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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#501 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 4:50 pm

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gp123 wrote:Not sure I agree with you on this one... I think Cleveland is pretty stocked and all the ring chasers will probably follow him anyway -- they could easily trade away players for better fit so it's not like they wouldn't have options with the roster.

Lebron + 5 dleague players pretty much gets you to the playoffs in the east... Hell I could be the starting center and they'd still probably have a shot at the 8th seed with him on the team.


Easier said than done. All those "Ring Chasers" don't just jump at the "Contenders". Lakers never had a ton of "ring chasers" and same with other teams. I seriuosly doubt that Cleveland team even with Kevin Love get to the finals with taht team. Lebron is great, but he can't do it along while a team with Love and Kyrie would just be killed on defense. That is a completley different style team than the Heat and Spurs. Defense wins championships.



I don't know about a ton but off the top head I remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone going to LA to chase a ring, it didn't work but before the season started they were all but crowned the Champs. If Bron goes back to Cleveland others will follow. They're already talking about Mike miller and Ray Allen going to Cleveland.

Also, I think a team of LeBron, Kyrie, Wiggins, Love and whoever gets out of the east easy.


With a defense like swiss cheese, I seriously doubt it. People are greatly overrating Love and Kyrie. Lebron better beware. The chemistry will be nothing like he thinks it will be. This could end up a horrible decision.
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Post#502 » by Big A All Day » Wed Jul 9, 2014 4:57 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:and the fact that, he left 40 million on the table by opting out.

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Miami will probably be forced to tank anyway, so they'll probably just resign DWade to the same 2 yr 40 mil deal.
you think? I guess its possible.

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Kyrie, Wiggins, Lebron, Love, some stiff starting @ C, Ray Allen and Mike miller is a better team than Miami had last year. I'd put my money on that team getting out of the east. Now how they would handle whoever made it out of the west is a different story.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#503 » by thelead » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:02 pm

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:and the fact that, he left 40 million on the table by opting out.

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Miami will probably be forced to tank anyway, so they'll probably just resign DWade to the same 2 yr 40 mil deal.
you think? I guess its possible.

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Post#504 » by gp123 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:04 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:It would be the biggest mistake of Lebrons life if he went back to Cleveland. He would be better off in Dallas, NY, Chicago or even LA. But, his best bet will always be Miami. They have the best spot and still have cap flexability in the future. Cleveland won't even make the finals with Lebron there.

Not sure I agree with you on this one... I think Cleveland is pretty stocked and all the ring chasers will probably follow him anyway -- they could easily trade away players for better fit so it's not like they wouldn't have options with the roster.

Lebron + 5 dleague players pretty much gets you to the playoffs in the east... Hell I could be the starting center and they'd still probably have a shot at the 8th seed with him on the team.


Easier said than done. All those "Ring Chasers" don't just jump at the "Contenders". Lakers never had a ton of "ring chasers" and same with other teams. I seriuosly doubt that Cleveland team even with Kevin Love get to the finals with taht team. Lebron is great, but he can't do it along while a team with Love and Kyrie would just be killed on defense. That is a completley different style team than the Heat and Spurs. Defense wins championships.


But a less-developed Lebron, on an arguably worst team, in a harder conference, already took them to the finals....
I think it will be harder to persuade the chasers to go to clevland vs Miami (taxes, weather, etc) but I think there are plenty of role players who would sign up.

I'm not sure either Miami, Knicks, or clevland Lebron lead team has enough juice to beat the top 4-5 wcf teams in a finals, but I would bet any ECF team with Lebron has to be a contender for winning the east.
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Post#505 » by Big A All Day » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:06 pm

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Easier said than done. All those "Ring Chasers" don't just jump at the "Contenders". Lakers never had a ton of "ring chasers" and same with other teams. I seriuosly doubt that Cleveland team even with Kevin Love get to the finals with taht team. Lebron is great, but he can't do it along while a team with Love and Kyrie would just be killed on defense. That is a completley different style team than the Heat and Spurs. Defense wins championships.


I Really hope it does blow up in their faces because the whole super team thing was horrible for everybody expect MIA LA BOS & NY anyways.

