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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#921 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:22 am

DarkHawk wrote:btw, I don't want it to come off like I'm coming here saying, "you have no shot so keep dreaming". I'm just giving you guys insight from what we have been hearing.

We had more faith about getting LeBron a week ago but it's starting to fade. Today the Suns supposedly met with LeBron and we'll know by tonight or tomorrow if we're a real option.

Nobody knows what 'plan B' will be though. Bledsoe appears to be the only sure thing.

Right, right. Always thought Parsons would be an awesome signing for you guys.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#922 » by Scoops » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:23 am

RRyder823 wrote:The problem is your assuming a top 5 pick is almost a lock while others around here don't think it is

Yeah that is the hang up. I think people are overrating the impact GA and JB will have. They're 19/20 years old. Not only are they starting but they're being asked to carry a ton of the load. How many teams starting 2 20 year olds haven't finished near the bottom of the league?

Trade Sanders to guarantee top 3 if you are that worried.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#923 » by WRau1 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:24 am

Max offer to Bledsoe so PHX matches, sign Dragic next season. L&E are so tricky.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#924 » by RRyder823 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:26 am

DarkHawk wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:It all comes down to Bledsoe.

If he truly wants to be in Milwaukee, it will happen.

I really think that's an oversimplification. I just don't see any real incentive for Phoenix to let him go.


While I don't think Bledsoe leaves Phoenix, years ago, Joe Johnson was adamant about leaving for the Hawks (when he was restricted as a Sun) and we actually gave in and did a sign and trade.
So it's certainly possible in the even Bledsoe demanded out. I still don't see it happening but it has been seen before fwiw.


I agree. Well said. Honestly it doesn't really matter till we'd be allowed to sign him to an offer sheet anyways. Anything that comes out before then is only speculation and the Suns most likely match in the end anyways. Fun to speculate sometimes and I could see us putting an offer out there just too take a shot in the dark on a Bledsoe level quality player and also too simply just put some pressure on the Suns.... Hell it's been done to us before
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#925 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:27 am

DarkHawk wrote:Suns fans think he'll become available only if we get LeBron (we realize it's extremely unlikely). Since the assumption we would need more room to add higher priced talent.


With significant cap space, the Bucks should be beneficiaries of this historic offseason in one way or another. Either by signing a secondary star like Bledsoe themselves, or by enabling other more attractive franchises to get the guys they want. Give us Len, Bennett, future picks, or something of that nature at least. With new, presumably much more competent ownership, it's our turn to manipulate the system, not get manipulated by the rest of the league.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#926 » by Scoops » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:31 am

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ampd wrote:Noone is assuming we have enough talent, thats why we'd be targeting Bledsoe.

Right, with Bledsoe people are assuming we can contend. I'd much rather watch our young guys play for a year, add another top 5 pick, and worry about adding Bledsoe level players in 2-3 years. Just because I can't look into the future and site specific players doesn't mean opportunities won't arise. Everyone here is acting like its now or nothing.


and what if we don't get a top 5 pick next year?

Then our youngins are absolute studs and we add a top 10 pick and worry about adding vet help in the upcoming off seasons.

What if GA and JB take their lumps in their first year starting/playing in the league and we can add another top 3 pick?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#927 » by RRyder823 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:35 am

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RRyder823 wrote:The problem is your assuming a top 5 pick is almost a lock while others around here don't think it is

Yeah that is the hang up. I think people are overrating the impact GA and JB will have. They're 19/20 years old. Not only are they starting but they're being asked to carry a ton of the load. How many teams starting 2 20 year olds haven't finished near the bottom of the league?

Trade Sanders to guarantee top 3 if you are that worried.


Your right that is where the hang up is. And while you think we're over valuing the possible contributions from Giannis and Parker next year I think your under valuing almost every other player on this roster. I don't think the Bucks were really 15 wins bad last year talent wise... It appears you do... I had the Bucks picked for about 30 wins last year and giving that fact I believe last years tank job was a result of the "perfect storm" that's been described before so if I have there talent level from last year pegged for 30 wins I don't think with natural development from our core players and better coaching that 35 wins out of the question.... You might not agree but that's where the divide is...

