SVG and the "Stretch 4"

[Entourage27]

Everyone on this board just automatically assumes that Monroe and Smith will be gone and we will have a stretch 4 starting for us next season. I think all that is bull. Yeah he had Rashard Lewis start the 4 at Orlando and he fit quite well next to Dwight and was a very well respected and thought out scheme that saw quite a bit of success but that was just one of his teams.

When SVG coached Miami his main 3 big men he used were Shaq, Haslem, and Alonzo Mourning. None of those guys scream "Stretch Bigs", granted he did have Christian Laettner but looking back at the ECF game 7 Miami vs Detroit Laettner played 0 mins and Haslem, Mourning, and Shaq took every big man minute.

SVG is not Mike Dantoni. He does not stick to one scheme and live and die by it. He finds what's best for the team and takes all situations/schemes into account. Can their be a stretch big added to the bench? Yeah that would make sense as I can see Stan wanting one to use in certain points of the game but I believe he thinks he has that already with Jerebko as I think his minutes and role will certainly be a lot more than last year as he can play next to either Monroe or Drummond.

What do you guys think?

[Notanoob]

You're exactly right that he is not religiously attached to playing a stretch 4.

The fact is that there aren't a lot of quality stretch 4s in the league. Most have slow releases and/or are total liabilities at essentially everything else.

We are not going to dump Monroe and Smith just because they aren't stretch 4s, especially if there isn't a readily available replacement for them.

[ImHeisenberg]

Everyone on this board just automatically assumes that Monroe and Smith will be gone and we will have a stretch 4 starting for us next season.

Everyone?

I think it is asinine how many assume what SVG's offensive scheme will be. But, not everybody believes that.

If you take the time to watch SVG's sloan conference panel interviews, he stated that you have to design the offensive around your team's strengths.

[tetris]

We need to move heaven and earth to find a power forward that compliments Drummond's (nonexistent) post game.

[HotelVitale]

Everyone on this board just automatically assumes that Monroe and Smith will be gone and we will have a stretch 4 starting for us next season.

Everyone?
I think it is asinine how many assume what SVG's offensive scheme will be. But, not everybody believes that.
If you take the time to watch SVG's sloan conference panel interviews, he stated that you have to design the offensive around your team's strengths.

I second Heisenberg. But I also haven't seen almost anyone on this board say we'll be dumping both Smith and Monroe for some stretch 4 to be named later. First, it doesn't make any sense since there aren't any available right now at comparable level of those two together, and second few coaches are stupid enough to impose a template on a team that doesn't fit it. Before we do any of that, Drummond needs to show he can be an offensive focal point and an anchor on D, and we have to see if anyone else can make a leap into high-level efficiency this year. After that we can start thinking about shuffling the roster around our strengths.

[ImHeisenberg]

few coaches are stupid enough to impose a template on a team that doesn't fit it.

Mike D'Antoni says hello!

But I agree across the board, HV. Good post.

[whitehops]

I'm not trying to make or prove a point or anything but the game has changed so much in the past 9 years - the players SVG had back then should have little bearing on what his roster decisions will look like now.

PS OP, why would you make a title named 'the stretch 4' and then use two centers as part of your argument? SVG had multiple power forwards when he was with the heat that could stretch the floor: haslem (baseline 15 footer, better than nothing), odom, Antoine walker.

having a stretch four on your team isn't so much a preference of coaches as it is a necessity now.

[Ghost]

I made a poll about the PF position and only like 5 people voted that they believed that someone not named Monroe or Smith would be starting for us next season. So, I don't think that dumping both for a stretch-4 is really in everyone's mind but I'll throw up a thread real soon that I have been thinking about...

[theBigLip]

What I'd like to happen and what I think will happen are two different things. I would like to trade Josh Smith but that won't happen. I would like to trade Monroe if it brought us back a near All Star caliber SF, but again, I don't think it will happen.

What I think will happen is that we match a Monroe offer, and he and Smith are on our roster to start next season. Monroe's offer will come after LBJ and Melo decide where they are going. The "losing" teams will still have a big wad of cash, and they will be looking around, and realize Monroe is the next best free agent out there.

[Entourage27]

I didn't mean every single poster on the board wants to get rid of Monroe and Smith for a stretch 4 obviously. We all know that a vast majority would love for that to happen. Or to at least move one of them for one. You know how many S&T deals I see Monroe for Ryan Anderson? It's unbelievable how many people don't see that trade as one of the biggest rip offs we could ever do. Monroe will be an All Star one day, his game is as unique as it gets. He can pass about as good as Pau Gasol, score down low as good as Zbo, and has a high IQ. He can create his own down low and really bail us out when things get tough in the half court. Not to mention he's also a premier rebounder. Giving a guy like that up for a guy like Ryan Anderson is just ubsurd. Which goes back to my point on SVG not being blind as he can see all the things I can see and his words want Monroe to stay here anyway possible and I believe in what he says. I don't think it's just a smoke screen.

And white hops I view monroe as a PF who can play C. Alonzo was a PF/C during those times as he could play next to Shaq or Haslem. The title of the thread was about people wanting to bring in a stretch 4 which I believe is redundant. Also why else would I mention Jerebko? He isn't a stretch 4 SVG could use? Another thing is yeah Haslem could hit that 15 foot jumpshot but if monroe stays what part of his game do you think he will work on? My best guess is SVG will advise him to work on that 15 footer.