I'd love to break up the super friends and be the best team in FL again tho.


I don't know about a ton but off the top head I remember Gary Payton and Karl Malone going to LA to chase a ring, it didn't work but before the season started they were all but crowned the Champs. If Bron goes back to Cleveland others will follow. They're already talking about Mike miller and Ray Allen going to Cleveland.

Also, I think a team of LeBron, Kyrie, Wiggins, Love and whoever gets out of the east easy.


With a defense like swiss cheese, I seriously doubt it. People are greatly overrating Love and Kyrie. Lebron better beware. The chemistry will be nothing like he thinks it will be. This could end up a horrible decision.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#506 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:10 pm

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Easier said than done. All those "Ring Chasers" don't just jump at the "Contenders". Lakers never had a ton of "ring chasers" and same with other teams. I seriuosly doubt that Cleveland team even with Kevin Love get to the finals with taht team. Lebron is great, but he can't do it along while a team with Love and Kyrie would just be killed on defense. That is a completley different style team than the Heat and Spurs. Defense wins championships.


But a less-developed Lebron, on an arguably worst team, in a harder conference, already took them to the finals....
I think it will be harder to persuade the chasers to go to clevland vs Miami (taxes, weather, etc) but I think there are plenty of role players who would sign up.

I'm not sure either Miami, Knicks, or clevland Lebron lead team has enough juice to beat the top 4-5 wcf teams in a finals, but I would bet any ECF team with Lebron has to be a contender for winning the east.


I would still take a Riley led team over a Gilbert led team any day of the week regardless of what the talent looks like on "Paper."
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Post#507 » by Big A All Day » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:16 pm

Lol @ ESPN right now talking about Miami fans. "These fans aren't used to this. They're not used to being the underdog. There's panic" lol. Of course there not used to it n they won't have to deal with it either cuz they'll all probably be cavs fans again soon.
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Post#508 » by gp123 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:17 pm

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Easier said than done. All those "Ring Chasers" don't just jump at the "Contenders". Lakers never had a ton of "ring chasers" and same with other teams. I seriuosly doubt that Cleveland team even with Kevin Love get to the finals with taht team. Lebron is great, but he can't do it along while a team with Love and Kyrie would just be killed on defense. That is a completley different style team than the Heat and Spurs. Defense wins championships.


But a less-developed Lebron, on an arguably worst team, in a harder conference, already took them to the finals....
I think it will be harder to persuade the chasers to go to clevland vs Miami (taxes, weather, etc) but I think there are plenty of role players who would sign up.

I'm not sure either Miami, Knicks, or clevland Lebron lead team has enough juice to beat the top 4-5 wcf teams in a finals, but I would bet any ECF team with Lebron has to be a contender for winning the east.


I would still take a Riley led team over a Gilbert led team any day of the week regardless of what the talent looks like on "Paper."


There is merit to that, I agree. My point is any team with Lebron in the east is essentially a contender, and I would argue (Front offices being equal) that clevland has much more to work with as far as pieces in play to build a quality team for Lebron long run.
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Post#509 » by RYgoBOOM » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:28 pm

Big A All Day wrote:Lol @ ESPN right now talking about Miami fans. "These fans aren't used to this. They're not used to being the underdog. There's panic" lol. Of course there not used to it n they won't have to deal with it either cuz they'll all probably be cavs fans again soon.

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Post#510 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:41 pm

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There is merit to that, I agree. My point is any team with Lebron in the east is essentially a contender, and I would argue (Front offices being equal) that clevland has much more to work with as far as pieces in play to build a quality team for Lebron long run.


I am of the belief that Defense wins championships while a team of Lebron with Love and a bunch of unproven youngsters are not gonna do it even if Ray Allen, Battier and Mike Miller join that team. Not against Indy or any Western Conference champion. Not this year or any future year. It would be a bad decision by Bron. If he truly wants to leave Miami, there are better options.
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Post#511 » by Swiftraven » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:42 pm

David Aldridge has a good point about the 2016 potential FA class:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s2e00l

"Let's say LeBron takes a short, two-year deal to stay in Miami and keep the pressure on Riley & Co. This is, potentially, the free agent class of 2016: LeBron. Durant. Al Horford. Joe Johnson. Al Jefferson. Joakim Noah. Monta Ellis. Danilo Gallinari. David Lee. Roy Hibbert. Mike Conley. Nicolas Batum. DeMar DeRozan (player option). Nene. Not bad."
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Big A All Day wrote:Lol @ ESPN right now talking about Miami fans. "These fans aren't used to this. They're not used to being the underdog. There's panic" lol. Of course there not used to it n they won't have to deal with it either cuz they'll all probably be cavs fans again soon.

