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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#241 » by sunskerr » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:12 am

NaturalBuns wrote:If we want to sign a cheap stretch 4 what about Ryan Kelly?
Can keep dragic/Bledsoe screen game.

Close to a 10ppg guy after the allstar break.
Is young as well


At this point maybe the prescription could also be a couple hundred 3s per day for Markieff Morris.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#242 » by Kyler Murray » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:32 am

sunskerr wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:If we want to sign a cheap stretch 4 what about Ryan Kelly?
Can keep dragic/Bledsoe screen game.

Close to a 10ppg guy after the allstar break.
Is young as well


At this point maybe the prescription could also be a couple hundred 3s per day for Markieff Morris.


Don't wanna go that road again. He was beasting last year because he went inside far more than his first years where he settled for a lot of jump-shots. It's very valuable that he can hit the 3 (spacing, tougher match-up) but we need him to bang and bruise in the paint.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#243 » by Wormwood74 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:38 am

So we're letting Channing Frye walk. Think about what this means:

1. We're down to one true PF on the team (Markieff)
2. We let our best net +/- per 48 guy go, who also made Dragic much better on the court...
3. We don't have a stretch 4, but our offense demonstrably needs one (a lot), especially given has the range of a 100 lb shot put
4. We drafted a true PG
5. Letting Frye go creates enough cap space that we can sign a max FA, and absorb a max contract if we trade someone else away...
6. McD is a numbers guy, he knows exactly what letting Frye walk costs us in terms of on court performance

All of this makes sense if we're planning on trading Dragic or Bledsoe for Love, and we're planning on signing a max deal player like LeBron. Either McD is taking a huge risk (because what if those deals don't happen? Then we have a giant hole at PF, tons of unused cap space, and the team probably got worse) or he's pretty sure he's got some things lined up that are probably a done deal.

Given how quiet things have been, I think the insider rumors that the Suns have something HUGE lined up that makes us a ridiculous team to play against is probably true. A starting five of Plumlee, Love, LeBron, Green, and Bledsoe with a very deep bench is frightening.

At a minimum, I think we have a KLove deal in place. The moves don't make sense otherwise.
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2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#244 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:44 am

The reason I think we are still in Lebron contention is because Bledsoe hasn't even thought to sign offer sheets with other teams like the Bucks. There has to be a couple more teams interested in him. Bledsoe has stayed put. There's so much stuff going on behind the scenes, never has it been so quiet like this.


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#245 » by Frank Lee » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:47 am

nevetsov wrote:If LeBron has told us "if I sign, you need to acquire xxx, keep Bledsoe, don't care about that Dragic guy..." I'll have a really hard time rooting for him. He clearly has no idea when it comes to winning basketball strategy.

I would hope that he has learned that a high priced big 3 with no depth is not the way to a ring - that you need good players, sure, but the less you pay them, the more of those guys you can have. That's why I don't think he cares much to play with the other max guys. I would think if he had any brains at all, he'd be petitioning for "young, value" guys, like ......
same boat nev

Kicking Dragic out of the club? And he has the leverage to do it.... That's the sad thing if it is so. Tarnishes my perception of McDo/FO. Dragic came here willingly. And is 75% responsible for last yrs success. He was the team MVP. So let's just cast him off??? Without Goran, we would not be in this **** James circus.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#246 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:51 am

Staying the course might just be the next-best option to adding the world's best player. If James picks Cleveland or Miami, Carmelo Anthony picks New York or the Los Angeles Lakers, and Chris Bosh picks Miami or Houston, the Suns will have control of arguably the next-best free agent, Eric Bledsoe.

They also can keep most of their massive salary-cap space to be the biggest player if a star goes on the trade block this summer or during the upcoming season (you might have heard a thing or two about Kevin Love's rumored availability). If not, they remain a major trade player at next year's draft with three first-round picks and cap space, which could even be saved for 2015 free agency for Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kawhi Leonard or, ahem, Goran Dragic.

The Suns had a successful season, with many players developing into major roles for the first time and projected to grow more. The Western Conference is loaded, even with quality lottery teams. Automatic progress is no guarantee, especially after losing a key piece such as Channing Frye. But Markieff Morris had starter-quality results, except from the 3-point line, last season to reduce that hit, and Archie Goodwin's promising flashes and Alex Len's first healthy offseason bode well for some rotation boost.


