Dallas, Lakers, and Boston Interested in Lance

[Indy4Life]

While Lance may be our best passer, he is also our weakness in the passing chain. If you were to rewatch the playoff series against the Heat, there are SEVERAL possessions where we are moving the ball around the perimeter and then it gets to Lance. He would ALWAYS fake the pass and then pound the ball for a few dribbles prior to trying to go 1-on-1 or taking the step back 3 (VERY LOW % shot for LS).

I am ready to move on for the better of the team. We may not get a statistical equivalent, but there are players that would fit better with this roster.

[Scoot McGroot]

How do we know it was lance who divides the locker room? Maybe it's Hibbert or George Hill. Lance is the best passer on the team I'd rather give him the point and see what he can do. Now I know that he makes some crazy passes at times, but I've seen him make a massive jump the last two years. If he continues to improve and mature he could be a great player.

Comparing Lance to Spreewell and Rider is not fair what has he done to warrant such scorn?

Sprewell? Both have physically assaulted people close to them in their lives; Spree his coach, and Lance his GF. Crazy antics on court like blowing in the ear of Lebron. Constant weird comments in public.

There are legit questions about Lance. Serious talent, but serious maturity and responsibility questions.


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So he blew in Lebrons ear; while trying to get in his head and win a playoff game; and hit his gf which might I add you dont have a clue that he really did; or what she did that couldve caused it. It was alleged; and she got paid; you know ppl do crazy things to get paid now days. Like the alleged Kobe rape. None of that warrants the term character issues. Im beginning to think that some of the fans want to see the man in a halfway house in a straight jacket. He may be smart to leave Indy considering that the teams exec (Bird) and fans have slandered him so bad. No other teammates around the league labels a guy "bad lance" "bad Stephen Jackson" "bad demarcus cousins" or bad "Ben Roethlisburger" you know the one who alleged raped someone. In his position I would probably leave just because of that.

Yeah, he did something absolutely stupid and blew in Lebrons ear after being told by the man who protected and guided him not to do stupid stuff.


And he's, he paid off a woman whom he threw down stairs and violently assaulted. Whatever she did doesn't matter. She didn't deserve to be violently assaulted, and victims shouldn't be automatically blamed simply because it paints our favorite athletes in a negative light for their own actions.

Kobe takes a girl. So did Rosthlisberger (in addition to other sexual assaults). They have to carry that around their career. Lance shouldn't get a completely free pass. Has he been better? Yup. Is living in a quieter place like Indy better for him? Seems like it. Has he lost all value as a human being? Nope. However, doesn't mean that his past transgressions aren't still in his last that he has to own. Doesn't mean that he still doesn't sometimes create issues in the locker room.

We had to keep Rasual Butler as a veteran and placed him next to Lance all year to tutor and supervise him because he had issues all year. Clark Kellogg spent hours with him every day to train him for interviews, press conferences, and public appearances, as well as recalling how he did well, and how he screwed up.

He has talent, a massive amount. He's shown growth in his career. But he still has outbursts, bouts of idiocy, and causing rifts in the locker room. To act as if he's now immune, or a perfect teammate and citizens. Just isn't accurate.

I'm not trying to paint the guy in a hugely negative light. I'm simply recalling what he's done and what we've had to do to recover or compensate for him. We'd all love to have him, but maybe we can't afford him. And he's not a sure thing.


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[SmashMouthRod]

Yeah, he did something absolutely stupid and blew in Lebrons ear after being told by the man who protected and guided him not to do stupid stuff.


And he's, he paid off a woman whom he threw down stairs and violently assaulted. Whatever she did doesn't matter. She didn't deserve to be violently assaulted, and victims shouldn't be automatically blamed simply because it paints our favorite athletes in a negative light for their own actions.

