MeloDrama 6.5: The Prelude

[KnicksManiac]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

[moocow007]

Hmmmm they used to be the favorites.......

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mcten/status/486571399889162242[/tweet]

[god shammgod]

Who cares about Felton? Why is he being brought up?

because f*ck a thread title. i'm gonna do me.

[Capn'O]

this every other season sucking fat motherf*cker and tyson's tender-dick ass sandbagged our season. It's exactly why we're in this position right now.

Sandbaggin'

[Jalen Bluntson]

Knicks president Phil Jackson has talked to multiple teams in recent days -– including the Philadelphia 76ers –- about moving Amar’e Stoudemire in an effort to clear more cap space this summer, sources say. ESPN.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_yor ... KmIcA.dpuf

Knicks president Phil Jackson has talked to multiple teams in recent days -– including the Philadelphia 76ers –- about moving Amar’e Stoudemire in an effort to clear more cap space this summer, sources say. ESPN.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_yor ... KmIcA.dpuf

Carl???

The Philly rumors have been around for days. Well before Carl came here.

You guys need to chill out and just let things happen. It is obvious the news in here gets into the media and to the NBA. Making a big stink over it could potentially damage things!

[moocow007]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

Anthony apparently believed/said that he must have Gibson. Probably a sign that he: 1. didn't trust Rose is fine, 2. didn't want to be a PF again. 3. Thought he needed all the defensive help he can get.

[spl3nda]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

I thought that had to do with the fact Melo informed them that he wanted Gibson on the team if he were to sign with them? I could be mistaken since my name is not Carl.

[sol537]

Hey Carl...

[F N 11]

6.5? Thanks guys. We end up with Jimmer now.

[ag3]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

I think if the Bulls told Melo right from the beginning that they would trade Gibson and offer him 4yrs. at $20 mil per, Melo would already be a Chicago Bull.

[K_ick_God]

If I had a dime for every time Felton wanted to prove he could still play, I'd have 30 cents.

btw, unless I misremember, Raymond Felton was once the 5th pick in an NBA draft.

Once upon a time, some fans just like us were all excited about Ray Felton and how he was going to be the steal of the lottery and couldn't wait to see him debut in summer league.

If that doesn't send a chill down the backs of you rebuild through the draft guys, then you're beyond help.

The numbers do support that picks, even high lottery picks, are a crap shoot. But that 50-50 type crap shoot is desirable compared to the 0% payoff we've seen from the Knicks over the last 20 years. Even if that's a partly emotional argument, it's understandable and it's also not a completely irrational approach either.

For instance, we could have had Aldridge and Noah right now but instead we went for the sure things, Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford.

I think people need to try hard to separate approach and execution.

The Knicks failures could entirely be a product of a lack of execution rather than a failed philosophy.

Eddy Curry was a ridiculous reach. Crawford, unless I misremember, was an MLE signing with in NO way should have been regarded as a core acquisition. It was just billed at such to a hungry fanbase on a team that didn't have the means to do anything else.

I agree with you on philosophy versus execution. But Jamal was traded using expirings and picks. About 7M per year I think.

[KnicksManiac]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

Anthony apparently believed/said that he must have Gibson. Probably a sign that he: 1. didn't trust Rose is fine, 2. didn't want to be a PF again. 3. Thought he needed all the defensive help he can get.

I guess I missed the memo on Taj Gibson being a difference-maker. He can be replaced.

[cubanKnick]

At least we know the holdup isn't Melo's wife, it's his boyfriend Lebron.

I don't get it why is Melos decision based on Lebron if this guy Carl says Melo is not going to Miami and that their game overlap each others, this guy has contradicted himself at ever corner......wtf

[moocow007]

Question right now is which one of these new posters is Berman, which one is Isola, which one is Broussard and which one is Woja-whatever.

[K_ick_God]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

Leaving Melo with Rose, him, Noah, Butler -- pretty thin. How is he winning a title with that team.

[NewYorkPride85]

Knicks president Phil Jackson has talked to multiple teams in recent days -– including the Philadelphia 76ers –- about moving Amar’e Stoudemire in an effort to clear more cap space this summer, sources say. ESPN.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_yor ... KmIcA.dpuf

Knicks president Phil Jackson has talked to multiple teams in recent days -– including the Philadelphia 76ers –- about moving Amar’e Stoudemire in an effort to clear more cap space this summer, sources say. ESPN.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_yor ... KmIcA.dpuf

Carl???

Lol, no I'm not Carl. I'm just posting stuff I'm finding as I see them. (Although I wish I were as connected as him so I wouldn't have to stalk these boards 24/7)

[moocow007]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

Anthony apparently believed/said that he must have Gibson. Probably a sign that he: 1. didn't trust Rose is fine, 2. didn't want to be a PF again. 3. Thought he needed all the defensive help he can get.

I guess I missed the memo on Taj Gibson being a difference-maker. He can be replaced.

Hey just go with it.

[Greenie]

Didn't you say building through the draft (and also through cap space by extension) was a bad idea because we don't have a 2016 pick?

I avoid absolutes, is where this is going.

Yes, I think a draft rebuild is a WORSE idea than a Melo at the max rebuild.

But I rarely say anything is certain or impossible.

Yes, the Knicks could get the second coming of Jordan in 2015. I still think new-Jordan could use a good wing man so not having a 2016 pick is in NO way a good thing, but I'm not ruling anything out.

I just think ANYONE putting weight in the $4m between Melo at the max in 2015 and melo at what people want his salary to be ALSO have to acknowledge 2015 is significantly worse than 2015 and 2016.

Harping over one and glossing over the other seems ridiculously dishonest.

It's probably a coin flip between the two, and largely based on luck to the point where predicting either one is difficult or a waste of time.

I will say that getting the sure thing appeals to me intuitively, and then I look at the Knicks' history -- largely built on securing the sure thing, and paying that sure thing Max money -- and compare it to the other teams ... and we're definitely below average in terms of the success of our team building. But that could just be bad luck lol.

The Heat right now is a lesson in securing the sure thing too. The Celtics more or less did the same thing a decade ago and it worked.

[ag3]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

Anthony apparently believed/said that he must have Gibson. Probably a sign that he: 1. didn't trust Rose is fine, 2. didn't want to be a PF again. 3. Thought he needed all the defensive help he can get.

I guess I missed the memo on Taj Gibson being a difference-maker. He can be replaced.

Bulls fans think Taj Gibson is an all star, must have player. He is a solid role player and nothing else.
Severely over-rated by Bulls fans.

[suicidedeuce]

But Jamal was traded using expirings and picks. About 7M per year I think.

Thanks for the correction.