Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[KingWing]

IF phoenix is even willing to consider letting him go......the cost for Bledsoe is going to be next years pick plus knight and ersan in a s/t id be guessing.

im not ready to pull that trigger even tho it makes me churn to think about it. Bledsoe/giannis/ parker is enough to maybe go for it imo. but realistically, even as bold as I am in these types of deals.....I think id still play it safe and hang up the phone.

anyway.... im done with any speculation about this. its pointless to discuss if our pick isn't on the table. I think maybe were embarrassing ourselves if we think we could get Bledsoe without that going out.

Not a good idea to trade a first for the privilege of maxing out Bledsoe.

as I said.... I agree. I just think that if were going to discuss this anymore then we need to put our money where our mouth is as far as what it would take to get him. right now a lot of folks would be on board with acquiring him.....but I think that support drops to virtually none if we are really trying to be practical with what it would take to get him here.

I think you're right then. Having to give up major assets in order to sign him is too big a pill for most - myself included - to swallow. You'd have to be a big time believer in this guy to do that.

[LUKE23]

I could see it happening. That would leave us with two pretty nice asset additions at a cost of $15M. But those are the type of deals we should be pursuing with our cap space. Not signing Greivis Vasquez.

That would leave our 25U assets as:

Wolters
Knight
Middleton
Inglis
Giannis
Parker
Sanders
Henson
O'Bryant
Capela

With two 2015 1sts coming.

Maybe we can get something else of value for Ilyasova.

Could do a lot worse than that.

[Badgerlander]

I could see it happening. That would leave us with two pretty nice asset additions at a cost of $15M. But those are the type of deals we should be pursuing with our cap space. Not signing Greivis Vasquez.

That would leave our 25U assets as:

Wolters
Knight
Middleton
Inglis
Giannis
Parker
Sanders
Henson
O'Bryant
Capela

With two 2015 1sts coming.

Maybe we can get something else of value for Ilyasova.

Could do a lot worse than that.

Lin is 25 also. The problem is that Hinkie and Morey are friends so the Sixers might be willing to take less.

[HurricaneKid]

The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.

Its a 3 day wait (including weeknds) from when he would sign, though I am increasingly in the camp that it gets matched pretty fast.

At any moment? Hou would need to GUT their roster to make room for that deal. And the Lin deal isn't on the table until it becomes necessary (its not a deal you can make right now).

[HurricaneKid]

Pretty shocked at the steep price Cle paid to dump Jack at ~6M for two years. If they aren't getting LeBron it is going to look AWFUL.

[[MIKE C]]

Man, I miss me some Buck Pack. I mean, am i right?!? Or am I right?!? How the mighty have fallen...




[*]At first glance this appears as a repost of a photobucket image. In actuality, this was painted with my tears

Need to fly the BP flag at half mast. Really missing his input right now.

[Bernman]

Its a 3 day wait (including weeknds) from when he would sign, though I am increasingly in the camp that it gets matched pretty fast.

At any moment? Hou would need to GUT their roster to make room for that deal. And the Lin deal isn't on the table until it becomes necessary (its not a deal you can make right now).

I knew the official length of the wait. I was projecting total time from now by factoring in that it's one day until the moratorium ends and then most deals aren't going to happen immediately. So I reasonably gave it about 5 days (3 + 2).

And yes, the Lin trade to Philly or someone else could happen just about at any moment now. They already made the offer to Bosh, they don't need to gut their roster after already trading Asik too, but they do need to move Lin to make it work, period.

So I'm leaning now toward just wanting the Bucks to try to make the Lin + assets deal first and foremost. Then if that can't happen within the next couple of days, try the sky hook for Bledsoe.

[europa]

Can someone give me what they think is a realistic offer the Bucks could make for Lin given how Houston is not looking to add salary?

[LUKE23]

I'm pretty sure we could just absorb Lin due to his cap hit being around $9M (actual paid salary $15M) and us being $11-12M under. We'd have to send a 2nd to Houston to make it official. Send them a 2017 2nd or whatever.

Like I said, Pelicans 1st and/or Capela. Gimme.

[[MIKE C]]

Can someone give me what they think is a realistic offer the Bucks could make for Lin given how Houston is not looking to add salary?

We have the cap room to absorb Lin, right? And the Rockets need to move him to sign Bosh. So it isn't what offer can the Bucks make for Lin, it's what offer can Houston make for us to take Lin off their hands.

