What does your Hornets roster look like?

[Man Strength]

updated based on players available....

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round picks

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

williams could start at pf if needed while zeller and vonleh get ready. he can also play the 3 and the 4. humphries can also fill in at the 4 as needed.

ideally we would:
have a taller backup pg - vazquez?
better backups on the wing - hairston, taylor, cdr and tolliver all are best suited as 3rd stringers for now.

[BeesWax]

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round pick

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

Utah has two centers already in Kanter and Favors who both appear to need to play there. So I would think Zeller moves before. Biz since they have no need for a third young center. You also have the only starting caliber PF on the roster playing backup center. If you spend that much on Hayward you are making a push this season. If that is the case Humphries starts at PF.

The other moves look pretty good for making a run at this.

[Man Strength]

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round pick

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

Utah has two centers already in Kanter and Favors who both appear to need to play there. So I would think Zeller moves before. Biz since they have no need for a third young center. You also have the only starting caliber PF on the roster playing backup center. If you spend that much on Hayward you are making a push this season. If that is the case Humphries starts at PF.

The other moves look pretty good for making a run at this.

yah i think williams would start over humphries at pf if we wanted to let zeller/vonleh wait. hump can definitely play center. he is basically the same size as jefferson. okafor, if healthy, could be 2nd string c as well. move williams to backup sf, etc, etc. i also suspect clifford wants more skill/shooting out of the starting pf spot than hump offers

favors/kanter are both pf as much as centers. anyways, biyombo would be the backup. kanter really isnt an nba starter either.

[BeesWax]

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round pick

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

Utah has two centers already in Kanter and Favors who both appear to need to play there. So I would think Zeller moves before. Biz since they have no need for a third young center. You also have the only starting caliber PF on the roster playing backup center. If you spend that much on Hayward you are making a push this season. If that is the case Humphries starts at PF.

The other moves look pretty good for making a run at this.

yah i think williams would start over humphries at pf if we wanted to let zeller/vonleh wait. hump can definitely play center. he is basically the same size as jefferson. okafor, if healthy, could be 2nd string c as well. move williams to backup sf, etc, etc. i also suspect clifford wants more skill/shooting out of the starting pf spot than hump offers

favors/kanter are both pf as much as centers. anyways, biyombo would be the backup. kanter really isnt an nba starter either.

I disagree on Favors and Kanter. Both are centers first and are much worse players when slid to PF. If you check out their stats between the two positions both put up lower numbers at PF across the board. Utah needs a 4 to run with these guys not another guy to put at 5.

[Man Strength]

Utah has two centers already in Kanter and Favors who both appear to need to play there. So I would think Zeller moves before. Biz since they have no need for a third young center. You also have the only starting caliber PF on the roster playing backup center. If you spend that much on Hayward you are making a push this season. If that is the case Humphries starts at PF.

The other moves look pretty good for making a run at this.

yah i think williams would start over humphries at pf if we wanted to let zeller/vonleh wait. hump can definitely play center. he is basically the same size as jefferson. okafor, if healthy, could be 2nd string c as well. move williams to backup sf, etc, etc. i also suspect clifford wants more skill/shooting out of the starting pf spot than hump offers

favors/kanter are both pf as much as centers. anyways, biyombo would be the backup. kanter really isnt an nba starter either.

I disagree on Favors and Kanter. Both are centers first and are much worse players when slid to PF. If you check out their stats between the two positions both put up lower numbers at PF across the board. Utah needs a 4 to run with these guys not another guy to put at 5.

agree to disagree. and kanter isnt good anyways. not saying the trade totally makes sense for them anyways, but the salaries fit and its a decent return if haywood wants to leave

id prefer to switch nelson to vazquez ($6 mil per?) and hump to jordan hill or ed davis anyhow, but trying to go somewhat off guys we have been connected to.