:lol: :lol:

I love the talk like Miami has been a powerhouse team since they entered the league. 1 championship, which was impressive, but other than that they've been pretty average for the amount of talent they've had (Mourning, PJ Brown, Mashburn, Steve Smith, Tim Hardaway, Rony Seikaly etc).
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#513 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:45 pm

j-ragg wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:
Big A All Day wrote:Lol @ ESPN right now talking about Miami fans. "These fans aren't used to this. They're not used to being the underdog. There's panic" lol. Of course there not used to it n they won't have to deal with it either cuz they'll all probably be cavs fans again soon.

:lol: :lol:

I love the talk like Miami has been a powerhouse team since they entered the league. 1 championship, which was impressive, but other than that they've been pretty average for the amount of talent they've had (Mourning, PJ Brown, Mashburn, Steve Smith, Tim Hardaway, Rony Seikaly etc).


Miami was not a contender in the late 90's, but those New York vs Miami battles were epic. Miami had its moments during the Zo years.
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Post#514 » by j_n » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:47 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone listen to the Simmons Lowe podcast where they call Henny a moron and say we are a direction less team like the Bucks? Ugh. Hope this works out for us.

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Bill Simmons wrote that after the Dwight trade:

LOSER: Orlando I knew the pupu platter was coming. You knew it was coming. Even Orlando’s fans knew it was coming. But when it actually happens and you’re staring at those lukewarm spareribs? Man … there’s nothing worse.

What Orlando sent out: Howard and nearly $30 million of cap-clogging contracts belonging to Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark.

What Orlando got back: Arron Afflalo, Nik Vucevic, Al Harrington, Mo Harkless, three protected first-rounders, cap space next summer, three soggy fried shrimp, six half-cooked egg rolls and four sweet-and-sour chicken skewers to be named later. Hey, at least there isn’t a storied history of NBA teams giving away superstars for 50 cents on the dollar, then totally regretting it after the fact … well, except for the two Wilt trades, the Kareem trade, the Dr. J trade, the T-Mac/Rockets trade, the Moses/Philly trade and the Barkley/Phoenix trade.

Was it a bad sign for Orlando that they got significantly less for the league’s only dominant center than the Hornets got for Chris Paul and the Nuggets got for Carmelo Anthony? I’m going out on a limb and saying “yes.” Had I been running the Magic, there would have been a zero percent chance — repeat: zero percent chance — that I was trading Howard unless I was getting Bynum back AND dumping Turkoglu’s contract. Without those two things, I’m just keeping Howard, letting the soap opera drag on and on for a few more months, then hoping I could do better in February.

And guess what? I’m pretty sure that, six months from now, Philly, Denver and the Lakers would all still want to do a four-team trade in which all of them made out great and the Magic made out like crap. I hate how Orlando handled this saga; I hate that they caved; and I hate this trade for them.


WINNER: The Sixers They finally made a real move! Who knew the Sixers could make trades and stuff???? I loved this particular risk for them — basically, they flipped Iguodala (with whom they never won anything), Harkless (a project), Nik Vucevic (a young banger with potential) and a protected first-rounder into the league’s second-best center and a proven/overpaid 2-guard who was out of shape for much of last year but isn’t washed up by any means (Jason Richardson).4 They bring Bynum closer to his hometown (New Jersey), throw him in the East (where he’s immediately the best center in the conference), give him his own team and his own grateful fan base (the Sixers fans have been starving for a signature guy since Iverson left), give him 20 shots a game (which he always wanted), and hope he likes playing with Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday and everyone else enough that he’ll extend long-term next summer.


