Moose wrote:greenhughes wrote:Moose wrote:
We still have our 2015 pick (which obviously will be a lottery pick if we lose Melo). And my plan is the S&T with Chicago and get as many assets as we can and send out JR Smith for extra cap space.
At this point, we will have a ton of a cap room for the off-season, a lottery pick (hopefully top 5), and another good pick (and Sac's pick could be 11-15 or pushed to next season). Plus we can get the Bulls pick in 2015 or 2016. I prefer 2015 because it can be swapped (although protected) with the Cavs pick.
Young assets/players:
THJ
Early
Greek Freak
MCD
Mirotic
Larkin
Tyler
Shump (who may not come back to clear cap space for two max contracts)
2015 lottery pick
2015 Sac pick
2015 pick (swap eligible)
Second round picks.
Vet player: Calderon
I am not saying we are going to win a title over night, but with Phil now able to build the team in his vision, I am more than okay with going this route. Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.
Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.
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And I shouldn't have used the word sh*t, but you did say "not in the least". So to me, that means you don't even think that is close to being anything decent.
I didn't get a chance to respond to you before, so I will now.
First, don't be a jackass when I simply stated a fact. We did in fact have both young players and cap space going into 2010....young players who were regarded at much higher levels than McD, the euro, Shump, Timmy and Larkin. So keep it cute.
Second, established star players prefer to go to teams that are ready to win right away. Maybe not championship ready, but at least a good playoff run ready.
That team you posted is nowhere near ready to compete even for a playoff spot. How do you plan on attracting "stars" with that? If free agency is the route we take Melo is more of an asset than you think or are willing to accept.
Your scenario is for the full rebuild and your willing to dig in with years of losing, because that team is gonna lose and lose ugly. With that in mind, missing the 2016 pick is beyond a huge problem as that will in fact be a lottery pick....it's just two years away.
Your rebuild plan is better suited for us to start after Phil leaves which will be 5 years from now and hopefully we will possess ALL of our picks in consecutive succession so that we have a steady flow of young prospects rated decently coming into the NBA.
Your plan is not wrong. It has kinks, but it's not wrong.
That being said Phil is not here to rebuild from the ground up. He was brought here to keep and build around Melo and you need to put your foot on what I'm saying because it is no lie. Phil is 70 years old with a 5 year contract, this is about winning now. With this team as constructed, you do in fact need to keep Melo at all costs. He is the key for recruiting free agents to come here in the next few years. The difference between having Melo on your team recruiting to not having a Melo here to recruit is the difference between your big free agent signings being Gordan and Frye or your free agent signings be Gasol.
I would have to do the math again, but I believe we won't be able to offer a max contract (or close to it) if melo is making his max with proper raises.
I think if he makes 20 mill next season, we would be close to being able to offer the max to someone like Gasol.
Again, we really need someone to break it down for us without the mistakes that I may have made.
We should have or at least close to it.
No one can break it down properly due to the fact that we don't know how much the cap will be.
It's also a lot easier(not a given) for a player to leave a little money on the table knowing they are joining a star already in place. If Melo take a little(again, not a given) less then you would have a little more room as well.
Also who's to say JR and Jose will even be here by next off-season if Melo is here?
That's even more room.
