The Gordon Hayward Thread

Post #501 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:08 am

Marvel wrote:
BudTugly wrote:Jazz will match but we dun got Jordan'd. Again. FO looks like a bunch of doofuses for failing to sign him to something more team friendly last year.

G-Time's agent is a badass whoever he is. That contract is brutal.

Hope the Hornets have a great year regardless, Al is maybe the easiest guy in the league to root for. That dude is fantastic and deserves a winning team.

They must feel really dumb about now. Should have signed him earlier in the season.

He turned down their 4/48 million dollar offer

Marvel · Post #502 » by **Marvel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:10 am

JDR720 wrote:
Marvel wrote:
BudTugly wrote:Jazz will match but we dun got Jordan'd. Again. FO looks like a bunch of doofuses for failing to sign him to something more team friendly last year.

G-Time's agent is a badass whoever he is. That contract is brutal.

Hope the Hornets have a great year regardless, Al is maybe the easiest guy in the league to root for. That dude is fantastic and deserves a winning team.

They must feel really dumb about now. Should have signed him earlier in the season.

He turned down their 4/48 million dollar offer

Oh really...what a douche. Who does he think he is, Larry Bird.

Fred Williamson · Post #503 » by **Fred Williamson** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:15 pm

the only thing worse than paying him $60 milion, is paying him $60 million after a sign-and-trade that involves MKG and Cody. I'm not sure if I could bear so much suffering.

LofJ · Post #504 » by **LofJ** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:21 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:the only thing worse than paying him $60 milion, is paying him $60 million after a sign-and-trade that involves MKG and Cody. I'm not sure if I could bear so much suffering.

I might become a Jazz fan if that happens, no sense cheering for a team that wants to be mediocre.

Crossroads24 · Post #505 » by **Crossroads24** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:22 pm

I'm assuming we're thinking Gordon can play PF? He's an inch or so shorter than McRoberts, but he's got pretty decent length and is a much better rebounder. If that's the case, I really hope this deal goes through. I've watched Hayward play quite a bit, and he's basically a rich man's version of McRoberts.

--Like Josh, he's a smart player that always makes the right play. That's the thing that always stands out the most. Incredibly high B-ball IQ.

--He's a great passer and a good ballhandler, so we could run the offense through him to take some pressure off Kemba. Again, very McBob-like in this regard.

--He's a good athlete and surprisingly good defender. I don't know the numbers, but he seems to get a lot of steals and deflections every time I watch him.

--He's a good shooter with range ... easily as good as Josh. I know his shooting numbers dipped, but that's because Utah had no paint presence (and really, no other scoring threats) to take the pressure off him. He can create shots, but it's not really his game.

--Lastly, he's got all the intangibles. Great teammate, great motor, extremely likeable, unselfish, and he hasn't yet hit his prime. He's also about as non-controversial as you can get. He honestly seems too nice out there at times ... he might need to work on that.

All that said, a max deal seems a little crazy. But since we're Charlotte and not the Lakers, I guess we have to overspend to get serious talent. FWIW, I'd much rather have Hayward than Carmelo

Hornet Mania · Post #506 » by **Hornet Mania** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:23 pm

Crazy overpay. Hayward's not a bad player to have, and a good fit for us, but you don't want to be one of the ignorant teams that tosses around the max so easily. None of them have ever prospered from that. And we threw in the trade kicker too. So if I understand how that works, at some point down the road if Hayward is mediocre we can't even unload him without talking the other team into eating the cost of the kicker too? As one of the Jazz fans said earlier, his agent is a smoother operator no doubt about it.

My preferred scenarios in descending order:

1. The Jazz match, we get nothing: We tried to make a splash, it didn't work out, but we also dodged the overpay bullet. Save our cap space for next season when Big Al, Kemba and to a lesser extent Biz all come calling for a raise. This imo is probably in the best interest of the team.

2. The Jazz decline to match, we take Hayward outright: It's a crazy overpay, but hey, he's an upgrade over Hendo. Jordan is a man of his word, this is a big splash in free agency. Team shows commitment to winning. I start praying Hayward makes the doubters eat crow and he puts up somewhere in the neighborhood of 20/5/5 on good percentages.