Kobe takes a girl. So did Rosthlisberger (in addition to other sexual assaults). They have to carry that around their career. Lance shouldn't get a completely free pass. Has he been better? Yup. Is living in a quieter place like Indy better for him? Seems like it. Has he lost all value as a human being? Nope. However, doesn't mean that his past transgressions aren't still in his last that he has to own. Doesn't mean that he still doesn't sometimes create issues in the locker room.

We had to keep Rasual Butler as a veteran and placed him next to Lance all year to tutor and supervise him because he had issues all year. Clark Kellogg spent hours with him every day to train him for interviews, press conferences, and public appearances, as well as recalling how he did well, and how he screwed up.

He has talent, a massive amount. He's shown growth in his career. But he still has outbursts, bouts of idiocy, and causing rifts in the locker room. To act as if he's now immune, or a perfect teammate and citizens. Just isn't accurate.

I'm not trying to paint the guy in a hugely negative light. I'm simply recalling what he's done and what we've had to do to recover or compensate for him. We'd all love to have him, but maybe we can't afford him. And he's not a sure thing.


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My point is that he allegedly threw a woman down the stairs. You werent there. And You bring up the fact that Rasual Butler was a vet presence for Lance as if No other Young players around the league get similar treatment. And Guess what? what Kellogg did was nothing special because all young players have to be taught how to handle the media; and what to say and what not to say. Causing rifts in the locker? If your refering to the TUrner situation guess what? that happens on every good team. Kobe and Shaq fought. DUrant and Westbrook have argued. You are painting him in a negative light because this thread was about teams being interested in him and look at what you decided to say about him as if that was the topic. You are entitled to your opinion of Lance but from your description of him I would think he was on trial for several murders. The guy is 23. Came in the league at 19. I would bet my money that you didnt do everything correctly at 19.

[MNPacersfan]

Kravitz today:
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/kr ... /12351467/

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, he did something absolutely stupid and blew in Lebrons ear after being told by the man who protected and guided him not to do stupid stuff.


And he's, he paid off a woman whom he threw down stairs and violently assaulted. Whatever she did doesn't matter. She didn't deserve to be violently assaulted, and victims shouldn't be automatically blamed simply because it paints our favorite athletes in a negative light for their own actions.

Kobe takes a girl. So did Rosthlisberger (in addition to other sexual assaults). They have to carry that around their career. Lance shouldn't get a completely free pass. Has he been better? Yup. Is living in a quieter place like Indy better for him? Seems like it. Has he lost all value as a human being? Nope. However, doesn't mean that his past transgressions aren't still in his last that he has to own. Doesn't mean that he still doesn't sometimes create issues in the locker room.

We had to keep Rasual Butler as a veteran and placed him next to Lance all year to tutor and supervise him because he had issues all year. Clark Kellogg spent hours with him every day to train him for interviews, press conferences, and public appearances, as well as recalling how he did well, and how he screwed up.

He has talent, a massive amount. He's shown growth in his career. But he still has outbursts, bouts of idiocy, and causing rifts in the locker room. To act as if he's now immune, or a perfect teammate and citizens. Just isn't accurate.

I'm not trying to paint the guy in a hugely negative light. I'm simply recalling what he's done and what we've had to do to recover or compensate for him. We'd all love to have him, but maybe we can't afford him. And he's not a sure thing.


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My point is that he allegedly threw a woman down the stairs. You werent there. And You bring up the fact that Rasual Butler was a vet presence for Lance as if No other Young players around the league get similar treatment. And Guess what? what Kellogg did was nothing special because all young players have to be taught how to handle the media; and what to say and what not to say. Causing rifts in the locker? If your refering to the TUrner situation guess what? that happens on every good team. Kobe and Shaq fought. DUrant and Westbrook have argued. You are painting him in a negative light because this thread was about teams being interested in him and look at what you decided to say about him as if that was the topic. You are entitled to your opinion of Lance but from your description of him I would think he was on trial for several murders. The guy is 23. Came in the league at 19. I would bet my money that you didnt do everything correctly at 19.