It’s amazing that Orlando was so focused on dumping Richardson (someone who easily could have a big comeback year) over dumping Turkoglu (who makes more than Richardson and is what he is). Big mistake.Richardson’s the perfect fit for a low-post threat like Bynum — he spreads the floor and makes 3s. Sneaky-good move by Philly there.


LOSER: The Rockets After getting demolished by The Veto, they spent the last nine months gathering enough assets to land Howard or Bynum and hoping for a situation exactly like the one that played out this week: you know, Orlando finally panicking and needing a third team for their mega-trade. What happened? Philly and Denver snuck in there, leaving Houston GM Daryl Morey with the permanent McKayla’s Not Impressed Face. Why did Orlando settle for that Afflalo/Harkless/protected picks package when Houston was willing to recklessly overpay for Howard with young assets AND take on every bad Orlando contract? And while we’re here, why didn’t Orlando just grab last month’s Brooklyn offer of Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, one year of Kris Humphries and four unprotected first-rounders for Howard and the same contracts they shed in this four-teamer? Those are two great questions.


So, can you kill Morey for how it played out? Not for going all-in for a chance at Bynum or Howard, that’s for sure. He wanted to be on the board if those two chess pieces ever moved … and by the way, they moved. He just didn’t get them. But if you wanted to kill the Rockets for (a) turning Goran Dragic into Jeremy Lin, (b) recklessly amnestying Luis Scola when they didn’t have to do so, and (c) caring so much about cap space that they amnestied Scola during the same month that they shelled out $25 million to Omer Asik … I mean … (let’s just move on).


WINNER: The Lakers Couldn’t have played it any more perfectly these past six months: never biting on Orlando’s “No, we need Gasol AND Bynum” power play, steadfastly refusing to assume Hedo Turkoglu’s lousy contract in any Bynum deal, and pretending they weren’t that interested in Howard (even though the league’s third-best player was potentially falling into their laps). Once Howard’s most likely suitor (Brooklyn) panicked about losing Deron Williams and guaranteed their non-Howard future, the Lakers responded by making their team a little more Howard-friendly with Steve Nash (one of a handful of NBA players that EVERYONE wants to play with), then hoped Howard’s extended recovery stint in Los Angeles would nudge him toward saying, “Hey, you know what? Maybe playing in a celebrity-friendly, warm-weather market with Nash and Gasol would offset having to watch Kobe launch 23 shots a game for the next two years.”

And as always with the Lakers, it worked out: They flipped the league’s second-best center (a top-20 player) into the league’s best center (and third-best player in the league) without sacrificing anything else of substance. I wrote this a few weeks ago and I’m writing it again: If scientists could create basketball-playing robots from scratch and were asked to create someone to play with Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Nash, basically, they would create Dwight Howard: a ridiculously strong shot blocker/rebounder who can run the floor and doesn’t need the ball to be happy. In the span of 3.5 seconds, the Lakers went from “old, slow, can’t defend anybody” to “who’s stopping us?”
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Post#515 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:47 pm

Big A All Day wrote:Lol @ ESPN right now talking about Miami fans. "These fans aren't used to this. They're not used to being the underdog. There's panic" lol. Of course there not used to it n they won't have to deal with it either cuz they'll all probably be cavs fans again soon.

I know a Miami fan (actual fan) who is hoping he leaves.
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Post#516 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 5:56 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone listen to the Simmons Lowe podcast where they call Henny a moron and say we are a direction less team like the Bucks? Ugh. Hope this works out for us.

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Bill Simmons wrote that after the Dwight trade:

LOSER: Orlando I knew the pupu platter was coming. You knew it was coming. Even Orlando’s fans knew it was coming. But when it actually happens and you’re staring at those lukewarm spareribs? Man … there’s nothing worse.

What Orlando sent out: Howard and nearly $30 million of cap-clogging contracts belonging to Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark.

What Orlando got back: Arron Afflalo, Nik Vucevic, Al Harrington, Mo Harkless, three protected first-rounders, cap space next summer, three soggy fried shrimp, six half-cooked egg rolls and four sweet-and-sour chicken skewers to be named later. Hey, at least there isn’t a storied history of NBA teams giving away superstars for 50 cents on the dollar, then totally regretting it after the fact … well, except for the two Wilt trades, the Kareem trade, the Dr. J trade, the T-Mac/Rockets trade, the Moses/Philly trade and the Barkley/Phoenix trade.