3. We S&T MKG for Hayward: This is the doomsday scenario, and I cannot stress enough how glad I am at the insiders insisting we've had no trade talks with the Jazz. I know some folks here aren't high on MKG, but you don't send out lottery talent AND overpay at the same time unless you're just begging to regret that move down the road. Swapping Hayward for MKG in the starting lineup could very well be a lateral move, with the offense rising and defense suffering. The only path to true improvement with Hayward, imo, is to pair him with MKG which fixes our spacing issues while also retaining a player to chase around the opponent's best wing. Sending out value, MKG or even Zeller qualify in my eyes, for an overpay would make it very likely we don't improve but pay more for the privilege of idling. That is what bad teams do, let's not be a bad team.

Sorry for the wall of text...I'm going to take a deep breath now. Hope this all works out in our best interests.

Fred Williamson · Post #507 » by **Fred Williamson** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:23 pm

Hayward at PF?

Oh, for the love of god

Post #508 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:25 pm

Gordon would get eaten alive by Zeller at PF, he is a SG

Crossroads24 · Post #509 » by **Crossroads24** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:26 pm

He's what, an inch shorter than McBob? And a much better rebounder/defender? Doesn't seem too crazy to think he could spend some time there.

Maybe the plan is to play MKG at 2 and Hayward at 3. Or maybe this is all for show, as MJ knows Utah will match

LofJ · Post #510 » by **LofJ** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:26 pm

That is exactly how I feel HornetMania. And Gordon is no way in hell a power forward. He has good reach for a shooting guard and below average reach for a small forward. He is definitely not a 4.

Post #511 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:27 pm

Crossroads24 wrote:He's what, an inch shorter than McBob? And a much better rebounder/defender? Doesn't seem too crazy to think he could spend some time there.

He has a 6-7 wingspan and weighs 220, he would get killed by PF's

LofJ · Post #512 » by **LofJ** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:30 pm

Our starting lineup (as of now) would be:

Walker
Hayward
MKG
Zeller
Jefferson

I'm praying we don't send out MKG for a sign and trade, my fandom for this team will honestly waver if that happens.

Crossroads24 · Post #513 » by **Crossroads24** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:41 pm

JDR720 wrote:
Crossroads24 wrote:He's what, an inch shorter than McBob? And a much better rebounder/defender? Doesn't seem too crazy to think he could spend some time there.

He has a 6-7 wingspan and weighs 220, he would get killed by PF's

Oh, wow .... thought he was longer than that. Nevermind the PF thing.

I still don't see him how anyone can call him a SG, but I think MKG can easily guard most 2's while Hayward matches up with the 3's.

Post #514 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:48 pm

I'm ok with it. Lance is getting this offer if Utah matches.

catch20two · Post #515 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:50 pm

Cho must be out of his rabbit ass mind.

Post #516 » by **Diop** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:50 pm

the only chance we had was to massively over pay and Jazz will probably still match it.

At the very least, I hope it gets the attention of the other free agents. Might make Parsons a little tougher for Houston to resign.

LofJ · Post #517 » by **LofJ** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:56 pm

Sachmo wrote:the only chance we had was to massively over pay and Jazz will probably still match it.

At the very least, I hope it gets the attention of the other free agents. Might make Parsons a little tougher for Houston to resign.

That's what I'm hoping happens. At the very least if Lance wasn't noticing us he should be now. And I'm all for making it harder for the other teams to pair up star players.

heater4life · Post #518 » by **heater4life** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 12:58 pm

I dont know what the feelings on this board are, but at that price, I dont like his addition to the Hornets.

Its insane how much money is being thrown out this FA offseason.

Post #519 » by **Diop** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:03 pm

heater4life wrote:I dont know what the feelings on this board are, but at that price, I dont like his addition to the Hornets.

Its insane how much money is being thrown out this FA offseason.

its really just a smoke screen, Utah will match it then we will sign Lebron to the max.

done deal.

Elden Payton · Post #520 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 1:04 pm

Sachmo wrote:
heater4life wrote:I dont know what the feelings on this board are, but at that price, I dont like his addition to the Hornets.

Its insane how much money is being thrown out this FA offseason.

its really just a smoke screen, Utah will match it then we will sign Lebron to the max.

done deal.

Makes sense.