Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014)

Blue_and_Whte · Post #421 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:25 pm

ZeusIsLoose wrote:
DMack78 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Rodman was like a 6'7" SF coming into the league and grew into a PF position as it took a good 3 years. If Gordon can become a defensive powerhouse, then I have the patience.

not sayin the dude isn't going to get bigger, he just looks small compared to the massive dudes I think of at the PF spot, not his height so much as his frame is small. I'm sure he will his the gym and bulk up.

If Gordon is a 3 going forward, what happens to Harkless? Do we bury our 4 pick on the bench as the 3rd SF? That doesnt help his growth.

nothing happens to Harkless. We trade harris. If Gordon turns out to be our best SF you cant really bench Harris and expect him to want to stick around.

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Blue_and_Whte · Post #422 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:28 pm

Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now.

Easily. ..

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thelead · Post #423 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:30 pm

If people are concerned with Harris' shooting range (lol), I'm going to troll this board if they want Gordon to play SF.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #424 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:32 pm

I think a lot of people are going to get frustrated with Gordon this season. He's probably the rawest player Hennigan has drafted/acquired (sans Harkless, who's expectations were way less). Just have to keep in mind that he is 18 and is still figuring out his own game

I hope the coaching staff can designate some kind of role for him e.g. playmaking sf, off-ball sf, p&r pf, clean-up pf, etc.

tiderulz · Post #425 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:36 pm

Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

tiderulz · Post #426 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:38 pm

Zmill wrote:I think a lot of people are going to get frustrated with Gordon this season. He's probably the rawest player Hennigan has drafted/acquired (sans Harkless, who's expectations were way less). Just have to keep in mind that he is 18 and is still figuring out his own game

I hope the coaching staff can designate some kind of role for him e.g. playmaking sf, off-ball sf, p&r pf, clean-up pf, etc.

i can understand this, and i can understand players wanting money. But i really wish players had to stay in college more and refine their game there (or D-League or something), and not get drafted by NBA teams and still need years to develop basic skills and fundamentals.

thelead · Post #427 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:39 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Al Jefferson, Al Horford and Pau Gasol are PF's. That leaves 8, Vuc is top 10, for now.

tiderulz · Post #428 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:41 pm

thelead wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Al Jefferson, Al Horford and Pau Gasol are PF's. That leaves 8, Vuc is top 10, for now.

cmon, Horford and Jefferson havent been PF's for years. they are centers. at this stage in his career, Gasol is a Center too.

thelead · Post #429 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:45 pm

tiderulz wrote:
thelead wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Al Jefferson, Al Horford and Pau Gasol are PF's. That leaves 8, Vuc is top 10, for now.

cmon, Horford and Jefferson havent been PF's for years. they are centers. at this stage in his career, Gasol is a Center too.

They may play C but that doesn't mean they do it as well as their natural position. All three guys would be moved to PF in a second if their teams could find a decent center. That said, I would take Vuc easily over Pau anyway and might take him over Pek and Hibbert if improves just slightly.

MagicStarwipe · Post #430 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:57 pm

tiderulz wrote:Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Marc Gasol - Yes
Andre Drummond - At this stage it's close.
Joakim Noah - Yes
Dwight Howard - Yes
Al Horford - Yes, but more a PF forced to be an undersized C.
Pau Gasol - At this stage it's questionable.
Jefferson - Yes
Duncan - Yes
Hibbert - Honestly, no, don't think so.
Cousins - Yes
Pekovic - Questionable

tooler · Post #431 » by **tooler** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:09 pm

Another way to look at Vucevic is to play the trade value game. Which centers would you take in a straight up trade for the sake of your team long-term? That eliminates Duncan and Pau, maybe head cases like Dwight, Hibbert, Cousins, etc.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #432 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:40 pm

thelead wrote:If people are concerned with Harris' shooting range (lol), I'm going to troll this board if they want Gordon to play SF.

If you play a shooter at pf or c, you can play somebody at sf that can't shoot.

Dipo/Fournier/Gordon/Frye/Vuc

for example is a lineup with Gordon at sf that can shoot

this is why we got frye

recko321 · Post #433 » by **recko321** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:49 pm

Anyone see Tobias' instagram picture of him working out with KOQ, Moe AND Ben Gordon. What a terrible teammate Gordon is.

tiderulz · Post #434 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:51 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Marc Gasol - Yes
Andre Drummond - At this stage it's close.
Joakim Noah - Yes
Dwight Howard - Yes
Al Horford - Yes, but more a PF forced to be an undersized C.
Pau Gasol - At this stage it's questionable.
Jefferson - Yes
Duncan - Yes
Hibbert - Honestly, no, don't think so.
Cousins - Yes
Pekovic - Questionable

when someone has been playing center for 6 years, can we stop saying he is a PF? And Pekovic is questionable over Vucci? Can you explain why?

BadMofoPimp · Post #435 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:11 pm

DMack78 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
DMack78 wrote:
I thought he seemed kinda small for a PF too.

Rodman was like a 6'7" SF coming into the league and grew into a PF position as it took a good 3 years. If Gordon can become a defensive powerhouse, then I have the patience.

not sayin the dude isn't going to get bigger, he just looks small compared to the massive dudes I think of at the PF spot, not his height so much as his frame is small. I'm sure he will his the gym and bulk up.

I am sure he will.

MagicStarwipe · Post #436 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:15 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Marc Gasol - Yes
Andre Drummond - At this stage it's close.
Joakim Noah - Yes
Dwight Howard - Yes
Al Horford - Yes, but more a PF forced to be an undersized C.
Pau Gasol - At this stage it's questionable.
Jefferson - Yes
Duncan - Yes
Hibbert - Honestly, no, don't think so.
Cousins - Yes
Pekovic - Questionable

when someone has been playing center for 6 years, can we stop saying he is a PF? And Pekovic is questionable over Vucci? Can you explain why?

Only because the Hawks front office haven't been able to find a quality C to start and they also had Josh Smith who was most effective at PF for years. And Pekovic isn't as good a rebounder, and is a worse defender than Vuc.

magicsanta · Post #437 » by **magicsanta** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:17 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

He said 'true center', which leaves out Pau Gasol, Al Horford, Cousins, arguably Duncan and maybe even Jefferson. Also, I'd take Vucevic over Hibbert and Pekovic. I think the level of PFs in the league is so much better than centers, as a group, that the former end up playing out of position.

Optimus_Steel · Post #438 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:17 pm

Wow Charlotte makes a max offer to Hayward. Everyone is getting paid this summer. Everyone. That's why I am done saying "well he is overpaid' or "they are overpaying". If thats what the market is saying then thats what the market says.

BadMofoPimp · Post #439 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:19 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Vooch >>>>>> Pekovic. Not so sure on Pau anymore as he is past his prime while Vooch is so young and growing that I think he will surpass half those guys in the next year or two.

Nyce_1 · Post #440 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:19 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:Wow Charlotte makes a max offer to Hayward. Everyone is getting paid this summer. Everyone. That's why I am done saying "well he is overpaid' or "they are overpaying". If thats what the market is saying then thats what the market says.

Gotta overpay to get restricted FAs or get players to join a losing team.