Was it a bad sign for Orlando that they got significantly less for the league’s only dominant center than the Hornets got for Chris Paul and the Nuggets got for Carmelo Anthony? I’m going out on a limb and saying “yes.” Had I been running the Magic, there would have been a zero percent chance — repeat: zero percent chance — that I was trading Howard unless I was getting Bynum back AND dumping Turkoglu’s contract. Without those two things, I’m just keeping Howard, letting the soap opera drag on and on for a few more months, then hoping I could do better in February.

And guess what? I’m pretty sure that, six months from now, Philly, Denver and the Lakers would all still want to do a four-team trade in which all of them made out great and the Magic made out like crap. I hate how Orlando handled this saga; I hate that they caved; and I hate this trade for them.


WINNER: The Sixers They finally made a real move! Who knew the Sixers could make trades and stuff???? I loved this particular risk for them — basically, they flipped Iguodala (with whom they never won anything), Harkless (a project), Nik Vucevic (a young banger with potential) and a protected first-rounder into the league’s second-best center and a proven/overpaid 2-guard who was out of shape for much of last year but isn’t washed up by any means (Jason Richardson).4 They bring Bynum closer to his hometown (New Jersey), throw him in the East (where he’s immediately the best center in the conference), give him his own team and his own grateful fan base (the Sixers fans have been starving for a signature guy since Iverson left), give him 20 shots a game (which he always wanted), and hope he likes playing with Evan Turner, Jrue Holiday and everyone else enough that he’ll extend long-term next summer.


It’s amazing that Orlando was so focused on dumping Richardson (someone who easily could have a big comeback year) over dumping Turkoglu (who makes more than Richardson and is what he is). Big mistake.Richardson’s the perfect fit for a low-post threat like Bynum — he spreads the floor and makes 3s. Sneaky-good move by Philly there.


LOSER: The Rockets After getting demolished by The Veto, they spent the last nine months gathering enough assets to land Howard or Bynum and hoping for a situation exactly like the one that played out this week: you know, Orlando finally panicking and needing a third team for their mega-trade. What happened? Philly and Denver snuck in there, leaving Houston GM Daryl Morey with the permanent McKayla’s Not Impressed Face. Why did Orlando settle for that Afflalo/Harkless/protected picks package when Houston was willing to recklessly overpay for Howard with young assets AND take on every bad Orlando contract? And while we’re here, why didn’t Orlando just grab last month’s Brooklyn offer of Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, one year of Kris Humphries and four unprotected first-rounders for Howard and the same contracts they shed in this four-teamer? Those are two great questions.


So, can you kill Morey for how it played out? Not for going all-in for a chance at Bynum or Howard, that’s for sure. He wanted to be on the board if those two chess pieces ever moved … and by the way, they moved. He just didn’t get them. But if you wanted to kill the Rockets for (a) turning Goran Dragic into Jeremy Lin, (b) recklessly amnestying Luis Scola when they didn’t have to do so, and (c) caring so much about cap space that they amnestied Scola during the same month that they shelled out $25 million to Omer Asik … I mean … (let’s just move on).


WINNER: The Lakers Couldn’t have played it any more perfectly these past six months: never biting on Orlando’s “No, we need Gasol AND Bynum” power play, steadfastly refusing to assume Hedo Turkoglu’s lousy contract in any Bynum deal, and pretending they weren’t that interested in Howard (even though the league’s third-best player was potentially falling into their laps). Once Howard’s most likely suitor (Brooklyn) panicked about losing Deron Williams and guaranteed their non-Howard future, the Lakers responded by making their team a little more Howard-friendly with Steve Nash (one of a handful of NBA players that EVERYONE wants to play with), then hoped Howard’s extended recovery stint in Los Angeles would nudge him toward saying, “Hey, you know what? Maybe playing in a celebrity-friendly, warm-weather market with Nash and Gasol would offset having to watch Kobe launch 23 shots a game for the next two years.”

