The Gordon Hayward Thread

[chabber]

Thanks for getting him under contract for us. Jazz match. I have seen the Jazz numbers and their is no reason the Jazz will not match, even if over paid. The Jazz have large amounts of cap space the next 4 years. I am upset he is getting this much but what you going to do. Sometimes it just works out that way. The NBA can give out some crazy money for so so talent and no talent sometimes.

If Utah matches, great. While I think there is a slight chance he could play up to his contract here, I am not banking on locking in our team for the next 3 years on a slight chance.

Kudos to Jordan and Cho for actually trying to improve the roster drastically. This signing, even if Utah matches, probably made Henderson take notice quite a bit

I was about to make a similar post but I'll keep it short.

Thank you Hornets for trying to push and make the team better. Even if the price is very scary, this is a tough business and we have very little avenues sometimes as a small market to bring in talent.

[BlackOutBuzz]

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So basically if he gets trade hes going to get a couple extra million. Would have preferred the team option as opposed to a player option, but of course he wouldn't do that

I think they're trying anything possible to keep Utah from matching. We'll see.

[Liver_Pooty]

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Well at least we made sure another team overpaid like hell for him.

[fatlever]

No reason to freak out. Jazz will match. This was a show of faith for Jefferson and kemba. If they don't match, yikes. Great fit awful contract. Cho will have to get creative down the road. What you guys need to be worried about is if this turns into a sign and trade. Giving additional assets to overpay is the real nightmare scenario.

[amcoolio]

That is good news if Woj is reporting it.

I am fully confident we can a player of or better than Hayward's caliber this or the next couple offseasons.

[Liver_Pooty]

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So basically if he gets trade hes going to get a couple extra million. Would have preferred the team option as opposed to a player option, but of course he wouldn't do that

I think they're trying anything possible to keep Utah from matching. We'll see.

Yeah, either way I think Utah matches. Or thats what literally everyone is saying anyways. Is it possible to still explore sign and trade scenarios after Utah matches or is that the end all be all?

[Liver_Pooty]

No reason to freak out. Jazz will match. This was a show of faith for Jefferson and kemba. If they don't match, yikes. Great fit awful contract. Cho will have to get creative down the road. What you guys need to be worried about is if this turns into a sign and trade. Giving additional assets to overpay is the real nightmare scenario.

Yeah, I think an eventual sign and trade is a possibility, which could get rather ridiculous depending on what we have to give up.

[vorbis]

I don't think this is the type of offer where Charlotte will have to give up big assets for Utah to reject matching. if it were a more downwardly competitive offer, maybe. if Jazz want him, then match the sheet. if they think it's too steep, maybe they can coax a minor asset out of Charlotte for their troubles. i.e. Henderson or equivalent. the numbers on the contract ARE the leverage here. Charlotte has played their hand.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't think this is the type of offer where Charlotte will have to give up big assets for Utah to reject matching. if it were a more downwardly competitive offer, maybe. if Jazz want him, then match the sheet. if they think it's too steep, maybe they can coax a minor asset out of Charlotte for their troubles. i.e. Henderson or equivalent. the numbers on the contract ARE the leverage here. Charlotte has played their hand.

Yeah, a Jazz poster just mentioned that it was time for a sign and trade on the GB thinking they are going to get significant assets back. Its almost impossible to get great assets back in a sign and trade unless its for a legit superstar. And Hayward is definitely not that.

[SpearNMgicHelmt]

If we end up with him on the roster, we're going to have to call him Cash Gordon.

[Liver_Pooty]

If we end up with him on the roster, we're going to have to call him Cash Gordon.

Sounds like a good name of his thread right there

[Liver_Pooty]

Ichiro will be one happy man tomorrow.

[therebirth]

I am surprise cho is giving out this type of contract. I thought he was a shrewd gm. But this is what happens when you don't draft well. Then you end up having to trade good players away with assets to avoid the tax. They haven't learnt anything from the past.

And for the lance fan, I don't think Clifford is a fan at all.

[amcoolio]

I am surprise cho is giving out this type of contract. I thought he was a shrewd gm. But this is what happens when you don't draft well. Then you end up having to trade good players away with assets to avoid the tax. They haven't learnt anything from the past.

If anything Cho has major cajoles giving out this contract. Kudos to him. If we keep him we won't be paying the tax anyway. We would likely lose Biz though if Jefferson has another monster year and we want to keep him.

[Liver_Pooty]

Jazz will more than likely match anyway They have 4 days. We will see.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Woj...

"Several other teams had called Utah to inquire about the possibility of sign-and-trade deals if they signed Hayward to an offer sheet, but Charlotte never did, sources tell Yahoo Sports."

Odd, since earlier it was mentioned we were mainly working on trades. I'm sure we'll try now before Hayward signs on Thursday.

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[MasterIchiro]

Ichiro will be one happy man tomorrow.

My interpretation is this offer was designed to compel the Jazz to sign + trade. They will have 3 days to match or work out a trade. They keep saying they will match but only because they want more value in a trade. And if they don't get real value in a trade in the next 3 days, they will match.

Charlotte likes him enough to pay him the max so they must like him enough to part with real value.

So I still say MKG goes as the centerpiece to complete this epic overpay. But again, the whole market is so inflated, it's technically a normal market rate.

[Liver_Pooty]

Several other teams had called Utah to inquire about the possibility of sign-and-trade deals if they signed Hayward to an offer sheet, but Charlotte never did, sources tell Yahoo Sports. The Hornets are short of the kind of young frontline talent that would appeal to teams in such a deal.

Looks like a sign and trade is doubtful. Which is probably good news. If they match good for them. If they don't than we have a good fit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--g ... 22460.html

[MasterIchiro]

The lack of inquiry into sign + trade possibilities is posturing. As is the Jazz telling other teams who inquired there is no possibility of sign + trade. When push comes to shove, the Jazz have an opportunity to secure a better situation for their team than no Hayward at all or Hayward at the max.

Charlotte basically is daring the Jazz to take Hayward at the max or lose him for nothing. Utah is basically posturing for a higher value in sign and trade by taking a public stance they are only interested in matching. There is a middle ground.

[Liver_Pooty]

Wojo on FS1 really likes this move for us, but ultimately thinks Utah will match.