Report: Rockets confident they can trade Jeremy Lin and Asik

[Mr. E]

Of course, coming from an armchair expert 10th removed from reality

You don't get it, without money Houston would have been relying on lottery picks for years, not an issue as many teams have gone on to become successful but Houston have struggled with the concept for years because they are just hopeless at building teams. They had a chance with Yao Ming but surrounded him with peanuts. They had Lowry and Dragic but traded them off They had Batum in our grasp but traded him to Portland They gave up 4 good players for Charles Barkley They had Fisher on the team but he wanted a buyout because he wanted to win a championship (went on the OKC and a finals run).

They had Moses Malone winning MVPs and putting up insane numbers 24 points and 17 rebounds a game only to trade him to the 76ers where he led them to an NBA championship in 83.

And my favorite, wasting a 16th pick in the first round to select Royce White. Great insight there McHale

Houston isn't exactly a hotbed for stars and coaches wanting to come here unless there is money, it doesn't matter where our corporate sponsorship is coming from whether they are African, Saudi Arabian or Chinese, it's the only way to attract high profile players to Houston.

I know that you're trying to come off as insightful in regards to the history of the Rockets franchise here, but you just...don't. This entire post comes across as someone who cherry-picked a few events they got off of Wikipedia and tried to use them to make a point.

If you had only focused on the Morey era then there may be something, but you went back to Moses Malone; therefore we are looking at a historical look at the team.

Here are some things that you claim:

You don't get it, without money Houston would have been relying on lottery picks for years, not an issue as many teams have gone on to become successful but Houston have struggled with the concept for years because they are just hopeless at building teams.

OK, first off you bring up Moses Malone, but then you conveniently gloss over the Rockets team of the 80s. That was a team that was built brilliantly through the draft, but due to off-court issues (Cocaine....lots and lots of cocaine) they were doomed to "what if?" territory.

I know that you think that it is weird that I'm bringing up a team with guys like Wiggins, Lloyd, McCray, Lucas, Sampson and Akeem Abdul Olajuwon in a topic about being "successful," but you inferred that Houston could not "build teams." They did build one here, but tragically it never came to be.

Fortunately they had better luck the next time that they built a team! Akeem added an "H" and along with the likes of Otis Thorpe, Vernon Maxwell, Kenny (not the Jet at that time) Smith, Robert Horry (drafted), Sam Cassell (drafted) and Mario Elie. They went on to win an NBA championship. The next year they added another with the return of a hometown hero.

Yeah, they had to move an all-star and future hall of famer in Moses Malone way back in the early 80s, but they had some pretty good return after moving that guy.

(by the way, Moses was one of the guys who recruited Dwight to Houston, so he's still a team player)

Let's move on to the next great Rockets Big Man - Yao Ming. They, according to you, surrounded him with "peanuts." Well...despite how Tracy McGrady's career ended here in Houston I doubt that anyone would describe him as "peanuts." I don't know if you were following the Rockets when McGrady was here, but he was legitimately considered to be one of the best players in the game. Yeah, they could have filled out the roster better around them (more on that in a bit), but if you're going to bring up Yao then you cannot ignore the best player he ever called a teammate.

They had Lowry and Dragic but traded them off They had Batum in our grasp but traded him to Portland

Lowry - traded for a draft pick that was instrumental in acquiring James Harden
Dragic - I'll concede this one...I'm still pissed about not giving the Dragon the 4th year. Terrible move.
Batum - Bad trade in retrospect, but at the time it helped lead to getting a vet who could help Yao

They gave up 4 good players for Charles Barkley

I agree with this one. It was a desperation move that tried to capitalize on the end of Hakeem's window. It didn't pan out.

They were still a very competitive team, regardless.

They had Fisher on the team but he wanted a buyout because he wanted to win a championship (went on the OKC and a finals run).

...

yeah...now I know that you are not a Rockets fan and don't know much about this franchise. I don't even have to explain this one.