You're greatly exaggerating. I did nothing more than bring up he fact that Lance severely assaulted a girlfriend (that his father tacitly acknowledged, and Bird addressed), and has been tougher to deal with than most. Yeah, rookies get that treatment that Lance gets. Lance is a 4th year player, though, that gets more special treatment and "parenting" than all the rest of our rookies over the last 4+ years combined. Lance "allegedly", yet widely "reportedly" caused many more issues in the locker room than just Turner. Over the last two years he as called out for immature stuff by Paul George, George Hill, Roy Hibbert, and David West, in addition to the Evan Turner issue.

He's a great player, but merely acknowledging the facts of his career is akin to painting him as a serial murderer? He's a risk. Just like Ron Artest was. Both supremely talented, yet not always playing well balanced.

And, I was not perfect at 19. But I certainly didn't assault a girlfriend, nor did I blame victims of domestic violence for having deserved it. But I thank you for attempting to insinuate that I did.

This is a thread about a player. I'm not sure why you're offended to the facts of said player being discussed.


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[mikepacernation]

I really don't know why Dallas would want lance. They have monta Ellis which to be effective needs the ball then add lance who also needs the ball to be effective I think that would be a horrible pairing same with Chicago with Roae needing the ball to be effective.


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[MillerTheKiller]

Yeah, he did something absolutely stupid and blew in Lebrons ear after being told by the man who protected and guided him not to do stupid stuff.


And he's, he paid off a woman whom he threw down stairs and violently assaulted. Whatever she did doesn't matter. She didn't deserve to be violently assaulted, and victims shouldn't be automatically blamed simply because it paints our favorite athletes in a negative light for their own actions.

Kobe takes a girl. So did Rosthlisberger (in addition to other sexual assaults). They have to carry that around their career. Lance shouldn't get a completely free pass. Has he been better? Yup. Is living in a quieter place like Indy better for him? Seems like it. Has he lost all value as a human being? Nope. However, doesn't mean that his past transgressions aren't still in his last that he has to own. Doesn't mean that he still doesn't sometimes create issues in the locker room.

We had to keep Rasual Butler as a veteran and placed him next to Lance all year to tutor and supervise him because he had issues all year. Clark Kellogg spent hours with him every day to train him for interviews, press conferences, and public appearances, as well as recalling how he did well, and how he screwed up.

He has talent, a massive amount. He's shown growth in his career. But he still has outbursts, bouts of idiocy, and causing rifts in the locker room. To act as if he's now immune, or a perfect teammate and citizens. Just isn't accurate.

I'm not trying to paint the guy in a hugely negative light. I'm simply recalling what he's done and what we've had to do to recover or compensate for him. We'd all love to have him, but maybe we can't afford him. And he's not a sure thing.


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My point is that he allegedly threw a woman down the stairs. You werent there. And You bring up the fact that Rasual Butler was a vet presence for Lance as if No other Young players around the league get similar treatment. And Guess what? what Kellogg did was nothing special because all young players have to be taught how to handle the media; and what to say and what not to say. Causing rifts in the locker? If your refering to the TUrner situation guess what? that happens on every good team. Kobe and Shaq fought. DUrant and Westbrook have argued. You are painting him in a negative light because this thread was about teams being interested in him and look at what you decided to say about him as if that was the topic. You are entitled to your opinion of Lance but from your description of him I would think he was on trial for several murders. The guy is 23. Came in the league at 19. I would bet my money that you didnt do everything correctly at 19.

Nah he did throw her down the stairs. Don't ignore it. He's a **** of a person but a great baller.

[basketballwacko2]

My point is that he allegedly threw a woman down the stairs. You werent there. And You bring up the fact that Rasual Butler was a vet presence for Lance as if No other Young players around the league get similar treatment. And Guess what? what Kellogg did was nothing special because all young players have to be taught how to handle the media; and what to say and what not to say. Causing rifts in the locker? If your refering to the TUrner situation guess what? that happens on every good team. Kobe and Shaq fought. DUrant and Westbrook have argued. You are painting him in a negative light because this thread was about teams being interested in him and look at what you decided to say about him as if that was the topic. You are entitled to your opinion of Lance but from your description of him I would think he was on trial for several murders. The guy is 23. Came in the league at 19. I would bet my money that you didnt do everything correctly at 19.