[BeesWax]

yah i think williams would start over humphries at pf if we wanted to let zeller/vonleh wait. hump can definitely play center. he is basically the same size as jefferson. okafor, if healthy, could be 2nd string c as well. move williams to backup sf, etc, etc. i also suspect clifford wants more skill/shooting out of the starting pf spot than hump offers

favors/kanter are both pf as much as centers. anyways, biyombo would be the backup. kanter really isnt an nba starter either.

I disagree on Favors and Kanter. Both are centers first and are much worse players when slid to PF. If you check out their stats between the two positions both put up lower numbers at PF across the board. Utah needs a 4 to run with these guys not another guy to put at 5.

agree to disagree. and kanter isnt good anyways. not saying the trade totally makes sense for them anyways, but the salaries fit and its a decent return if haywood wants to leave

id prefer to switch nelson to vazquez ($6 mil per?) and hump to jordan hill or ed davis anyhow, but trying to go somewhat off guys we have been connected to.

With a number of those I am fine either way.

Go to 82games.com and check out Favors and Kanter. The drop off is nuts and what they give up to PFs vs Cs is crazy too. Kanter is a much worse PF than Favors but both are worse there than C. I am very interested to see what a sign and trade would look like. Not saying they wouldn't take Biz but just can't see it as a good fit compared to Zeller. I would think Biz may have more value than Zeller right now though.

[HornetJail]

updated based on players available....

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round picks

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

williams could start at pf if needed while zeller and vonleh get ready. he can also play the 3 and the 4. humphries can also fill in at the 4 as needed.

ideally we would:
have a taller backup pg - vazquez?
better backups on the wing - hairston, taylor, cdr and tolliver all are best suited as 3rd stringers for now.

That roster is on par with what we had last season, just way less flexible for the future. Spending $13M on Hayward, giving away our only rim protector, and then filling out with scrubs would be a step back for this team.

[Man Strength]

updated based on players available....

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round picks

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

williams could start at pf if needed while zeller and vonleh get ready. he can also play the 3 and the 4. humphries can also fill in at the 4 as needed.

ideally we would:
have a taller backup pg - vazquez?
better backups on the wing - hairston, taylor, cdr and tolliver all are best suited as 3rd stringers for now.

That roster is on par with what we had last season, just way less flexible for the future. Spending $13M on Hayward, giving away our only rim protector, and then filling out with scrubs would be a step back for this team.

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[Man Strength]

updated based on players available....

S&T for hayward at $13,500,000
Hayward for Henderson, Neal, Biyombo and two 2nd round picks

FAs
jamerer nelson - 4,000,000/yr -2 years
marvin williams - 3,500,000 - 3 years
humphries - 3,000,000/yr - 2 years
okafor - 2,000,000/yr - 1 year
pargo - 1,000,000 /yr - 1 year
cdr - 1,000,000/yr - 2 years
tolliver - 1,000,000/yr - 1 year

total salary cap used - $59,550,646
-this includes rookie salaries

cap is projected to be $63,200,000 so we would be almost $4,000,000 under

new roster:
pg walker - nelson - pargo
sg hayward - hairston - cdr
sf mkg - taylor - tolliver
pf zeller - m williams - vonleh
c jefferson - humphries - okafor

williams could start at pf if needed while zeller and vonleh get ready. he can also play the 3 and the 4. humphries can also fill in at the 4 as needed.

ideally we would:
have a taller backup pg - vazquez?
better backups on the wing - hairston, taylor, cdr and tolliver all are best suited as 3rd stringers for now.

That roster is on par with what we had last season, just way less flexible for the future. Spending $13M on Hayward, giving away our only rim protector, and then filling out with scrubs would be a step back for this I team.

Not the team I would have built going into the offseason, but working with available options

I'm not worried about losing hendo, biyombo or Neal anyways. I'm focused on improving the top 8. Basically at this point we need a major wing upgrade and zeller or Vonleh to be much better than expected earlier than expected. Otherwise it's even at best.