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#247 » by Kyler Murray » Tue Jul 8, 2014 11:56 am

Yeah, might be one of few, but wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up with the same roster (with a Frye replacement). We can watch our players grow and see what we got with our 5 rookies-sophomores. We will be big FA players next year too.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#248 » by sunsbum » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:15 pm

I'm just ready for the decision 2.0 to be over with. I've got a ton of dumpsters to get to.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#249 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:21 pm

My source says something big could go down today. So hold on and get ready!
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#250 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:27 pm

I was thinking about a good replacement for Frye (other than the typical Love's option) and I really think that we have 2 very good options:

Ryan Anderson. He is younger and he is even a better deadly three point shooter. He can not play center, and he is slightly worse defending in the paint than Frye but he is a decent rebounder and has a good basquetball IQ.
He has 2 years left in his contract, $8'5M and $8'5M.
With Asik now on their team, and Jason Smith capable of playing minutes at PF, I think he can be available via trade.

Luol Deng. I know that he has play SF a lot of years, but in our system he would be a fantastic PF. He can defend the post like the Morris brothers o even better and he has good size and strengh. He can play like an stretch 4 and he can go out and running on fast breaks. I would sign him around $42M/4 years.
He can always be a trade option later if he does not fit well, but I think he is a true professional that will play with a lot of heart and desire, and his skill set is very good.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#251 » by King4Day » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:40 pm

If we continue the rebuild route, I'm sure Alec Brown will see some minutes this year.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#252 » by sunsbum » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:My source says something big could go down today. So hold on and get ready!
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#253 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:16 pm

DarkHawk wrote:If we continue the rebuild route, I'm sure Alec Brown will see some minutes this year.


I thought he was playing in Europe?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#254 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:25 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:If we continue the rebuild route, I'm sure Alec Brown will see some minutes this year.


I thought he was playing in Europe?

Yes.

Coro today:
Brown, a second-round pick, is expected to play in Europe
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#255 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:25 pm

Saberestar wrote:I was thinking about a good replacement for Frye (other than the typical Love's option) and I really think that we have 2 very good options:

Ryan Anderson. He is younger and he is even a better deadly three point shooter. He can not play center, and he is slightly worse defending in the paint than Frye but he is a decent rebounder and has a good basquetball IQ.
He has 2 years left in his contract, $8'5M and $8'5M.
With Asik now on their team, and Jason Smith capable of playing minutes at PF, I think he can be available via trade.

Luol Deng. I know that he has play SF a lot of years, but in our system he would be a fantastic PF. He can defend the post like the Morris brothers o even better and he has good size and strengh. He can play like an stretch 4 and he can go out and running on fast breaks. I would sign him around $42M/4 years.
He can always be a trade option later if he does not fit well, but I think he is a true professional that will play with a lot of heart and desire, and his skill set is very good.


Ryan Anderson yes. Luol Deng not really, but maybe Thibs had something to do with that, or maybe playing in Hornacek's system he could get his 3 pt % up.

Look at his 3 pt % over the last 2 years. Prior to that he was a little better, and 4-5 years ago he was really good, shooting 38.6% one year and 40% one year. If he could get back to those levels, that's better than Frye. But shooting 31-32% like that last two years scares me a bit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... glu01.html

The question is, can he get back to those levels? With two slashing point guards, it might make more sense. And maybe the dip in the last two years has a lot to with Rose out and no good pg penetrating. Maybe that tells us a lot. If that's the case, maybe I should revise my thinking on Deng.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#256 » by SunsFanSSOL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:35 pm

Just noticed that PJ hinted he was coming back on Instagram.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#257 » by NTB » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:36 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Just noticed that PJ hinted he was coming back on Instagram.


How?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#258 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:36 pm

Ulquiorra wrote:Yeah, might be one of few, but wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up with the same roster (with a Frye replacement). We can watch our players grow and see what we got with our 5 rookies-sophomores. We will be big FA players next year too.

I'm fine with staying the course, dropping Markief into Frye's role, but keeping the inside toughness he showed last season.

We could always run Marcus at the four in the second unit, and use him as a stretch four. He shot pretty well from three last season. Len has decent range, although I have no idea if that range goes to the three, but he could be used in pick and pop situations.

Funny, but I saw Brian Cook playing in the summer league. I guess he figured that some team needs a stretch big. I'm guessing we pick him up for cheap.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#259 » by SunsFanSSOL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:38 pm

NTB wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:Just noticed that PJ hinted he was coming back on Instagram.


How?


He posted a pic of some Kobe 9's that Nike sent him and said in the caption "Gotta save the purple elites for the season."

So either he's staying or he's going to the Lakers or Hornets.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#260 » by SSOL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:40 pm

Cavs posted a picture on instagram saying "WelcomeHomeKingJames" but it was deleted.

EDIT: NM it was a hoax

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