Bobcat says on air - Lebron 50/50 to Toronto

DonMega · Post #141 » by **DonMega** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:38 pm

Thanks for the laugh op

MEDIC · Post #142 » by **MEDIC** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:44 pm

I've always thought LBJ might be egotistical enough to make a move like this (sign with Raptors so that HE can bring a championship to the Country of Canada). Hell, Lieweke might even be able to convince him. Tim has as big an ego as LBJ.

There is just no way it could happen right now.

Back2back2back · Post #143 » by **Back2back2back** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:45 pm

mr sunday night wrote:Which hour was this in? The 4pm hour?

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20140709_170308--Prime-Time-Sports---July-9th---4pm.mp3

29:30 mark.

Steelo Green · Post #144 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:46 pm

I don't believe this but when Miami came up it was a shock to the world and was in the conversation in the 11th hour.

mr sunday night · Post #145 » by **mr sunday night** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:48 pm

Back2back2back wrote:
mr sunday night wrote:Which hour was this in? The 4pm hour?

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20140709_170308--Prime-Time-Sports---July-9th---4pm.mp3

29:30 mark.

Thanks...

The Watcher · Post #146 » by **The Watcher** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:49 pm

garbagnani wrote:
Rapsalot wrote:This is the biggest bunch of BS on the history of this board! It would have to be Sign & trade and by the time we did it there would be nothing left for James to play with. Too stupid! Like a weather person saying 50/50% chance of rain. If it happens told you so. If it doesn't told you so! LMfA & a bunch of other parts Off!

Miami got LeBron from Cleveland in sign and trade for a draft pick.Miami has no leverage. Expirings plus or pick, knicks pick would Get be enough

Yes, Miami does have leverage: they could simply say "no, if you want to go play for Toronto, go sign for the $10 million that they have available". That would mean that Bron would be out about 10.5 million bucks in salary. So they do have leverage.

Back2back2back · Post #147 » by **Back2back2back** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:50 pm

Danchan · Post #148 » by **Danchan** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:50 pm

50% of the time, i am right 0% of the time.

Back2back2back · Post #149 » by **Back2back2back** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:51 pm

Imagine a starting five of:

PG: Lowry
SG: DD
SF: Lebron
PF: Amir
C: Jonas

Homer Jay · Post #150 » by **Homer Jay** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:51 pm

The Watcher wrote:
garbagnani wrote:
Rapsalot wrote:This is the biggest bunch of BS on the history of this board! It would have to be Sign & trade and by the time we did it there would be nothing left for James to play with. Too stupid! Like a weather person saying 50/50% chance of rain. If it happens told you so. If it doesn't told you so! LMfA & a bunch of other parts Off!

Miami got LeBron from Cleveland in sign and trade for a draft pick.Miami has no leverage. Expirings plus or pick, knicks pick would Get be enough

Yes, Miami does have leverage: they could simply say "no, if you want to go play for Toronto, go sign for the $10 million that they have available". That would mean that Bron would be out about 10.5 million bucks in salary. So they do have leverage.

And then Riley can face the wrath of the players and watch nobody of note sign for him again...

Have you honestly heard of an exec not willing to do a S&T? I haven't heard of one guy say no yet. They will ruin their rep if they do, that's why they go along.

Back2back2back · Post #151 » by **Back2back2back** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:53 pm

Butch gave the following reasons back in January as to why this may just happen this summer.

1. Miami can't resign the Big 3 because it simply can't afford to.
2. Lebron has hinted that he wants to stay in the East to be closer to his nice new big home in Cleveland (but its unlikely he would resign with Cleveland) and Toronto is a 35 min plane ride away.
3. New York, the logical choice many would say, is a complete mess, and Carmello has already publicly stated that he is opting out of his contract at the end of the year.
4. Lebron loves the city of Toronto, and has hosted private parties here over the last 2 summers.
5. The Raptors have risen up to a mid-level team, and with James would truly be one of the top teams in the East.
6. Tim Loewicke has the reputation as a guy who can get the big names others thought were impossible.
7. Drake and Lebron are friends.