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[LofJ]

Going to try to put together a realistic look at what we could be looking at for next season. We miss out on Jameer Nelson who goes ring chasing. Vasquez gets overpaid by the Bucks. The Bulls sign Lance Stephenson after clearing tons of cap and missing on Carmelo. And Gordon Hayward is signed and traded to the Suns for Gerald Green and the Lakers 2015 1st. We have to look at our secondary targets and end up signing Kris Humphries, Seth Curry, CDR, and Rodney Stuckey. We also buy out the rest of Neal's contract.

Walker/Stuckey/Curry
Hairston/CDR
MKG/Henderson/Taylor
Humphries/Zeller/Vonleh
Jefferson/Biyombo

[JDR720]

Based on the rumors and stuff

PG-Kemba-Brian Roberts
SG-Hayward-Hairston-Neal
SF-MKG-Gerald-JT
PF-Zeller-Marvin Williams-Vonleh
C-Al-Biz

[Braggins]

Kemba Walker/Jameer Nelson/Brian Roberts
Lance Stephenson/CDR/PJ Hairston
MKG/Marvin Williams/Jeff Taylor
Jeff Green/Cody Zeller/Noah Vonleh
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

Trade Hendo + Neal + a 1st round pick for Jeff Green (and a random scrub if they insist). The Celtics are still in tank mode and would pick up an asset and we would receive the perfect stretch PF for our team. His contract will be up at the same team we would be expecting Vonleh to take over as our starting PF. I would even throw in a 2nd round pick to make this happen. We could also trade Marvin instead of Hendo in this scenario and not resign CDR. Use exceptions or whatever to sign Jameer Nelson and CDR or at least CDR and a super cheap PG if both Nelson and CDR aren't a possibility and let Lance play some backup PG. Let Zeller and Vonleh duke it out for the backup PF spot. Boom, I love this roster. We would be extremely well balanced with tons of lineup and strategy flexibility and good on both sides of the ball with potential to be the best defense in the NBA.

[LamarMatic7]

Trade Hendo + Neal + a 1st round pick for Jeff Green (and a random scrub if they insist)..

These kind of trades are really interesting territory now that we've signed Lance and we, the board members, will float around possible trades to upgrade our roster even more with the expense being the loss of our first round pick.

How good will we really be and where that lottery pick will fall?

Even as a good Eastern team, where will we rank in the draft once the Western playoff teams enter the equation?

And most importantly - does someone on the level of Jeff Green really push the needle enough to give up that pick (the placement of which we still don't know)? In this case, especially considering Jeff Green's habit of inconsistent play and fading in and out of games.

On the other hand, I've been thinking about the value of draft picks. You don't need me to tell the whole tale as obviously you all know it yourselves, but the thinking compared to 10 years ago has quite changed. Front offices value draft picks way more and deal with them with great care. It indeed is a copycat league and history has proven that once some trend takes over and proves a bit of success, the rest of the league will follow. Deals like Afflalo for a late first rounder (in Fournier) and a late second rounder make you wonder whether it isn't time to go the other way and whether it isn't possible to win a trade where you are the one giving up the pick. Just look at what February has become. Teams are scared of giving up their picks, while other teams go out of their way to acquire quite average picks.

I'm not sure whether our pick for Jeff Green is the right trade but I can certainly see the other side of the argument.

(side-note - I do understand the value of cheap rookie deals, which some might use to poke back at me. It definitely is the upside of acquiring draft picks for guys on Afflalo/Jeff Green type of contracts)

[Braggins]

Trade Hendo + Neal + a 1st round pick for Jeff Green (and a random scrub if they insist)..

These kind of trades are really interesting territory now that we've signed Lance and we, the board members, will float around possible trades to upgrade our roster even more with the expense being the loss of our first round pick.

How good will we really be and where that lottery pick will fall?

Even as a good Eastern team, where will we rank in the draft once the Western playoff teams enter the equation?

And most importantly - does someone on the level of Jeff Green really push the needle enough to give up that pick (the placement of which we still don't know)? In this case, especially considering Jeff Green's habit of inconsistent play and fading in and out of games.

