mopper8 wrote:Temuhjan wrote:mopper8 wrote:Not anymore.
Lebron's max + Shabazz, Cole, Birdman's rights, McBob, Granger, and 4 cap holds for an incomplete roster is already 33.6M. That leaves 29M for Wade/Bosh to split while leaving 0 dollars in cap space. For us to keep 7M of space after their contracts, they'd need to be splitting more like ~22M. Given the market for Bosh, even if he took a paycut and started at 15M, Wade would need to be making 7-8M in order for that to work.
Hey man, your numbers are way off. We are renouncing the cap holds for Birdman. And Granger is paid with an EXCEPTION. An exception means it does not count towards the salary cap. Get it?
Look, there is no point for everyone to opt out if they are re-signed at almost the same salary they started out with. Our Big 3 do it to give Riles the flexibility to put together a supporting cast. Now, let's get on with the job we started.
Honestly, it gets tiresome explaining things to you over and over.14. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries? What is cap room? What is a cap hold?
A team's cap room (referred to simply as "room" in the CBA) refers to its ability to sign players to free agent contracts. If a team is above the cap, then its room is limited to the exceptions it possesses. If the team is below the cap, then its room is how far it is below the cap when all salaries and cap holds are included. Cap holds are "placeholders" for players the team is expected to sign in the future. For example, a team is expected to sign its unsigned first round draft pick, so an amount is reserved for this signing in the form of a cap hold. A team $10 million below the cap with $4 million in cap holds really has $6 million in room. A team $5 million under the cap with $6 million in cap holds is not considered under the cap at all, and must use exceptions to sign players. The following are included in team salary:
Salaries of all active and inactive players, including likely bonuses.
The full season salary of any players the team acquires in midseason trades.
Salaries paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts, and subject to the Stretch provision (see question number 65).
Any salary still being paid to retired players (see question number 62).
A cap hold for amounts paid or expected to be paid in conjunction with certain grievances.
A cap hold for salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals). Note: During the July Moratorium (see question number 103), teams may not enter into verbal or written agreements. Therefore any agreements that are struck during the moratorium are still characterized as negotiations, and do not count toward team salary.
A cap hold for a percentage of the previous salary of every unrenounced free agent (see question number 38).
A cap hold for salaries offered in offer sheets to restricted free agents (see question number 44).
A cap hold for the "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first round draft pick(s) (see question number 51). This amount begins to apply to team salary immediately upon selection in the draft1. This amount can be excluded from the team salary for the current season if, before the season starts, the team and player agree in writing that the team will not sign the player during that season.
A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary2; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.
A cap hold for the combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 25) and trade exceptions (see question number 84) available to the team (see question number 26), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)
You don't get it. Everybody else implicitly understands that you either use SPACE or you use EXCEPTIONS but NOT BOTH. That's why people don't go to great lengths explaining the mechanism behind this every single time they do the math. But here is some math that is not "way off"
Cole @ 2 million + Napier (hold) @ 1 million + 10 incomplete roster charges at .5M each = 8 million. Subtract from 63.3M cap = 55M. Notice what is missing --> no holds for the exceptions! Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE THEM IF YOU USE SPACE. If we wanted to "keep" the exceptions, they would constitute additional holds on our cap, to the tune of 5.5 for the MLE and 2.2 for the LLE and possibly another 2.2 for the TPE, which adds up 7.7 or 9.9 M. Subtract from 55M and you get 45-47M, like I said.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14
Don't spout off like you know what you're talking about when you clearly don't.
Ok and my understanding is we can go over that 45M while bringing back your own players.
