Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Newz]

1. Chances of landing in the top 5 next year are very slim if Giannis and Parker are any good. If they aren't any good, the team is screwed regardless, and probably heading to Seattle.

I cannot believe people are posting stuff like this. The expectations by people on this forum for Giannis and Jabari are going to get so high that there will be no chance but to be let down by them this upcoming season.

Odds are very, very, very, very, VERY high that neither of these guys will be very valuable players next year. Hall of Fame, top 10 all-time type talents like LeBron, Durant and KG weren't even that good when they were 19 years old.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

so if we had his rights we wouldn't have to worry about giving him the max to keep him? that's your argument? seriously? half the teams in this league would max him right now if they could!!!!!

Half the teams in the league can't max him though. This is why I'm not sure if you understand what you are talking about. You need that pesky "cap room" in order to do that.

what team with max room after LeBron and Carmelo sign... WONT max him?

whether its us or somebody else.... he WILL get the max somewhere. theres absolutely no doubt about that in my mind from whats been printed.

anyway... you think this is pointless and so do I. we aren't going to get him.... I just cant believe there are fans of this team that don't want him when just 1 year ago, the same fans were throwing a bloody murder tantrum that we somehow didn't acquire him when the clippers had him for sale.

[Scoops]

What does having new owners have to do with Larry's play on the court?

[cinematographer]

So,

No more Larry Drew

The 2nd Overall pick, who, per his supporters, is ready to step in immediately and contribute close to if not more than 20 points per game.

Giannis' development

Brandon "Not a PG" Knight being moved off the ball

Khris Middleton being an incredible shooter

Larry being one of the best defenders of this decade.

How is this team terrible? I'm shocked anyone who loved Jabari and hated Drew could think we'll be historically bad again. If there's an adjustment period with Kidd, okay, but that's getting no talk here.

There are perfectly valid concerns about a Bledsoe/Giannis/Jabari fit. None are great shooters (yet) and Bledsoe getting run probably keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands to the point I'd rather have GA come off the bench.

But unless Kidd is Drew, we're already a great deal better than last season before any Bledsoe acquisition. Bringing him in at the max doesn't even hurt, as we aren't getting Kawhi next year and the cap is going up to 80m in 2016-17.

If you don't want Bledsoe, at least don't want him for fit concerns. None of this Woelfel-level hate for Larry -- which advanced metrics don't support -- or the we just aren't good thing. We're already out of the cellar: what's the opportunity cost here? It's not a financial one, it's about Wolters being relegated back to the bench, taking the ball out of Giannis' hands and potentially wasting another year of him.

Bledsoe also gives us a chance to Jrue another team like Philly did to NOLA.

[Scoops]

1. Chances of landing in the top 5 next year are very slim if Giannis and Parker are any good. If they aren't any good, the team is screwed regardless, and probably heading to Seattle.

I cannot believe people are posting stuff like this. The expectations by people on this forum for Giannis and Jabari are going to get so high that there will be no chance but to be let down by them this upcoming season.

Odds are very, very, very, very, VERY high that neither of these guys will be very valuable players next year. Hall of Fame, top 10 all-time type talents like LeBron, Durant and KG weren't even that good when they were 19 years old.

We have a Knicks board level of homerism going on in regards to how good these two will be next year.

[Sherman Douglas]

We have a Knicks board level of homerism going on in regards to how good these two will be next year.

We have Cavs fan level of denial going on here if people think we're going to get another top 3 pick next year.

[LUKE23]

Expecting Giannis/Parker to keep us out of the top 5 is overblown expectations? I don't agree with that at all. Actually, I think that's laughable.

[LUKE23]

We have a Knicks board level of homerism going on in regards to how good these two will be next year.

So we have Knicks level homerism because we expect the Bucks to be at 25+ wins? Hmm. That's really fascinating.

[M-C-G]

For those fretting about a max of 4/64, or ~16M per year...keep in mind Lowry just went for 12M per year.

KL per 36 - 17.8 pts, 4.6 rbs, 7.4 ast, 1.5 stl, 2.4 TO, TS% 56.7% at age 27

EB per 36 - 19.4 pts, 5.1 rbs, 6.0 ast, 1.8 stl, 3.6 TO, TS% 57.8% at age 24

So you are getting pretty close to an equivalent offensively to Lowry, but younger and with what I would assume is vastly superior man defense (I still don't get how defensive metrics work).

It's an overpay, but that is just the Milwaukee premium.

Why does it matter what Lowery got? We arent in a position to spend freely to contend for a middle tier playoff spot or even division title. Makes no sense. You dont spend just to spend because the neighbor is doing it.

I guess you and I disagree...I think we Bledsoe could potentially be a top 3 piece on a contender, so I see that as a risk worth taking. If we were signing Lowry, I would see that as spending to just to spend.

I showed Lowry, to give an example of where a max contract for Bledsoe would fall in line with contracts given this year.

It has everything to do with how he can grow WITH our core.

