Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[ampd]

With Cleveland in the position they are in now in regards to Lebron + others, they must be desperate to dump that Jack contract like rumours are suggesting. I'm surprised there aren't more talks of us involved with that, would love to take a future Cavs 1st and a guy like Karasev who I still rate highly to eat that contract.

Id prefer Lin and the cap space again next summer to do the same thing. Of course its not my money. But id take a Jack trade too at the right price.

Jack is way too similar to Gary Neal for my taste. I don't think he does much for us. I'd do it if we're getting something significant back with him but I'm not a fan

[TroyD92]

would you give a max contract to (a younger) monta ellis? Bledsoe isn't as good offensively as Monta.

They're not even comparable as players.

[paulpressey25]

Jack is owed $19 million. And he sucks.

We'd need to get back a lot of assets to do this. Ditto for Lin.

I want Bennett and Miami's 2015 first.

[emunney]

Jack is owed $19 million. And he sucks.

We'd need to get back a lot of assets to do this. Ditto for Lin.

I want Bennett and Miami's 2015 first.

That last year is only guaranteed for 500k fwiw. He does suck though, and would be a source of great frustration (taking minutes from Wolters) and losses (the sucking) for us.

[Buckrageous]

With Cleveland in the position they are in now in regards to Lebron + others, they must be desperate to dump that Jack contract like rumours are suggesting. I'm surprised there aren't more talks of us involved with that, would love to take a future Cavs 1st and a guy like Karasev who I still rate highly to eat that contract.

Id prefer Lin and the cap space again next summer to do the same thing. Of course its not my money. But id take a Jack trade too at the right price.

Jack is way too similar to Gary Neal for my taste. I don't think he does much for us. I'd do it if we're getting something significant back with him but I'm not a fan

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I want to pay him for 3 years. It would have to be a 1st +. Intrigued by that Bennett plus Miami's pick that PP just posted though. Whats the protection, if any, on that pick?

[Nycballa2k]

I know you guys will hate this but I don't care

I'm down with us going after Isaiah Thomas. I don't care how little he is he's a great player and still very young. I would love to see what Kidd can do with him.

[cinematographer]

It is clear that facts and performance are not important to some of the posters.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[Nycballa2k]

I'm just wondering why folks think Bledsoe is a real PG. He's a short combo guard. Haven't we had enough of those already? He has never had a good Ast/TO ratio. He might be better than Knight (he was a better shooter and defender than him last season), but he's shorter and two years older.

They call him mini-LeBron

I don't think I need to bring up any actual stats as to why we should go for him. He's an athletic beast and still hasn't had a chance to run an offense by himself. Dragic and him were great off of each other but they also cut into each other a little bit. On the Bucks it'd be his team to run and his athleticism and skills will push this team. He deserves credit for being a huge part along with Dragic of how good a team projected to be among the worst ended up almost in the playoffs in a tough as **** division.

[El Duderino]

Man this forum never ceases to amaze me in it's activity.

A thread which now has reached 62 pages and still going strong over a guy like Blledsoe who at best has a very slim chance of ending up on the Bucks.

I'd love to see it actually happen, but even saying a 5% chance is probably being generous.

The Suns forum insider says that PHX wants a star in return in any S&T, as they consider him worthy of his max level. So I'd rate the chances at nil, *unless the Bucks aren't willing to do anything stupid to obtain him.

One way or the other the smart thing for the Suns do it is to tell people they will match anything unless a star is coming back. It might be the truth but it might just be a negotiating ploy. If no one signs him to a max offer sheet the Suns wont have to pay him that much either. Letting other teams know "we wont match" or "we'll s&t him for a bum" doesnt make sense.

Teams around the league often know people who know people and thus can get a pretty good feel of how they think another team/GM will likely respond to an offer sheet at a certain dollar amount. So for a GM to just say in the media that they'll match any offer for a RFA and that automatically would shut off other teams from making an offer isn't true if those teams don't believe with certainty that the GM making those claims is being truthful vs instead simply trying to scare away any big offers.

That said, i do believe the odds are at least 80-20 that McDonough would match a max offer for Bledsoe given his age, talent, the fabulous cap situation the Suns have, and that the league cap number is set to rise significantly going forward. So i just can't envision McDonough letting Bledsoe walk over a max offer unless he got high quality value in return via a sign and trade, not guys like Henson and/or Knight value.

[Garbs_7]

Id prefer Lin and the cap space again next summer to do the same thing. Of course its not my money. But id take a Jack trade too at the right price.

Jack is way too similar to Gary Neal for my taste. I don't think he does much for us. I'd do it if we're getting something significant back with him but I'm not a fan

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I want to pay him for 3 years. It would have to be a 1st +. Intrigued by that Bennett plus Miami's pick that PP just posted though. Whats the protection, if any, on that pick?

