MeloDrama Part VI

suicidedeuce · Post #2481 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:58 pm

don't panac wrote:some posters are acting like it's a given that melo for the supermax is good for the knicks.

Its not a supermax, it's his max, and no, no one is.

No rebuild method will be a sure thing. Each path is fraught with obstacles and imperfections and uncertainties and good fortune and luck will be required.

This included rebuilding around a maxed Melo. Not a perfect option. Not a sure thing by any means.

Okay, there. Its on record.

So stop with the hyperbole and the strawmen.

omerome · Post #2482 » by **omerome** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:58 pm

jonny31623 wrote:CARLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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My sources say that something is going to happen before the end of summer. Stay tuned for details.

Post #2483 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:59 pm

Mr Rabbit wrote:Cliff notes on what went down in this thread since this morning? No way in hell I'm reading 30+ pages if something major didn't happen.

Nobody knows anything. Not even Carl.

suicidedeuce · Post #2484 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:59 pm

Moose wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:

Is this serious? You asked if we can rebuild without the 2016 pick. And I said yes. Pages back already.

I didn't ask you if you can. I asked you if it's a major impediment or not?

Yes or no?

The response:

Moose wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:Knicks no longer own the 2016 pick. Is a proper rebuild even an option at this point?

Yes.

So your answer is no. Not having a draft pick isn't problematic when want to build through the draft.

Fair enough.

Moose · Post #2485 » by **Moose** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:00 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
Hyperbole is a last resort. Surely you know what.

Can you just acknowledge NOT having a 2016 draft pick is a major impediment to a rebuild through the draft plan.

Anyone confident should be able to answer than question directly without trying to qualify it with hyperbole.

This coming from the person who said we can't rebuild because we don't have a 2016 pick...but also says draft picks, the lottery pick of MCD, and young prospects like Mirotic are sh*t.

Really?

You can't answer a fair, direct question and you now you're making things up?

And then this. Not making things up:

suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:
And if we S&T Melo to the bulls for 3 firsts: sac pick, cavs swap, another first rounder, a second rounder, mirotic, and mcd, would you feel different?

Not in the least.

Do you see a franchise player there anywhere? I don't.

Marty McFly · Post #2486 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:00 pm

basically, i think riles needs to net a big fish to bring lebron back, he doesn't do that, i think lebron bolts for cleveland, i think it's possible that melo joins him there. if he really wants to win he'd want to play with lebron.

god shammgod · Post #2487 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:00 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Brooklyn_Yards wrote:The last few FA summers and when the "big fish" signed.
July 8th 2010 Bosh, Wade and Lebron made the decision
July 6th 2012 Deron WIlliams re-signed with the Nyets.
July 6th 2013 DH signed with Rockets.

If a decision is not made today, ban Capn'O.

If a decision is made today, ban TheGarden and his spin-offs.

well damn

MKCATL · Post #2488 » by **MKCATL** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:00 pm

GONYK wrote:
MKCATL wrote:You really have to wonder if a S&T is trying to be worked out at the moment. Moving Amare to aquire Boozer so we don't go into luxury tax?

We aren't moving Amare to acquire Boozer

The only reason i would bring that up is to get more assets from Chicago, Amare is not in our long term plans, if we could move Amare and in the process to obtain more assets from Chicago for taking Boozer could make some sense.

blueNorange · Post #2489 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:01 pm

Post #2490 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:01 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Brooklyn_Yards wrote:The last few FA summers and when the "big fish" signed.
July 8th 2010 Bosh, Wade and Lebron made the decision
July 6th 2012 Deron WIlliams re-signed with the Nyets.
July 6th 2013 DH signed with Rockets.

If a decision is not made today, ban Capn'O.

If a decision is made today, ban TheGarden and his spin-offs.

Ban both of us either way.

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #2491 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:01 pm

Marty McFly wrote:basically, i think riles needs to net a big fish to bring lebron back, he doesn't do that, i think lebron bolts for cleveland, i think it's possible that melo joins him there. if he really wants to win he'd want to play with lebron.

Lala in Cleveland?

sol537 · Post #2492 » by **sol537** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

who will be the realgm'er who posts the inevitable "*Breaking News*: Carmelo Chooses _______" thread?

that's what I'm waiting for. F5 away, folks!

tim2nyy · Post #2493 » by **tim2nyy** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

JayKnicKz11 wrote:

I can't.

Post #2494 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

Am I the only one who can barely get this thread to open? It's way over on pages. Time for thread VII

ag3 · Post #2495 » by **ag3** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

Literally, no news at all today. None.
The last 40 pages are about nothing.

suicidedeuce · Post #2496 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

Moose wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:

This coming from the person who said we can't rebuild because we don't have a 2016 pick...but also says draft picks, the lottery pick of MCD, and young prospects like Mirotic are sh*t.

Really?

You can't answer a fair, direct question and you now you're making things up?

And then this. Not making things up:

suicidedeuce wrote:
Moose wrote:
And if we S&T Melo to the bulls for 3 firsts: sac pick, cavs swap, another first rounder, a second rounder, mirotic, and mcd, would you feel different?

Not in the least.

Do you see a franchise player there anywhere? I don't.

So to you, not seeing a franchise player in that group means they're all sh*t?

Not franchise = sh*t?

Post #2497 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:I definitely disagree with the idea that we can't do a traditional rebuild because we lack a 2016 pick. 1 pick is not make or break to that strategy working. If you got the top pick in the draft in 2015 and there's a surefire stud available, you'd be well on your way.

The fact that picks are hard to turn into great players kind of weighs against suicide's argument. 1 pick is not a huge piece of the overall puzzle.

Waitaminute.

So picks are hard to turn into great players?

Doesn't that reasoning apply to 2015?

Isn't that an argument against trying rebuild through the draft?

It is *an* argument against building through the draft. But it's not an argument that means building through the draft, and with cap space, is doomed to fail.

And not having a pick in one year certainly does not foreclose that as a viable path. What you'd essentially be saying is that the Spurs drafting Cory Joseph or James Anderson, or the Thunder/Sonics drafting Saer Sene, should have meant that their ability to contend was derailed. But we know that to not be the case.

jonny31623 · Post #2498 » by **jonny31623** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:02 pm

omerome wrote:
jonny31623 wrote:CARLLLLLLLLLLLLL

PLEASE GIVE US 1 MORE PIECE OF NEWWSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASEEEEEEEE DONT LEAVE US LIKE THISSSSS

dammit, being a knick fan is stressful

My sources say that something is going to happen before the end of summer. Stay tuned for details.

GIFSoup

Post #2499 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:04 pm

ag3 wrote:Literally, no news at all today. None.
The last 40 pages are about nothing.

Like Seinfeld.

Post #2500 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:04 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
Brooklyn_Yards wrote:The last few FA summers and when the "big fish" signed.
July 8th 2010 Bosh, Wade and Lebron made the decision
July 6th 2012 Deron WIlliams re-signed with the Nyets.
July 6th 2013 DH signed with Rockets.

If a decision is not made today, ban Capn'O.

If a decision is made today, ban TheGarden and his spin-offs.

well damn

Look, somebody needs to be banned here. I'm willing to take the fall.

BAN CAPN'O!!!