Also I hate the idea of trading Sanders going forward... As has been stated having an elite rim protecter is huge in this league and it only will become more valuable to us going forward with Jabari at PF
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Post#928 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:37 am

Bernman wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Suns fans think he'll become available only if we get LeBron (we realize it's extremely unlikely). Since the assumption we would need more room to add higher priced talent.


With significant cap space, the Bucks should be beneficiaries of this historic offseason in one way or another.


This is where Morway and Kidd have to shine, because I can't put my trust in Hammond. I just can't.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#929 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:38 am

Scoops wrote:Yeah that is the hang up. I think people are overrating the impact GA and JB will have. They're 19/20 years old. Not only are they starting but they're being asked to carry a ton of the load. How many teams starting 2 20 year olds haven't finished near the bottom of the league?

Trade Sanders to guarantee top 3 if you are that worried.


You're underrating it by classifying them as just another couple of 19-20 year olds. These aren't your typical 19-20 year olds. Jabari was regarded as the most NBA ready prospect in the draft, while Giannis the best player on our team by many last year before hitting the rookie wall hard. So I think they will have impact that will buoy the team significantly.

Also, now that the draft has passed and we couldn't make a logical deal for Sanders, we should keep him since his stock is low and he's a young enough guy still who can grow with the core, which he complements well to boot. Trading him now just for a hope that we finish at the very bottom again or win a lotto spot, in spite of solid young talent, is a bad gamble and asset management.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#930 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:38 am

SupremeHustle wrote:This is where Morway and Kidd have to shine, because I can't put my trust in Hammond. I just can't.

I wouldn't trust him with a dollar at a vending machine.
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Post#931 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:40 am

I also don't have blind trust in our new owners just because they poached someone else's coach and said the right things to the media. They have to prove it. I'm pulling for them though.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#932 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:42 am

SupremeHustle wrote:This is where Morway and Kidd have to shine, because I can't put my trust in Hammond. I just can't.


I hear ya, and feel more comfortable with them here now too, and the new owners, to complement Hammond. While I don't think Hammond could prove that he's a bad GM overall as a puppet of the previous meddlesome regime, listening to him talk doesn't exactly instill confidence in the negotiating aspect of the job. He might have some good trade and fa ideas, but it takes more than that to pull them off.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#933 » by MetroDrugUnit » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:44 am

If you give Hammond an unbreakable comb he'd give it back to you with teeth missing.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#934 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:47 am

MetroDrugUnit wrote:If you give Hammond an unbreakable comb he'd give it back to you with teeth missing.

He'd come back with a bag of magic beans.

Spoiler alert:
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#935 » by JayMKE » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:12 am

theFireBlanket wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:If the Bucks offered a 12-13 mil per year contract for Bledsoe and he accepted it, Phoenix would say 'thank you' and match.
All signs still point to the Suns matching regardless. There's even rumors that we're going to trade Dragic (that may be contingent on whether LeBron goes to Phoenix).


I'd take Dragic.


Dragic is 28, he really would be too old for our guys to win with.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#936 » by KidA24 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:16 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
MetroDrugUnit wrote:If you give Hammond an unbreakable comb he'd give it back to you with teeth missing.

He'd come back with a bag of magic beans.

Spoiler alert:
Spoiler:
They weren't actually magic beans, they were just beans.


Come on, he'd come back with a bag of beans, and an over the hill wing.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#937 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:20 am

JayMKE wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:If the Bucks offered a 12-13 mil per year contract for Bledsoe and he accepted it, Phoenix would say 'thank you' and match.
All signs still point to the Suns matching regardless. There's even rumors that we're going to trade Dragic (that may be contingent on whether LeBron goes to Phoenix).


I'd take Dragic.


Dragic is 28, he really would be too old for our guys to win with.


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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#938 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:23 am

Just cause Dragic played behind Nash in Phoenix does not make him Steve Nash.

It's not the rule that guys play well into their 30's, it's the exception.
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Post#939 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:25 am

I'd only add guys I'd want here in 7-8 years.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#940 » by ReddRum » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:28 am

Come on guys this is the Bucks. We saw the bid on Teague last summer and lost him. And now the same drama will happen with Bledsoe. Rinse and repeat. It's so frustrating being a Bucks fan - where the hott thing now is to throw money at restricted free agent - lol. As if we haven't been put through enough stress the past umpteen years. Be Milwaukee!


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