[midranger]

re: Lebron James. His stat line at 19 was 21/5.5/5/1.6. He was awesome.

re: Expectation for Giannis and Parker. I expect Parker to be a lesser Carmelo Anthony in year one i.e. 18 points,5 rebounds, 2 assists, relatively low efficiency, bad defense (Melo 21/6/3, poor efficiency, bad defense at 19). Still that can be a player that dramatically improves a team devoid of dynamic scorers. For Giannis, I expect him to be somewhere around AK47 2nd year i.e. 12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals, good defense at 3 spots.

If you think these are unreasonable expectations for these kids, fold up the tent and go home.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

David Robinson took a lottery team to a 60+ win team didn't he? Why not Jabariannis?

[Newz]

Expecting Giannis/Parker to keep us out of the top 5 is overblown expectations? I don't agree with that at all. Actually, I think that's laughable.

No. Saying that if they aren't any good that the team is screwed and is moving to Seattle is ridiculous.

If you think that's laughable, then I don't know what to tell you.

[ampd]

David Robinson took a lottery team to a 60+ win team didn't he? Why not Jabariannis?

Jordan and Shaq were top 5 NBA players in their rookie seasons

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

David Robinson took a lottery team to a 60+ win team didn't he? Why not Jabariannis?

Holy crap, I am a genius, I am going to change my handle to Jabariannis

[Newz]

re: Lebron James. His stat line at 19 was 21/5.5/5/1.6. He was awesome.

re: Expectation for Giannis and Parker. I expect Parker to be a lesser Carmelo Anthony in year one i.e. 18 points,5 rebounds, 2 assists, relatively low efficiency, bad defense (Melo 21/6/3, poor efficiency, bad defense at 19). Still that can be a player that dramatically improves a team devoid of dynamic scorers. For Giannis, I expect him to be somewhere around AK47 2nd year i.e. 12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals, good defense at 3 spots.

If you think these are unreasonable expectations for these kids, fold up the tent and go home.

I think the is more than reasonable for Parker. I would say he'll get more boards if he's playing the 4.

I will be shocked if Giannis puts up those numbers. The offensive ones I can see, the 2 blocks and 2 steals I don't think he'll get. I think he'll average more rebounds than five though too.

[midranger]

Expecting Giannis/Parker to keep us out of the top 5 is overblown expectations? I don't agree with that at all. Actually, I think that's laughable.

Agreed complete. If they suck bad enough to be near the worst team in the league, get really worried.

Toronto won 48 (48!) games last year.

Bledsoe > Lowry
Middleton = Ross
Giannis = Amir Johnson
Parker < Demar
Sanders >>> Jonas Valanciunas

Knight > Vasquez
Ersan > Patrick Patterson
Zaza > Hansborough
Mayo = Gay (both are awful)

With Bledsoe, and decent coaching, this would be a really good team IMO.

[Newz]

David Robinson took a lottery team to a 60+ win team didn't he? Why not Jabariannis?

David Robinson was 24 when he was a rookie.

Also, I think it's safe to say neither Jabari or Giannis will ever be as good as David Robinson. I guess maybe, but I'd say the odds of it happening are something like 1%-3%. David Robinson was ridiculously good and is one of the more underrated players in NBA history.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

were gonna be bottom 10 for sure. I don't see the point of splitting hairs about whether its still bottom 5 or not.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

David Robinson took a lottery team to a 60+ win team didn't he? Why not Jabariannis?

David Robinson was 24 when he was a rookie.

Also, I think it's safe to say neither Jabari or Giannis will ever be as good as David Robinson. I guess maybe, but I'd say the odds of it happening are something like 1%-3%. David Robinson was ridiculously good and is one of the more underrated players in NBA history.

I am being facetious -- but then I definitely wouldn't mind leaving the rebuild early if we become a 55+ win team right out of the gate w/ Jabari

[Badgerlander]

in their rookie year

Durant won 20 games with a line-up of Earl Watson (10.7/2.9/6.8)/Durant (20.3/4.4/2.4)/Jeff Green (10.5/4.7/1.5)/Collison (9.8/9.4/1.4)/Petro (6.0/5.1/0.4)

LeBron won 35 games with Kevin Ollie (4.2/2.1/2.9)/LeBron (20.9/5.5/5.9)/Eric Williams (9.4/3.8/1.9)/Boozer (15.5/11.4/2.0)/Z (15.3/8.1/1.3)

KG won 26 games with Terry Porter (9.4/2.6/5.5)/Isaiah Rider (19.6/4.1/2.8)/KG (10.4/6.3/1.8)/Gugliotta (16.2/8.8/3.1)/Laettner (18.0/6.9/2.9)

Melo won 43 games with Andre Miller (14.8/4.5/6.1)/ Voshon Leonard (14.2/2.7/2.1)/Melo (21.0/6.1/2.8)/Nene (11.8/6.5/2.2)/Camby (8.6/10.1/1.8)