Rockets fans know what I'm talking about, right?

And my favorite, wasting a 16th pick in the first round to select Royce White. Great insight there McHale

Really?

That's your "favorite?"

Why?

Houston took a risk on a player in the middle of the first round of a sub-par draft?

Are we ignoring that Houston had three picks in that draft all within that range? One pick (Lamb) helped land Harden. Another pick (Jones) is a contributing member of the team. White...yeah, he flamed out in spectacular fashion, but he has not hurt Houston in the long term and is already history. It is extraordinarily disingenuous to suggest that Houston is a failure because they whiffed on one out of three middle of the First Round picks in one year.

You could have gone with the contracts of Kelvin Cato, Matt Maloney, Mo Taylor or the three-for-one trade for Eddie Grffin (RIP), but instead you go with the White pick...

[Mr. E]

Don't bother with this guy, the dude is stupid as hell and probably doesn't even know that he's racist

Stick to the topic. Do not personally attack other posters.

[MKL]

Well, Morey could have picked Finals MVP Leonard instead of White. It kind of stings that we had to dump a 2nd round pick + cash to shed White's contract to Philly too.

I wouldn't mention Eddie Griffin either, that's poor taste. And again, not good to start from the moral low ground.

HOU fans in general has always been hard and very critical on the team and management, this is what fans talk about on forums.

I would like to think that the truth will eventually win. Not irrational peer pressure or petty tribalism.

[MaxRider]

Well, Morey could have picked Finals MVP Leonard instead of White. It kind of stings that we had to dump a 2nd round pick + cash to shed White's contract to Philly too.

I wouldn't mention Eddie Griffin either, that's poor taste. And again, not good to start from the moral low ground.

HOU fans in general has always been hard and very critical on the team and management, this is what fans talk about on forums.

I would like to think that the truth will eventually win. Not irrational peer pressure or petty tribalism.

lol kawhi leonard and royce white aren't in the same draft year

[MKL]

Well, Morey could have picked Finals MVP Leonard instead of White. It kind of stings that we had to dump a 2nd round pick + cash to shed White's contract to Philly too.

I wouldn't mention Eddie Griffin either, that's poor taste. And again, not good to start from the moral low ground.

HOU fans in general has always been hard and very critical on the team and management, this is what fans talk about on forums.

I would like to think that the truth will eventually win. Not irrational peer pressure or petty tribalism.

lol kawhi leonard and royce white aren't in the same draft year

You got me, I got him mixed up with Marcus Morris draft. Which we could have gotten Leonard.

The Royce White draft will have to stand on it's own in history as a terrible pick.

[tha_rock220]

Just let it go.

Once Chinese sponsorships leave Houston the Rockets will go back to the stone age and lottery days again.

There will always be a cycle.

LOL

As far as I know the Rockets went to the NBA finals twice in the 80's, won 2 chips in the 90's, but when Chinese got on the board with us, we didnt do ****, except for one PO series win . So maybe it'll be good for us to lose the Chinese sponsorships . Maybe then we'll make to the WCF at least

Of course, coming from an armchair expert 10th removed from reality

You don't get it, without money Houston would have been relying on lottery picks for years, not an issue as many teams have gone on to become successful but Houston have struggled with the concept for years because they are just hopeless at building teams. They had a chance with Yao Ming but surrounded him with peanuts. They had Lowry and Dragic but traded them off They had Batum in our grasp but traded him to Portland They gave up 4 good players for Charles Barkley They had Fisher on the team but he wanted a buyout because he wanted to win a championship (went on the OKC and a finals run).

They had Moses Malone winning MVPs and putting up insane numbers 24 points and 17 rebounds a game only to trade him to the 76ers where he led them to an NBA championship in 83.

And my favorite, wasting a 16th pick in the first round to select Royce White. Great insight there McHale

Houston isn't exactly a hotbed for stars and coaches wanting to come here unless there is money, it doesn't matter where our corporate sponsorship is coming from whether they are African, Saudi Arabian or Chinese, it's the only way to attract high profile players to Houston.