Homer Jay · Post #152 » by **Homer Jay** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:56 pm

Back2back2back wrote:Imagine a starting five of:

PG: Lowry
SG: DD
SF: Lebron
PF: Amir
C: Jonas

Nope if there was a S&T it would likely be DD and Amir going the other way, add Hayes as well makes up about 21.5 million....

PG: Lowry
SG: Ross
SF: LBJ
PF: PP
C: Jonas

Honestly since you want to surround Lebron with shooters that will capitalize on his pulling double teams, so that Ross and PatPat are better options for him to play with than DD and Amir anyway.

Doesn't matter really since it's not real anyway. I did this just as a what if.

HeartBreaking · Post #153 » by **HeartBreaking** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:56 pm

and someone argued with me before that Bobcat is a knowledgeable basketball fan. Please apologize to me right now

The Watcher · Post #154 » by **The Watcher** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:57 pm

Homer Jay wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
garbagnani wrote:Miami got LeBron from Cleveland in sign and trade for a draft pick.Miami has no leverage. Expirings plus or pick, knicks pick would Get be enough

Yes, Miami does have leverage: they could simply say "no, if you want to go play for Toronto, go sign for the $10 million that they have available". That would mean that Bron would be out about 10.5 million bucks in salary. So they do have leverage.

And then Riley can face the wrath of the players and watch nobody of note sign for him again...

Have you honestly heard of an exec not willing to do a S&T? I haven't heard of one guy say no yet. They will ruin their rep if they do, that's why they go along.

Meh, I don't think Riley needs to worry about his reputation, he's a God among men in NBA front-office circles. At the end of the day, he only needs to defend himself by saying that he's not obligated to take back crappy contracts to placate LeBron on his way out the door.

Plus, if LeBron leaves, Miami knows that they will be crappy for a few years (barring them signing Melo/Bosh/Wade). By the time they are ready to compete again, Riley would be retired.

Wo1verine · Post #155 » by **Wo1verine** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:58 pm

I am sure it would have leaked a long time ago by an actual basketball source (Woj) if Toronto was actually a possibility.

MEDIC · Post #156 » by **MEDIC** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 10:58 pm

The Watcher wrote:
garbagnani wrote:
Rapsalot wrote:This is the biggest bunch of BS on the history of this board! It would have to be Sign & trade and by the time we did it there would be nothing left for James to play with. Too stupid! Like a weather person saying 50/50% chance of rain. If it happens told you so. If it doesn't told you so! LMfA & a bunch of other parts Off!

Miami got LeBron from Cleveland in sign and trade for a draft pick.Miami has no leverage. Expirings plus or pick, knicks pick would Get be enough

Yes, Miami does have leverage: they could simply say "no, if you want to go play for Toronto, go sign for the $10 million that they have available". That would mean that Bron would be out about 10.5 million bucks in salary. So they do have leverage.

You could trade guys like Fields & Hayes (who expire next year) with multiple draft picks and or young players for cap space. You have the ability to sign a guy like LBJ, then you trade whatever you have to get him.

I'm not even a LBJ fan, but I would do it.

BetterCallSaul · Post #157 » by **BetterCallSaul** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:00 pm

Lol, stop it.

XxIronChainzxX · Post #158 » by **XxIronChainzxX** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:01 pm

You guys can't really believe this bull, right? I mean, it would be incredible to have Lebron, but it's probably as likely as ... well, Brazil getting killed 7-1 on their home field in the World Cup semi-Final.

Lateral Quicks · Post #159 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:02 pm

It would be hilarious if instead of Lowry going to Miami to join LBJ, LBJ comes to Toronto to join Lowry. From a strictly player personnel perspective LBJ to Toronto makes a lot of sense. It's a young promising team whose biggest weakness - SF - would be filled by arguably the best SF in the league. It's an instant favourite for the East, and a challenger for the Championship. It's close to his home town where he's made his family home and he likes Toronto. It's not as far-fetched as it would first appear.

OakleyDokely · Post #160 » by **OakleyDokely** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:05 pm

I don't think the Raps would have much trouble dumping expirings like Fields, Hayes if they attach quality assets like Ross, Knicks Pick, their own picks with them, if they really needed to.

The bigger issue is convincing Lebron Toronto is the best place for him.