On the other hand, I've been thinking about the value of draft picks. You don't need me to tell the whole tale as obviously you all know it yourselves, but the thinking compared to 10 years ago has quite changed. Front offices value draft picks way more and deal with them with great care. It indeed is a copycat league and history has proven that once some trend takes over and proves a bit of success, the rest of the league will follow. Deals like Afflalo for a late first rounder (in Fournier) and a late second rounder make you wonder whether it isn't time to go the other way and whether it isn't possible to win a trade where you are the one giving up the pick. Just look at what February has become. Teams are scared of giving up their picks, while other teams go out of their way to acquire quite average picks.

I'm not sure whether our pick for Jeff Green is the right trade but I can certainly see the other side of the argument.

(side-note - I do understand the value of cheap rookie deals, which some might use to poke back at me. It definitely is the upside of acquiring draft picks for guys on Afflalo/Jeff Green type of contracts)

Maybe deals of this type could be made with 2nd round picks? I don't think that is where I would start but if Ainge wanted to play hard ball I could see myself throwing in a 1st rounder. The strength of next years draft also would be a factor. For instance, in the late teens/early twenties of this last draft there were high quality players and I would probably be a lot more hesitant to do this deal last year if we were in the position we are now. I actually really like Green on this team. For the most part, all he'd be asked to do is play good defense and hit open looks. Both of these are things he can do well on a nightly basis. His lack of assertiveness at times wouldn't be much of a problem because we are overflowing with assertiveness with Al, Kemba, and Lance and Green's versatility and ability to create for himself on offense on nights when he is more aggressive will only be a bonus. I think he would be better than McBob was for us since Lance greatly alleviates our need for more playmaking and Green does all the other things we needed McBob to do at a much higher level. Green seems like about as good as we could realistically get at PF with what we have to trade but I am certainly not stuck on him and would be open to other players. Green just makes sense and I love his fit and think our team would be a blast to watch with him spacing the floor and allowing us to really push the pace with the likes Kemba, Lance, MKG, etc. I think with our current roster we are in the discussion for the 3-6 seed range with a slight possibility of going a little higher if we really gel. With Green I think that would put us in the 1-4 range with the 1 seed not being that likely, but still a possibility.

[LamarMatic7]

For the most part, all he'd be asked to do is play good defense and hit open looks.

I know that by doing this I cherry-pick the one sentence I want to point at, but I have to ask - aren't there cheaper ways than the loss of a 1st round pick and 9 million in salary to get someone who does that?

[Braggins]

For the most part, all he'd be asked to do is play good defense and hit open looks.

I know that by doing this I cherry-pick the one sentence I want to point at, but I have to ask - aren't there cheaper ways than the loss of a 1st round pick and 9 million in salary to get someone who does that?

I can't think of any at PF that are as good and versatile as Green. He's pretty consistently put up 15 a game with good shooting percentages and a lot of volume from deep. He is actually really quick and athletic for his size (which would make him perfect in our defensive scheme) and has a lot more to his game when he is dialed in than what we would generally be asking him to do. He is a guy that can put up 30+ on certain nights and even can go for 40. I'm sure there are specialists out there we could get just to shoot but they likely wouldn't be nearly as good on defense and wouldn't bring the other potential aspects Green does. Ryan Anderson is a better shooter and rebounder at the 4 but thats all he does and I think he has a big salary as well. Since Hendo is the guy we are wanting to trade and he makes 6 million whoever we would be getting is probably not going to be cheap anyways. But Idk, I haven't really scoured other teams rosters looking for options. Green just came to mind for me immediately and it seems to make tons of sense for us. Who are some other players we could get to fill this role?

[Braggins]

It is also possible we could replace Neal with Zeller in these trade scenarios and avoid giving up picks or maybe even receive picks. I don't know if we should give up on Zeller this early though and at this point and I don't value our picks for the next couple of years that high. I also don't know much about the next two draft classes so I could be completely wrong with my assessment of our pick value.