Are we really doing this??? Even a team like the San Antonio Spurs are not immune to bad draft picks and trades, unless Goran Dragic and Richard Jefferson are figments of my imagination.

The great Pat Riley drafted Michael Beasley instead of Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, or Serge Ibaka. He went all in with Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway as his cornerstones. He ran his 1989 Laker team into the ground between the Western Conference Finals and NBA Finals to the point that Magic Johnson and Byron Scott were unable to play.

I could dissect every NBA team and find a long list of goofs, but as a basketball fan who understands choices are made without being able to look into the past from the future, I expect them to happen.

[cw3k]

Well, Morey could have picked Finals MVP Leonard instead of White. It kind of stings that we had to dump a 2nd round pick + cash to shed White's contract to Philly too.

I wouldn't mention Eddie Griffin either, that's poor taste. And again, not good to start from the moral low ground.

HOU fans in general has always been hard and very critical on the team and management, this is what fans talk about on forums.

I would like to think that the truth will eventually win. Not irrational peer pressure or petty tribalism.

lol kawhi leonard and royce white aren't in the same draft year

You got me, I got him mixed up with Marcus Morris draft. Which we could have gotten Leonard.

The Royce White draft will have to stand on it's own in history as a terrible pick.

Even if Rockets did drafted Kawhi Leonard, he will go no where. We are talking about McHale here. If Kawhi is here, he will be a bench warmer.

[inquisitive]

Jake Pavorsky of Liberty Ballers:

The Sixers and Rockets already agreed to a deal for Lin, so best case here is James goes to Cleveland, which sends Bosh to Houston. Philadelphia would receive Lin and at least one first rounder. Not confirmed but sounds like there's a 3rd piece to PHI in the deal. That Lin deal does hinge on Houston signing a max player, which at this point seems like Chris Bosh.

[zapatasblood]

Holy sh** did some bring up Derrick Fisher?! Really!!!!! What was it that was given up Him? Hill and the Rockets got Dallas 1st to take in F**k nuts. Bought him out like the Rockets wanted to anyways. I also think that was a move to bring a big name to Play with Yao you know free up cap space move. I forget to long ago. Never Eva eva eva (smokey voice) wanted to see that f**ker a Rocket jersey.

And bring up Royce yes was a bad pick in retrospect but last I check he was suppose to be in the Lottery if not for him being a mental midget. By the way many teams wanted him including Danny Angie and Boston.

Traded Rafer Alston for Lowry

Traded Brooks for Dragic and a First.

Batum thing pissed me off and not even sure what we got in return

I was jumping up for joy thinking he was actually going to get Leonard but.......

Franchises are litter with terrible move like Oden over Durrant!! Why? Because you can't teach big?

**** D. Fisher lol

[texasholdem]

Batum thing pissed me off and not even sure what we got in return

We got Dontae Green who we flipped along with another first rounder (who turned out to be Omri Casspi) into Ron Artest.

[moofs]

I wouldn't mention Eddie Griffin either, that's poor taste. And again, not good to start from the moral low ground.

Tbh I make Eddie Griffin jokes all the time. It's not like he just kinda died in a horrific accident. He got killed by the explosion that happened when he was hit by a train while speeding in a suburban that he was driving while drunk and masturbating to porn.

I mean, he obviously had a terrible life in private and is a tragic figure, but his chosen method of leaving this mortal coil is too far removed from reality to allow me to employ any empathy to it. Stuff like that just DOESN'T happen outside of 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?'

[inquisitive]

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[texasholdem]

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How is 4-19 or 4-24 a guaranteed lottery pick?

[MaxRider]

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How is 4-19 or 4-24 a guaranteed lottery pick?

morey is hoping pelicans won't make the playoffs

[spolgar]

Giving too western conference starter caliber players away, for next to nothing in return was such a herculean task.

Oh well.