The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[King4Day]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/7/9/5885221/phoenix-suns-2014-nba-summer-league-watch-miles-plumlee#comments.

I'm not a Plumlee fan at all, but look at what he is saying about some of the line ups Hornacek is looking at.

Our rookies, especially Alex Len, seem to be more flexible position wise than most poster think.

The Suns' head coach of the summer league team, Mike Longabardi, hinted that the Suns could use both Plumlee and Len on the floor together in their version of the twin towers. When Miles was asked how the two of them have meshed together thus far, he responded, "It's gone well. We're really working on our big-to-big passing, and Alex has a great mid-range jump shot. It's not the same as having Channing (Frye) space the floor, but I think we've got something really good going right now."

I'm stoked for the summer league. Does anyone know if all games will be televised?

[bwgood77]

I'm stoked for the summer league. Does anyone know if all games will be televised?

I'm stoked too. I don't get nbatv, so I hope there is a way I can watch them without having to go to firstrow. For some reason that site makes my internet stop working and I have to restore my system to an earlier date the last few times I've used it.

I'd pay a subscription to nbatv or something to watch it online with a great feed.

[Jarlaxle0204]

standing pat is never a bad thing.

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

[bwgood77]

Anyone know how much cap space teams have left?

Well it's pretty fluid. It really depends on where the big names sign. Lakers and Philly have a ton. Orlando has quite a bit. Utah a ton. Miami may have a ton if LeBron/Bosh leave. Detroit, Atlanta and Milwaukee have a pretty good amount.

I think only a handful of those would offer Bledsoe a big deal, and even some of them may have pretty good reasons not to. Milwaukee is a threat, but not at the max level...more like 13 a year. Detroit, particularly if they move Smith or before they sign or match Monroe. Then LA (but they may want to keep cap space for the next couple summers) and Miami if they lose those guys. I'd say those 4 and maybe Orlando are the teams that would possibly think about offering Bledsoe a deal.

And I guess Houston if they don't get Bosh. Not sure about that though...Harden primary ball handler.

[KLEON]

I'm with you Weeker

He's a few more PF names of interest
Anthony Tolliver
Kenyon Martin
Andray Blatche
Ed Davis

We don't exactly have to add a frye clone

Sign him up please

[Barkley6]

Question: would it be possible for the Suns to extend Dragic this offseason?

Not saying it's necessarily the best move, but we have cash on hand, it doesn't look like we're trading him, and we might be able to get a better price now while still negotiating with Bledsoe rather than giving Bledsoe a max and giving Goran's agent ammo to force us to up our offer.

[so_nashty]

Gilbert Arenas thinks Lebron is staying in Miami:

http://instagram.com/p/qQEXDWvP8i/

Hahaha I can't stop watching that. Hilarious. Great part in the movie too.

[Cutter]

An asterisk denotes the game being shown live on NBAtv. It looks like all Suns games will be shown live.