[europa]

You guys are right. Sorry bout that. My mistake.

Carry on.

[emunney]

The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.

I agree with this. Honestly though, Capela or the Pelicans 1st are the only things I'd really accept to spend $15M on Lin for a year. Preferrably the Pelicans 1st.

Pelicans 1st is like 11-19, I think. We'd have to get Capela or that pick, but more than that.

I would say it'd have to be (Capela OR Pels pick) + (Papanikolaou OR Houston pick) + (Llull OR cash). The Cavs just gave up Zeller, Karasev and a first to clear Jack.

[emunney]

I'm pretty sure we could just absorb Lin due to his cap hit being around $9M (actual paid salary $15M) and us being $11-12M under. We'd have to send a 2nd to Houston to make it official. Send them a 2017 2nd or whatever.

Like I said, Pelicans 1st and/or Capela. Gimme.

We wouldn't have to add a second. We could send the rights to Albert Miralles.

[Newz]

Getting something like Lin + Capela + 1st for next to nothing would be amazing. Especially because I like Lin as a player as opposed to him just being a big, dead contract.

[LUKE23]

True. Jack was a two year deal though correct? I know that we would actually pay Lin more in one year than the Nets pay Jack in two, but the expiring element is also a big factor. Obviously, I'd love to get more than what I posted above, but would do it for that if we didn't have other chances to pull assets from another team.

[theFireBlanket]

The way things are going with other free agents and trades, plus what would be approximately a 5-day wait for Bledsoe even if he does sign our sheet, I'd almost as soon just pursue the Lin + assets deal as plan A. Jack + assets is now off the table as plan C, Bosh could pull the trigger to go to Houston at any moment, and Phoenix don't look that promising to land any other fa's besides Bledsoe. We wait the 5 days, and there is a good chance we end up with no viable point guard or assets gained with this cap space.

I agree with this. Honestly though, Capela or the Pelicans 1st are the only things I'd really accept to spend $15M on Lin for a year. Preferrably the Pelicans 1st.

Pelicans 1st is like 11-19, I think. We'd have to get Capela or that pick, but more than that.

I would say it'd have to be (Capela OR Pels pick) + (Pananikolaou OR Houston pick) + (Llull OR cash). The Cavs just gave up Zeller, Karasev and a first to clear Jack.

JJack is on that deal through 16-17 and Lin expires next year, so the available return on those two aren't very comparable unfortunately.

[Chuck Diesel]

I know Llull signed a massive extension with Madrid not too long ago but if he ever came to the NBA I think it would be a situation like ours with lots of guaranteed playing time.

[emunney]

True. Jack was a two year deal though correct? I know that we would actually pay Lin more in one year than the Nets pay Jack in two, but the expiring element is also a big factor. Obviously, I'd love to get more than what I posted above, but would do it for that if we didn't have other chances to pull assets from another team.

I don't think the expiring part matters enough to offset the fact that Lin is getting more money and also has a higher cap figure this year.

[emunney]

I agree with this. Honestly though, Capela or the Pelicans 1st are the only things I'd really accept to spend $15M on Lin for a year. Preferrably the Pelicans 1st.

Pelicans 1st is like 11-19, I think. We'd have to get Capela or that pick, but more than that.

I would say it'd have to be (Capela OR Pels pick) + (Pananikolaou OR Houston pick) + (Llull OR cash). The Cavs just gave up Zeller, Karasev and a first to clear Jack.

JJack is on that deal through 16-17 and Lin expires next year, so the available return on those two aren't very comparable unfortunately.

How so? These teams are trying to clear cap space right now.

[theFireBlanket]

Pelicans 1st is like 11-19, I think. We'd have to get Capela or that pick, but more than that.

I would say it'd have to be (Capela OR Pels pick) + (Pananikolaou OR Houston pick) + (Llull OR cash). The Cavs just gave up Zeller, Karasev and a first to clear Jack.

JJack is on that deal through 16-17 and Lin expires next year, so the available return on those two aren't very comparable unfortunately.

How so? These teams are trying to clear cap space right now.

a) I'm just pointing out that the return for taking on an expiring vs. a deal that runs for 3 seasons is going to be relatively less.
b) Lin is arguably a better player and commodity at pg than Jack
c)The 76ers could offer to take him for less return, so there's also the matter of competition. As it's been pointed out Hinkie goes back with Morey.