[The Penguin]

What I'd like to happen and what I think will happen are two different things. I would like to trade Josh Smith but that won't happen. I would like to trade Monroe if it brought us back a near All Star caliber SF, but again, I don't think it will happen.

What I think will happen is that we match a Monroe offer, and he and Smith are on our roster to start next season. Monroe's offer will come after LBJ and Melo decide where they are going. The "losing" teams will still have a big wad of cash, and they will be looking around, and realize Monroe is the next best free agent out there.

With the Magic signing Frye the only two teams that worry me on the Monroe front are the Cavs and Lakers.

Phoenix has Len/the Morrisi/Plumlee and I don't think they go with another big who can't shoot. He doesn't really fit Philly's MO as he's not that much of an asset once he signs the deal and they value their flexibility. Portland, Orlando, Washington, New Orleans made their moves. Atlanta wants to run 5 shooters.

If the Lakers lose out on Melo (or Lebron) then I imagine they'll stick with shorter contracts much like last years team, but there's a chance they could just make offers to young guys. If the Cavs lose out on Lebron they've got a whole bunch of cap space, an owner who likely wouldn't mind sticking one to the Pistons and a need for a starting center.


I really want Stan to dump Jerebko/Bynum/Datome's contracts and give Parsons an offer sheet while the Rockets are waiting for a Melo/Bosh resolution.

[DetroitSho]

I think people have been perverted into believing the PF position is something that it truly isn't. And if you don't this gimmicky fella bombing 3's and doing nothing else, that you're somehow lacking. People call any PF that can shoot even just from the midrange a Stretch 4, when in fact that's just a POWER FORWARD. I don't get it.

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[Billl]

"Everyone on this board just automatically assumes that Monroe and Smith will be gone and we will have a stretch 4 starting for us next season."

Way to make up a strawman and then argue against it. There is a poll a couple threads down and 90% of posters expected either smith or monroe to be the starting PF.

[epheisey]

I mentioned this in another thread. It seems like a number of people have continually brought up our supposed "need" for a PF who can shoot the 3. We signed Gray and a lot of people started crying about how Jorts is likely gone and we needed his 3pt shooting. The Ryan Anderson love on this board is also just as ridiculous in my opinion. If we can get solid 3pt shooting from our 1 through 3 players, we won't need a "stretch" PF. If Monroe/Smith can hit a 12-18 ft shot, that will provide adequate spacing.

I get what you're saying though. It does seem like a lot of people assumed that when SVG arrived, and talked up Drummond, that the Pistons would automatically adopt the 1 big in, 4 shooters out gameplan, despite the fact that our roster in no way shape or form supported that type of play. I've always opposed that style, because I've always favored a team that can beat you up down low. All it takes is one series where a top shooter or two get into a funk, and then the team is knocked out. A down low game is much more consistent and reliable IMO.

[DetroitSho]

I mentioned this in another thread. It seems like a number of people have continually brought up our supposed "need" for a PF who can shoot the 3. We signed Gray and a lot of people started crying about how Jorts is likely gone and we needed his 3pt shooting. The Ryan Anderson love on this board is also just as ridiculous in my opinion. If we can get solid 3pt shooting from our 1 through 3 players, we won't need a "stretch" PF. If Monroe/Smith can hit a 12-18 ft shot, that will provide adequate spacing.

I get what you're saying though. It does seem like a lot of people assumed that when SVG arrived, and talked up Drummond, that the Pistons would automatically adopt the 1 big in, 4 shooters out gameplan, despite the fact that our roster in no way shape or form supported that type of play. I've always opposed that style, because I've always favored a team that can beat you up down low. All it takes is one series where a top shooter or two get into a funk, and then the team is knocked out. A down low game is much more consistent and reliable IMO.

Great post

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[GreekAlex]

I really want Stan to dump Jerebko/Bynum/Datome's contracts and give Parsons an offer sheet while the Rockets are waiting for a Melo/Bosh resolution.

Sounds great but what team with cap space will take on those three without an asset connected to the package?

Am I missing something?

[GreekAlex]

I mentioned this in another thread. It seems like a number of people have continually brought up our supposed "need" for a PF who can shoot the 3. We signed Gray and a lot of people started crying about how Jorts is likely gone and we needed his 3pt shooting. The Ryan Anderson love on this board is also just as ridiculous in my opinion. If we can get solid 3pt shooting from our 1 through 3 players, we won't need a "stretch" PF. If Monroe/Smith can hit a 12-18 ft shot, that will provide adequate spacing.

I get what you're saying though. It does seem like a lot of people assumed that when SVG arrived, and talked up Drummond, that the Pistons would automatically adopt the 1 big in, 4 shooters out gameplan, despite the fact that our roster in no way shape or form supported that type of play. I've always opposed that style, because I've always favored a team that can beat you up down low. All it takes is one series where a top shooter or two get into a funk, and then the team is knocked out. A down low game is much more consistent and reliable IMO.

Agreed... I always say I'd prefer a better compliment for Andre at PF but in no way does that mean a "Stretch 4".

[Pharaoh]

May I present the following stretch 4s:

Josh Smith - takes far too many 3s.

Jonas Jerebko - apparently has been putting in a lot of work this off-season

Luigi Datome - depending on match ups he might be able to play some 4

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[Revived]

Does Monroe have no range on his jumpers or is he just not a 3pt shooter?