For all we know that chick fell down the stairs on her own while they were arguing, an Lance was barely 19 when it happened. It's not like the Ron Artest thing where we all saw him go running up in the stands and punch some Harry Potter looking dude who wasn't even the guy who threw the beer. Or the Stephen Jackson Club Rio incident we all remember!!

[basketballwacko2]

Sprewell? Both have physically assaulted people close to them in their lives; Spree his coach, and Lance his GF. Crazy antics on court like blowing in the ear of Lebron. Constant weird comments in public.

There are legit questions about Lance. Serious talent, but serious maturity and responsibility questions.


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I'm not buying that Lance threw some bimbo down the stairs, she probably tossed herself down the stairs thinking she'd sue him, it was right after he got drafted. And as for the antics I think it's great, lance provides excitement as for blowing in Brons ear, Pfft! I'd say he shoulda thanked Lance! I'm sick of that over blown primadonna!!

[Scoot McGroot]

I really hope your just joking Wacko. I've had too many friends I've met that have dealt with domestic violence. I can not, for one second, condone domestic violence, or accept the concept that women would fake severe injuries for a little bit of money (second round money, none of it guaranteed). Nor can I condone "blame the victim" mentality, or "assume the victim is lying" mentality.

[SmashMouthRod]

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For all we know that chick fell down the stairs on her own while they were arguing, an Lance was barely 19 when it happened. It's not like the Ron Artest thing where we all saw him go running up in the stands and punch some Harry Potter looking dude who wasn't even the guy who threw the beer. Or the Stephen Jackson Club Rio incident we all remember!!

The point I was making is exactly that. Women lie. You have to be able to look at news objectively. Ive dated plenty of liars and just because they call the law doesnt mean its always the absolute truth. Im not saying Lance is absolutely not guilty of any wrong doing ever or even in this case (and im not casting any stones) but I would put my money on it that he isnt wrong in every instance where someone wants to cry foul; even though its easy to throw him under the bus. He isnt some criminal that needs rehabilitation. He is just different. A 23 year old thats still maturing. Its like ppl want to condemn the man every time his name is brought up; even if he hasnt done anything wrong which is the case here. He is a free agent with all-star potential; with a risk just like any player. All the negative titles; and labeling doesnt mean a hill of beans because The Pacers won with him playing big minutes and he was a big reason for the success the team enjoyed the last two seasons. Im waiting for him to get sick of ppl labeling him like when Lebron finally got tired of it; it should make for some humorous interviews/press conferences.

"Roy hibbert has 0pts and 0 rebs; blame Lance's Antics"; "George Hill goes 1-10 with 0 to 3 assists; blame Lance; Indy was blown out in Game 6 of the ECF - blame Lance and Bird missed on a few draft picks well that must be Lance's Antics too"

[Boneman2]

Well if actual personnel from NBA organizations do in fact read RealGM then we're certainly lowering his value in this thread.

The thing with Lance is that he is still young and has to continue his maturation process. At least he is not problematic off the court (Tinsley, Jax).

[Scoot McGroot]

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For all we know that chick fell down the stairs on her own while they were arguing, an Lance was barely 19 when it happened. It's not like the Ron Artest thing where we all saw him go running up in the stands and punch some Harry Potter looking dude who wasn't even the guy who threw the beer. Or the Stephen Jackson Club Rio incident we all remember!!