I don't know where you guys are getting this 3 years from but he only has 2 years guaranteed at an easy $6.3 each year, with the 3rd year being one of these valuable Team Options with only 500k guaranteed that teams are giving up assets to trade for. I'm not looking for Jack to be part of the core or anything, but the assets we could get back along with him are really intriguing. Karasav and a 1st is nothing to sneeze at for a small salary slot we may not even fill this year. I'm pretty confident he could be flipped next year anyway to a contender before the deadline if we want him off the books sooner.

[Buckrageous]

Jack is way too similar to Gary Neal for my taste. I don't think he does much for us. I'd do it if we're getting something significant back with him but I'm not a fan

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I want to pay him for 3 years. It would have to be a 1st +. Intrigued by that Bennett plus Miami's pick that PP just posted though. Whats the protection, if any, on that pick?

I don't know where you guys are getting this 3 years from but he only has 2 years guaranteed at an easy $6.3 each year, with the 3rd year being one of these valuable Team Options with only 500k guaranteed that teams are giving up assets to trade for. I'm not looking for Jack to be part of the core or anything, but the assets we could get back along with him are really intriguing. Karasav and a 1st is nothing to sneeze at for a small salary slot we may not even fill this year. I'm pretty confident he could be flipped next year anyway to a contender before the deadline if we want him off the books sooner.

I didnt realize that about the final year, thought he had 3 yrs guarenteed.

[LedZepp007]

Jack is owed $19 million. And he sucks.

We'd need to get back a lot of assets to do this. Ditto for Lin.

I want Bennett and Miami's 2015 first.

Yeah. If they are really in it to win it for LeBron, they'll do anything.

[paulpressey25]

Jack is owed $19 million. And he sucks.

We'd need to get back a lot of assets to do this. Ditto for Lin.

I want Bennett and Miami's 2015 first.

Yeah. If they are really in it to win it for LeBron, they'll do anything.

Make em pay up. No need to help them get LeBron like we helped PHX get Bledsoe last year. Taking on $14 million of guaranteed money to Jack deserves a big payoff for us.

[DrWood]

would you give a max contract to (a younger) monta ellis? Bledsoe isn't as good offensively as Monta.

Would this young Monta Ellis be a lockdown defender?

I don't know. I do know that I heard a bunch how Knight was an excellent defender when he came over.

added in edit: I also don't know where folks are getting that bledsoe is a lockdown defender. his opponent's PER is slightly above average as a PG and over 20 as a SG.

[Matches Malone]

Lot of good quotes from Charles Gardner in the Jason Kidd thread if you missed it

[El Duderino]

With Cleveland in the position they are in now in regards to Lebron + others, they must be desperate to dump that Jack contract like rumours are suggesting. I'm surprised there aren't more talks of us involved with that, would love to take a future Cavs 1st and a guy like Karasev who I still rate highly to eat that contract.

Id prefer Lin and the cap space again next summer to do the same thing. Of course its not my money. But id take a Jack trade too at the right price.

Jack is way too similar to Gary Neal for my taste. I don't think he does much for us. I'd do it if we're getting something significant back with him but I'm not a fan

I don't want to trade for Jack unless the Bucks got some quality assets in return for taking on his contract, but he's better than Neal. Then again, Neal made half the money as Jack.

[worthlessBucks]

Bennett with Jack is cool with me. I don't think we'd have a hard time moving Jack in the future (everyone is movable). If we're not going to sign Bledsoe, we need absorb a contract with the assets that come with it. We're in a position to assist the frenzy, now assist Hammond. Facilitate Hammond, facilitate.

I do confess to always having a soft spot in my heart for Jack dating back to his GT days. Visions of Bynum, Morrow, Muhammad, and Schenscher surround him.

[El Duderino]

Jack is owed $19 million. And he sucks.

We'd need to get back a lot of assets to do this. Ditto for Lin.

I want Bennett and Miami's 2015 first.

Yeah. If they are really in it to win it for LeBron, they'll do anything.

The Cavs are in a bind though by not being sure what James is going to do. So it's tricky for them in not wanting to give up quality assets to clear some cap space, only to see LeBron sign elsewhere.

James is doing something similar to Miami. Riley badly wants to keep James so he signs nothing special vets like Granger and McRoberts, but then if LeBron signs elsewhere, Miami is going to suck and those two signings a waste of money.

If i was the Cavs GM, i'm not sure how exactly i'd handle this situation unless LeBron via his agent told the Cavs that they are likely his first choice. Sacrificing future assets to create cap room, but then not getting James would have to really sting for a Cleveland roster with mostly young players.

[Baddy Chuck]

If I was the Cavs GM I'm trading Wiggins for Love, Waiters and Thompson for immediate help and waiting for the ring chasers to cling on for dear life and I destroy the East for the next 5-10 years.

[cinematographer]

would you give a max contract to (a younger) monta ellis? Bledsoe isn't as good offensively as Monta.

Would this young Monta Ellis be a lockdown defender?

I don't know. I do know that I heard a bunch how Knight was an excellent defender when he came over.

added in edit: I also don't know where folks are getting that bledsoe is a lockdown defender. his opponent's PER is slightly above average as a PG and over 20 as a SG.

Well, the problem is you're looking at PER.