Las Vegas Summer League Schedule
Date Matchup (*denotes live on NBA TV) Time (PT) Location
Fri., July 11 New York vs. Dallas* (Game 1) 1 p.m. COX
Fri., July 11 Toronto vs. LA Lakers* (Game 2) 3 p.m. COX
Fri., July 11 Cleveland vs. Milwaukee* (Game 3) 5 p.m. COX
Fri., July 11 Golden State vs. Charlotte (Game 4) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Fri., July 11 Sacramento vs. San Antonio* (Game 5) 7 p.m. COX
Fri., July 11 D-League vs. New Orleans (Game 6) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 12 Portland vs. New York* (Game 7) 1 p.m. COX
Sat., July 12 Atlanta vs. Washington (Game 8) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 12 Toronto vs. Denver* (Game 9) 3 p.m. COX
Sat., July 12 Dallas vs. Minnesota (Game 10) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 12 Phoenix vs. Golden State* (Game 11) 5 p.m. COX
Sat., July 12 Chicago vs. LA Clippers (Game 12) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 12 Houston vs. Miami (Game 13) 7 p.m. COX
Sat., July 12 Utah vs. Philadelphia* (Game 14) 7: 30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 13 Cleveland vs. San Antonio* (Game 15) 1 p.m. COX
Sun., July 13 LA Lakers vs. New Orleans (Game 16) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 13 Sacramento vs. Charlotte* (Game 17) 3 p.m. COX
Sun., July 13 Atlanta vs. D-League (Game 18) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 13 Chicago vs. Denver* (Game 19) 5 p.m. COX
Sun., July 13 Portland vs. Houston (Game 20) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 13 Milwaukee vs. Phoenix* (Game 21) 7 p.m. COX
Sun., July 13 Washington vs. Minnesota (Game 22) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Mon., July 14 New York vs. Charlotte* (Game 23) 1 p.m. COX
Mon., July 14 Sacramento vs. D-League (Game 24) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Mon., July 14 Toronto vs. Dallas* (Game 25) 3 p.m. COX
Mon., July 14 San Antonio vs. New Orleans (Game 26) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Mon., July 14 Cleveland vs. Philadelphia* (Game 27) 5 p.m. COX
Mon., July 14 Miami vs. LA Clippers (Game 28) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Mon., July 14 Golden State vs. LA Lakers* (Game 29) 7 p.m. COX
Mon., July 14 Utah vs. Milwaukee (Game 30) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Tue., July 15 Portland vs. Atlanta* (Game 31) 1 p.m. COX
Tue., July 15 Chicago vs. Minnesota (Game 32) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Tue., July 15 LA Clippers vs. Houston* (Game 33) 3 p.m. COX
Tue., July 15 Miami vs. Washington (Game 34) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Tue., July 15 Philadelphia vs. Phoenix* (Game 35) 5 p.m. COX
Tue., July 15 Utah vs. Denver (Game 36) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Wed., July 16 # 9 Seed vs. #24 Seed* (Game 37) 1 p.m. COX
Wed., July 16 #10 Seed vs. #23 Seed (Game 38) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Wed., July 16 #11 Seed vs. #22 Seed* (Game 39) 3 p.m. COX
Wed., July 16 #12 Seed vs. #21 Seed (Game 40) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Wed., July 16 #13 Seed vs. #20 Seed* (Game 41) 5 p.m. COX
Wed., July 16 #14 Seed vs. #19 Seed (Game 42) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Wed., July 16 #15 Seed vs. #18 Seed* (Game 43) 7 p.m. COX
Wed., July 16 #16 Seed vs. #17 Seed (Game 44) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Thur., July 17 #8 Seed vs. Winner of Game 37* (Game 45) 1 p.m. COX
Thur., July 17 #7 Seed vs. Winner of Game 38 (Game 46) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Thur., July 17 #6 Seed vs. Winner of Game 39* (Game 47) 3 p.m. COX
Thur., July 17 #5 Seed vs. Winner of Game 40 (Game 48) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Thur., July 17 #4 Seed vs. Winner of Game 41* (Game 49) 5 p.m. COX
Thur., July 17 #3 Seed vs. Winner of Game 42 (Game 50) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Thur., July 17 #2 Seed vs. Winner of Game 43* (Game 51) 7 p.m. COX
Thur., July 17 #1 Seed vs. Winner of Game 44 (Game 52) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Fri., July 18 Game 37 Loser vs. Game 38 Loser* (Game 53) 1 p.m. COX
Fri., July 18 Game 39 Loser vs. Game 40 Loser (Game 54) 1:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Fri., July 18 Game 41 Loser vs. Game 42 Loser* (Game 55) 3 p.m. COX
Fri., July 18 Game 43 Loser vs. Game 44 Loser (Game 56) 3:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Fri., July 18 Game 45 Loser vs. Game 46 Loser* (Game 57) 5 p.m. COX
Fri., July 18 Game 47 Loser vs. Game 48 Loser (Game 58) 5:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Fri., July 18 Game 49 Loser vs. Game 50 Loser* (Game 59) 7 p.m. COX
Fri., July 18 Game 51 Loser vs. Game 52 Loser (Game 60) 7:30 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 19 Game 46 Winner vs. Game 51 Winner* (Game 61) 1 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 19 Game 47 Winner vs. Game 50 Winner* (Game 62) 3 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 19 Game 45 Winner vs. Game 52 Winner* (Game 63) 5 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sat., July 19 Game 48 Winner vs. Game 49 Winner* (Game 64) 7 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 20 Game 61 Winner vs. Game 62 Winner* (Game 65) 3 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Sun., July 20 Game 63 Winner vs. Game 64 Winner*(Game 66) 5 p.m. Thomas & Mack
Mon., July 21 Game 65 Winner vs. Game 66 Winner* (Game 67) 6 p.m. Thomas & Mack
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[Kerrsed]

LMFAO, i forgot all about this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ[/youtube]

[bwgood77]

Question: would it be possible for the Suns to extend Dragic this offseason?

Not saying it's necessarily the best move, but we have cash on hand, it doesn't look like we're trading him, and we might be able to get a better price now while still negotiating with Bledsoe rather than giving Bledsoe a max and giving Goran's agent ammo to force us to up our offer.

I think it may be possible, but it's not smart for him because their is a max raise in that scenario. If he opts out, he can get MUCH more money. He falls into the 7-9 year bracket at that point for what the max can be. There is a good chart on realgm that I posted the link to earlier.