The point I was making is exactly that. Women lie. You have to be able to look at news objectively. Ive dated plenty of liars and just because they call the law doesnt mean its always the absolute truth. Im not saying Lance is absolutely not guilty of any wrong doing ever or even in this case (and im not casting any stones) but I would put my money on it that he isnt wrong in every instance where someone wants to cry foul; even though its easy to throw him under the bus. He isnt some criminal that needs rehabilitation. He is just different. A 23 year old thats still maturing. Its like ppl want to condemn the man every time his name is brought up; even if he hasnt done anything wrong which is the case here. He is a free agent with all-star potential; with a risk just like any player. All the negative titles; and labeling doesnt mean a hill of beans because The Pacers won with him playing big minutes and he was a big reason for the success the team enjoyed the last two seasons. Im waiting for him to get sick of ppl labeling him like when Lebron finally got tired of it; it should make for some humorous interviews/press conferences.

"Roy hibbert has 0pts and 0 rebs; blame Lance's Antics"; "George Hill goes 1-10 with 0 to 3 assists; blame Lance; Indy was blown out in Game 6 of the ECF - blame Lance and Bird missed on a few draft picks well that must be Lance's Antics too"

Maybe you should date better women?

You know what else happens infinitely more often? Men (and women) being violent to each other. Labeling women as "liars", when they are massively more likely to actually be assaulted by men than to be "liars" is simply an insult to those that have suffered, and merely perpetuates a cycle of violence against women.




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[MNPacersfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

[SmashMouthRod]

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For all we know that chick fell down the stairs on her own while they were arguing, an Lance was barely 19 when it happened. It's not like the Ron Artest thing where we all saw him go running up in the stands and punch some Harry Potter looking dude who wasn't even the guy who threw the beer. Or the Stephen Jackson Club Rio incident we all remember!!

The point I was making is exactly that. Women lie. You have to be able to look at news objectively. Ive dated plenty of liars and just because they call the law doesnt mean its always the absolute truth. Im not saying Lance is absolutely not guilty of any wrong doing ever or even in this case (and im not casting any stones) but I would put my money on it that he isnt wrong in every instance where someone wants to cry foul; even though its easy to throw him under the bus. He isnt some criminal that needs rehabilitation. He is just different. A 23 year old thats still maturing. Its like ppl want to condemn the man every time his name is brought up; even if he hasnt done anything wrong which is the case here. He is a free agent with all-star potential; with a risk just like any player. All the negative titles; and labeling doesnt mean a hill of beans because The Pacers won with him playing big minutes and he was a big reason for the success the team enjoyed the last two seasons. Im waiting for him to get sick of ppl labeling him like when Lebron finally got tired of it; it should make for some humorous interviews/press conferences.

"Roy hibbert has 0pts and 0 rebs; blame Lance's Antics"; "George Hill goes 1-10 with 0 to 3 assists; blame Lance; Indy was blown out in Game 6 of the ECF - blame Lance and Bird missed on a few draft picks well that must be Lance's Antics too"

Maybe you should date better women?

You know what else happens infinitely more often? Men (and women) being violent to each other. Labeling women as "liars", when they are massively more likely to actually be assaulted by men than to be "liars" is simply an insult to those that have suffered, and merely perpetuates a cycle of violence against women.




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I agree. No labels or stereotypes are being assigned here; just stating facts. I love women but some lack integrity. In fact; there is a growing number of vindictive women that only seek out men with a certain level of financial stability specifically to find a way to get a piece. Brian Banks (NFL player) served five years in prison for a rape that he didn’t commit. The so called abused women received a life changing settlement that she will now have to pay back. Banks still loses because he cant get his 5 years back! We are living in a society where women have so much power; all they have to do is say someone did something to them and its assumed to be true.

[Jake0890]

It's no more likely that she lied about it than it actually happened. You can't just default to believing the victim is lying for no good reason.

In reality, we'll never really no what TRULY happened. What we do know is that Lance's girlfriend ended up at the bottom of the stairs, Lance was involved in some capacity, and he paid her to avoid going to court.

The past is the past, but Lance still has character issues and that incident will follow him throughout his career.