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EscapoTHB wrote:If Lebron leaves, it would be awesome if Riley reloads with Melo, keeps Bosh, Wade takes a paycut so they can add Gasol.
Shabbaaz
Wade
Melo
Bosh
Gasol
Mcroberts
Birdman
Cole
I think that crushes Lebron plus a bunch of inexperienced kids.
Run DLC wrote:Lol @ some of you guys thinking that Bosh would stick around if LeBron is gone. Bosh already knows he can get more and similar money in Houston, and he knows that Wade would miss 20+ games in the regular season, etc. Why would he stick around?
Pat Riley wrote:There are only two options regarding commitment. You're either IN or you're OUT. There is no such thing as life in-between.
James Johnson wrote:The culture is REAL.
MiaFLSurf wrote:Four straight finals!
Every year he was here!!!
Every time!!!
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
What else did he want? Hahahaha.
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EscapoTHB wrote:If Lebron leaves, it would be awesome if Riley reloads with Melo, keeps Bosh, Wade takes a paycut so they can add Gasol.
Shabbaaz
Wade
Melo
Bosh
Gasol
Mcroberts
Birdman
Cole
I think that crushes Lebron plus a bunch of inexperienced kids.
mopper8 wrote:there's no point to a S&T, the contract is the same regardless. at the very least, that part of that report is incorrect
Eddie20 wrote:mopper8 wrote:Guys, there will be no S&T no matter what, the contract is the same regardless. Forget about that (and that tweet)
Incorrect. Heat can offer a 5 yr deal with 7.5% raises, while the Cavs can only provide him with a 4 yr deal with 7.5% raises. So a S&T will give James that 5th year and more overall money.
92. Why would teams or players want to do a sign-and-trade?
Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.
DragicTime85 wrote:[Ric Bucher] has a tiny wiener and I can prove it.
mopper8 wrote:Eddie20 wrote:mopper8 wrote:Guys, there will be no S&T no matter what, the contract is the same regardless. Forget about that (and that tweet)
Incorrect. Heat can offer a 5 yr deal with 7.5% raises, while the Cavs can only provide him with a 4 yr deal with 7.5% raises. So a S&T will give James that 5th year and more overall money.
No, my info is right, and yours is wrong92. Why would teams or players want to do a sign-and-trade?
Teams benefit because they can get something in return for players they would otherwise lose to free agency. For players the benefits are limited. Under previous CBAs a player who qualified could receive a full Bird contract and go to the team of his choice, which encouraged the player to seek a sign-and-trade once he decided to play elsewhere. Under the current CBA a player receives the same contract via sign-and-trade (four years, 4.5% raises) that he could get by signing with his new team directly, and can receive a larger Bird contract only if he stays with his previous team. In addition, it is much simpler for the player to sign directly with his new team, as a sign-and-trade has to be agreed to by three parties rather than two. A player is really only forced to seek a sign-and-trade if he wants to go to a team that is capped-out (or doesn't have enough cap room to give the player his full starting salary) and can't sign him directly.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92
DeeDub wrote:mopper8 wrote:there's no point to a S&T, the contract is the same regardless. at the very least, that part of that report is incorrect
Well, there's the difference in the raises (4.5% vs. 7.5%) and the extra year (although on a short deal, which LeBron supposedly wants, that doesn't matter).
DragicTime85 wrote:[Ric Bucher] has a tiny wiener and I can prove it.
An0nym1ty wrote:If he stays, amazing. Perfect. I'll love it.
But if he leaves, I'm at peace, and any true Heat fan should be. I saw the 15 win season. The year after we were right back in the postseason. I saw the two years after the Mourning/Hardaway core was broken up for good. Right after that we drafted DWade, stole Lamar Odom, and then flipped him with a few others for Shaq.
If LeBron becomes a Cavalier, the rest of the NBA is gonna talk **** for a while, praise him for doing the exact thing they hated him for doing four years ago, and then throw themselves a party because they think it will be the demise of the Heat. But this **** team survived Allan Houston, focal glomerulosclerosis, and a sabotaging Shaq. Even if it doesn't happen right away, we'll be alright.
dcee101 wrote:Run DLC wrote:Arison **** up big time. You asked your best players to take paycuts, and you still cut off one their best teammates and friends off the team just to save a few bucks. So what that Miller was injured constantly, he was still a major contributor to the team and hit big shots when needed to. I definitely think the meeting with Riley is a farewell meeting. I think he'd rather tell them in person instead of texting or calling about it.
If Lebron is leaving because Mike Miller was let go, then let his primadonaa ass hit the door on the way out.
**** him if that's the case.
EscapoTHB wrote:If Lebron leaves, it would be awesome if Riley reloads with Melo, keeps Bosh, Wade takes a paycut so they can add Gasol.
Shabbaaz
Wade
Melo
Bosh
Gasol
Mcroberts
Birdman
Cole
I think that crushes Lebron plus a bunch of inexperienced kids.
An0nym1ty wrote:If he stays, amazing. Perfect. I'll love it.
But if he leaves, I'm at peace, and any true Heat fan should be. I saw the 15 win season. The year after we were right back in the postseason. I saw the two years after the Mourning/Hardaway core was broken up for good. Right after that we drafted DWade, stole Lamar Odom, and then flipped him with a few others for Shaq.
If LeBron becomes a Cavalier, the rest of the NBA is gonna talk **** for a while, praise him for doing the exact thing they hated him for doing four years ago, and then throw themselves a party because they think it will be the demise of the Heat. But this **** team survived Allan Houston, focal glomerulosclerosis, and a sabotaging Shaq. Even if it doesn't happen right away, we'll be alright.