Here it is....look at the Max Salary column and the 7-9 year column within that. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

They don't even have THIS year's numbers in there yet, but even last year, he could have started out at like $16 million after 7 years. It's gonna be more than that this year and even more next year, so he will be able to get a sizable chunk of change if someone wants to pay him.

[pquinlan]

I was just looking at the free agent list for this year. It is just filled with crap and more crap. Other than some decent players about to be overpaid like deng or lance, it's just a bunch of ok role players like Ed Davis and company. Honestly, a trade might be our only hope for anything of substance this year.

[Barkley6]

LMFAO, i forgot all about this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ[/youtube]

If I was LeBron, I'd be like "Wow, no one worth a damn lives here anymore. I don't even know who 80% of these people are....South Beach....here I come!"

[Barkley6]

Question: would it be possible for the Suns to extend Dragic this offseason?

Not saying it's necessarily the best move, but we have cash on hand, it doesn't look like we're trading him, and we might be able to get a better price now while still negotiating with Bledsoe rather than giving Bledsoe a max and giving Goran's agent ammo to force us to up our offer.

I think it may be possible, but it's not smart for him because their is a max raise in that scenario. If he opts out, he can get MUCH more money. He falls into the 7-9 year bracket at that point for what the max can be. There is a good chart on realgm that I posted the link to earlier.

Here it is....look at the Max Salary column and the 7-9 year column within that. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

They don't even have THIS year's numbers in there yet, but even last year, he could have started out at like $16 million after 7 years. It's gonna be more than that this year and even more next year, so he will be able to get a sizable chunk of change if someone wants to pay him.

Thanks for the info, didn't realize he was on the cusp of the next bracket. Dude is gonna get paid. Hope it's us that pays him.

[BertMacklin]

standing pat is never a bad thing.

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

Yeah, standing pat isn't a bad thing when you tried to sign the best player in the world and it didn't work out. Calm down man. It's not like we didn't try. If standing pat is your last resort it's never the end of the world.

[Barkley6]

standing pat is never a bad thing.

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

Yeah, standing pat isn't a bad thing when you tried to sign the best player in the world and it didn't work out. Calm down man. It's not like we didn't try. If standing pat is your last resort it's never the end of the world.

It depends where you're standing. Standing pat as the Spurs makes a lot of sense. Standing pat as anyone else becomes questionable. Standing pat as a team outside the playoffs is probably not advisable.

[bwgood77]

Thanks for the info, didn't realize he was on the cusp of the next bracket. Dude is gonna get paid. Hope it's us that pays him.

Me too. Even if we do have to pay both Dragic and Bledsoe $16 million a year each, I hope we keep them both, unless we can just do some sort of no brainer blockbuster trade. No reason to feel you need to get rid of one of your two best players until some REAL GOOD reason makes you feel like it's the best road to go down. As we have seen, it's not easy to get a superstar.

I was thinking, it might be good to have a thread that has links to all of the good reference sites, like those salary scales, the CBA faqs, etc. I know some of us here check that info all the time, but there are so many questions about things that get asked again and again it might be good to have more posters educated on these things, or have a quick thread link to look it up.

Kerrsed, if reading, what do you think of that?

[GDFTony]

I understand your sentiment and what you think you were trying to say but this statement is completely asinine. Standing pat is sometimes a good thing. Sure. To say that it's NEVER a bad thing is ridiculous. I think if the Heat had stood pat and not signed Lebron and Bosh, that probably would have been a bad thing for them don't you?

Yeah, standing pat isn't a bad thing when you tried to sign the best player in the world and it didn't work out. Calm down man. It's not like we didn't try. If standing pat is your last resort it's never the end of the world.

It depends where you're standing. Standing pat as the Spurs makes a lot of sense. Standing pat as anyone else becomes questionable. Standing pat as a team outside the playoffs is probably not advisable.

What moves are available that make this team a clear contender right away?

I like how everyone that doesn't want us to stand pat, but you don't just make moves to make moves. Overpay role players when you're a contender. Not now.

[AZWildByNature]

Just say No to Mediocrity.

[bwgood77]

LMFAO, i forgot all about this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ[/youtube]

That's hilarious. Never seen that. I always find it a bit fascinating when I watch the original, just seeing all those 80s singers in one place.

[Frank Lee]

@ spandexninja ... Your whining is duly noted... But I think you overstate and over rate the improvements of almost every team you mentioned and ignore what the differences will be with us.


We'll add at least a PF because we need to, but no need to cry about SFs and SGs signing elsewhere , especially at those prices. I guess I have a little more faith in the FO and roster than you

But this is a forum so go ahead and vent. Just watch where you step... Someone dropped a duece around here