The Gordon Hayward Thread

MasterIchiro · Post #201 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:46 am

Something none of us have commented on yet is the possibility that adding Gordon Hayward to Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson makes us an even more attractive destination for potential free agents currently on the market.

It's possible in competing with the likes of the Celtics and Lakers and Suns and Mavericks for Lance Stephenson, we have to have an inviting situation in place.

Lance just played a major part on the top team in the East. And his agent has stated from the get-go it's not just about money, he wants to play for a contender or an up-and-coming team.

As far as Hayward goes, we're a major relief from the Jazz.

I think adding Hayward to the roster makes our pitch to Lance far more compelling.

HornetJail · Post #202 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:48 am

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:Hayward and Favors weren't spring chickens.

Favors was 22 last season.

In his 4th season tho. I see that as a certified vet. Can't be one of the worst teams in the league 4 years in as a top prospect. I like Favors but not Hayward. Hayward was holding him back. Lol jk. But to be serious Favors was the most valuable player on that team.

Favors was the only valuable player on the team. Burke played like rookie Kemba, Kanter just plain sucks and can't guard a lightpost, and Hayward is the most mediocre "stud" I've seen someone willing to pay $12M+ for.

mrknowitall215 · Post #203 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:50 am

Sik Infant wrote:Kyle Lowry played like an all-star whilst leading his team to the playoffs.

Kemba will have to be at that level to command that type of money imo.

Kemba has not shown that level of ability yet.

As long as GMs are allowed to give out contracts based on potential like they are currently trying to do with Hayward & Stephenson, Kemba's trajectory towards being a All-Star caliber player is light years ahead of where Lowry's was after his 3rd season in the NBA

HornetJail · Post #204 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:50 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Something none of us have commented on yet is the possibility that adding Gordon Hayward to Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson makes us an even more attractive destination for potential free agents currently on the market.

It's possible in competing with the likes of the Celtics and Lakers and Suns and Mavericks for Lance Stephenson, we have to have an inviting situation in place.

Lance just played a major part on the top team in the East. And his agent has stated from the get-go it's not just about money, he wants to play for a contender or an up-and-coming team.

As far as Hayward goes, we're a major relief from the Jazz.

I think adding Hayward to the roster makes our pitch to Lance far more compelling.

If Lance signing here was based off of bringing in Gordon Hayward, I'd trade Henderson, Zeller, and a protected 1st for Hayward, then sign Stephenson. Then I'd trade Hayward a couple months into the season, before the rest of the league realizes he's probably one of the 10 worst contracts in the league at $12M a year.

Post #205 » by **JDR720** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:55 am

you really dont like Gordon Hayward Biz lol

mrknowitall215 · Post #206 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:56 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Something none of us have commented on yet is the possibility that adding Gordon Hayward to Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson makes us an even more attractive destination for potential free agents currently on the market.

It's possible in competing with the likes of the Celtics and Lakers and Suns and Mavericks for Lance Stephenson, we have to have an inviting situation in place.

Lance just played a major part on the top team in the East. And his agent has stated from the get-go it's not just about money, he wants to play for a contender or an up-and-coming team.

As far as Hayward goes, we're a major relief from the Jazz.

I think adding Hayward to the roster makes our pitch to Lance far more compelling.

I don't think anyone would be lining up to play with 'Gordon Hayward' :lol:

...and then upon observing his possible contract with the Hornets, any player of significance would demand more money than Hayward before signing with Charlotte. After potentially signing Hayward to the financial standards he & his agent are seeking, the Hornets would have to enter heavy luxury tax land in order to get off the treadmill of 1st/2nd round knockouts and #4-8 seedings for the next half a decade at least

Elden Payton · Post #207 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:02 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Kyle Lowry played like an all-star whilst leading his team to the playoffs.

Kemba will have to be at that level to command that type of money imo.

Kemba has not shown that level of ability yet.

As long as GMs are allowed to give out contracts based on potential like they are currently trying to do with Hayward & Stephenson, Kemba's trajectory towards being a All-Star caliber player is light years ahead of where Lowry's was after his 3rd season in the NBA

Exactly, and the type of player that Kemba projects to be is worth about 10m per at max.

lmcguir5 · Post #208 » by **lmcguir5** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:09 am

Kemba is the face of our franchise so if you have to overpay a little to retain the identity of your franchise, then so be it. Teams without an identity or a player to liken them to, they dwell in the bottom of their respective franchises. If we let him walk our whole team could unravel.

Think about it like this. We let Kemba walk, the Hornets have no capable replacement for him and then Big Al sees a bad situation brewing so he declines his PO for the third year. Automatically, we're depending upon MKG to have retooled his shot and average 15 ppg or more and Vonleh will have to take considerable steps from there.