And as always with the Lakers, it worked out: They flipped the league’s second-best center (a top-20 player) into the league’s best center (and third-best player in the league) without sacrificing anything else of substance. I wrote this a few weeks ago and I’m writing it again: If scientists could create basketball-playing robots from scratch and were asked to create someone to play with Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Nash, basically, they would create Dwight Howard: a ridiculously strong shot blocker/rebounder who can run the floor and doesn’t need the ball to be happy. In the span of 3.5 seconds, the Lakers went from “old, slow, can’t defend anybody” to “who’s stopping us?”

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Post#517 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 6:15 pm

I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.
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Post#518 » by Def Swami » Wed Jul 9, 2014 6:23 pm

Zach Lowe writes on the Magic off-season.

Charlotte’s play marks an interesting contrast to Orlando, which has used its cap space on Channing Frye and a preposterous contract for banished Hornet Ben Gordon. Those two will earn about $12 million combined next season, less than Hayward, and the Hornets may come up empty here anyway. But I’d rather see a rebuilding team go hard at another young pseudo-star — Hayward, Eric Bledsoe, Chandler Parsons, Greg Monroe — than tie up cap space on middling veterans.

The Magic have clearly decided to punt restricted free agency for now, concluding correctly it would result in them paying a “B” player “A” money. And they’re still slated to have about $14 million in cap space to play with after July 10, with plenty of future flexibility. They could have used all of that room to help the Cavs clear LeBron-level cap space, as Boston just did in nabbing two useful assets — a first-round pick and Tyler Zeller — as the price for swallowing Marcus Thornton’s expiring contract.

The Cavs reached out to the Magic and just about every other team with the requisite room, but Boston used its leftover trade exception to pounce first. Wringing Zeller and a protected Cleveland first-rounder is a nice touch; Zeller found his footing last season as a useful bench big, and picks are always handy when you’re trying to get Flip Saunders to answer his damn phone.

Perhaps Orlando didn’t want Thornton’s deal, which would have left it with only about $6 million in cap room going into the season. That would have limited its ability to work as a dumping ground in exchange for assets, but that’s exactly what Boston just did. Maybe the Magic think a better opportunity is coming down the road. Orlando and other teams also had to at least think about the roster consequenses of taking on three players.


Chasing one of those restricted free agents would have tied up Orlando’s cap space as other targets signed, but if your targets are Frye and Gordon, there’s not much damage. You can see what the Magic are doing — Frye and Gordon are shooters, and the Magic need shooting. Frye is a killer pick-and-pop guy with a lightning-fast release. Defenders in the pick-and-roll are scared to help off him, which opens driving lanes for ball handlers. Goran Dragic raved about how clear the floor was when working with Frye, and Orlando’s collection of slashers, starting with Victor Oladipo, will feel that breathing space after working with a bunch of nonthreatening shooters.

Bledsoe would have been an interesting target for them, but he has some skill overlap with Oladipo, and the Magic probably have other point guard targets over the next summer or two. They also have to weigh an extension for Nikola Vucevic, which means playing the same poker game Utah played with Hayward a year ago.

Vucevic is a decent two-way player and a voracious rebounder, and 6-foot-10 guys who fit that description generally get eight figures. But Vucevic was a low enough draft pick that his cap hold would be only $6.75 million next summer if he remains a free agent, meaning the Magic could preserve at least $3 million or $4 million in cap room for July 2015 by declining to offer him an extension now. Is that worth the risk of having to overpay him in restricted free agency, as Utah is going to have to do with Hayward?


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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#519 » by OrlandoNed » Wed Jul 9, 2014 6:25 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.

Oh my god shut up. :banghead:

We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move. :banghead:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#520 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jul 9, 2014 6:28 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I still think Henny should have not traded Dwight without dumping Hedo's or some other albatross contract.

Oh my god shut up. :banghead:

We got rid of Jason Richardson and Duhon in the trade. We bought out Hedo for half of what he was owed in his final year. Hedo was easier to get rid of than Richardson and Duhon so trading those 2 was the correct move. :banghead:


We bought out Hedo for what Richardson still got paid!
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