That's a doomsday scenario but I certainly wouldn't want to flirt with those series of events by being tight pocketed when paying the face of our franchise.

MasterIchiro · Post #209 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:10 am

I never said Hayward is the sole attraction for Lance. I said Kemba + Big Al + Gordon Hayward is more on par with the other situations/teams pitching to Lance.

LofJ · Post #210 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:14 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I never said Hayward is the sole attraction for Lance. I said Kemba + Big Al + Gordon Hayward is more on par with the other situations/teams pitching to Lance.

I think Kemba+ Big Al + MKG + having Hayward's hypothetical cap space available would be a bigger draw if I were Stephenson.

Elden Payton · Post #211 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:16 am

That's kind of the point though, if we're building around Kemba and paying him as such, then it's a doomsday scenario going forward anyway.

Kemba is an awesome player, his intangibles have intangibles and is embodiment of a winning attitude, however he is not the first or second option on a true contending team.

He has shot above 40 percent once in 3 seasons, he is ridiculously inefficient and doesn't have the playmaking skills to compensate.

I want Kemba to be our PG for the next 10 seasons, but his shot selection and efficiency has to improve for him to be anything more than our third option going forward.

Liver_Pooty · Post #212 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:19 am

Only our team would wine and dine a free agent and no one knows what happened.

Post #213 » by **JDR720** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:22 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Only our team would wine and dine a free agent and no one knows what happened.

Bonnell is probably sitting up in his million dollar condo sipping on some rum, watching Gilligan's Island and contemplating which negative comment he should use when a fan asks how the Gordon Hayward meeting went

catch20two · Post #214 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:25 am

I didn't think it was possible for any team outside of Utah because of their caucasian popularity to go with attachment of drafting him originally and Phoenix because of Hornacek would be willing to pay Hayward over 10M but here we are, the damn Hornets are interested. Lol smh. He had a less than Evan Turner if he woulda stayed with the bum ass Sixers inflated season with the bum ass Jazz and people acting like he's excellent and sh*t. Lol smh. Kemba had a better season under Dunlap than Hayward had last year. I'm not interested unless he coming for Hendo money.

MasterIchiro · Post #215 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:26 am

LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I never said Hayward is the sole attraction for Lance. I said Kemba + Big Al + Gordon Hayward is more on par with the other situations/teams pitching to Lance.

I think Kemba+ Big Al + MKG + having Hayward's hypothetical cap space available would be a bigger draw if I were Stephenson.

Well I think Hayward has more respect around the league. We have our star player recruiting him. I can't imagine an All-NBA player on another team recruiting MKG. Not yet at least.

LofJ · Post #216 » by **LofJ** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:31 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I never said Hayward is the sole attraction for Lance. I said Kemba + Big Al + Gordon Hayward is more on par with the other situations/teams pitching to Lance.

I think Kemba+ Big Al + MKG + having Hayward's hypothetical cap space available would be a bigger draw if I were Stephenson.

Well I think Hayward has more respect around the league. We have our star player recruiting him. I can't imagine an All-NBA player on another team recruiting MKG. Not yet at least.

Big Al is recruiting him because he played with him. And yeah no all nba player would recruit MKG yet, however I'm willing to bet that won't be the case 3 years from now.

MasterIchiro · Post #217 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 3:34 am

LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:
I think Kemba+ Big Al + MKG + having Hayward's hypothetical cap space available would be a bigger draw if I were Stephenson.

Well I think Hayward has more respect around the league. We have our star player recruiting him. I can't imagine an All-NBA player on another team recruiting MKG. Not yet at least.

Big Al is recruiting him because he played with him. And yeah no all nba player would recruit MKG yet, however I'm willing to bet that won't be the case 3 years from now.

Hayward is drawing major suitors and rumblings of max offers. NBA players consider him highly I'd imagine, including Lance. We have to fine tune our pitch. Kemba + Big Al + Hayward gives us our Big 3 for a small market team. We're competing with heavyweight orgs for Lance like the Celtics and Lakers. I don't care what anyone says, Hayward makes the team more attractive to current free agents and future ones as well.

Dancingpanda · Post #218 » by **Dancingpanda** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:07 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Only our team would wine and dine a free agent and no one knows what happened.

Laughed so hard at this :lol:

MasterIchiro · Post #219 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:10 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Only our team would wine and dine a free agent and no one knows what happened.

Bonnell and Cho need to be stranded together on a deserted island and broadcast live for a reality TV show.

Liver_Pooty · Post #220 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:11 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Only our team would wine and dine a free agent and no one knows what happened.

Bonnell and Cho need to be stranded together on a deserted island and broadcast live for a reality TV show.

Bonnell is too busy tweeting about the Josh Gordon-Hairston situation to look into Hayward I guess.