The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[Revived]

Why do people keep saying this?

I have heard like a million times now.

Ooooo you know the Suns are gonna make a move cause their "too quiet". WTF does that even mean, I don't understand.

Which team is "loud"?

no...but every other team with any kind of maneuverability has been linked to MULTIPLE players...we have more wiggle room than any team in the league and we have been about as active as the Bucks...that doesn't intrigue you at all?

We said the suns were "too quiet" during the trade deadline and then again just before the draft. "Too quiet" more often than not means absolutely nothing is going on. We had a ton of flexibility then, we were "too quiet" and nothing EVER materialized.

Granted, the lack of leaks and talk doesnt mean that nothing is going on right now. but implying that because its too quiet, something must be in the works is nonsense.

Agreed.

I think its ridiculous to expect a move because we're "too quiet". Its as if we are usually loud or something.

[Revived]

I don't understand why we seemingly aren't even throwing our hat into the ring for Pau Gasol. We need a PF with Frye gone and he's the top one available, unrestricted and we have the money.

Because we have Markeiff. Let the kid shine. He should have taken over the starting spot last season as his Per36 stats blew Frye's away. Im more than fine with him as our starting PF.

Who is his backup though?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't understand why we seemingly aren't even throwing our hat into the ring for Pau Gasol. We need a PF with Frye gone and he's the top one available, unrestricted and we have the money.

my guess is we contacted him and he said he didn't want to come here. Dude didn't want to play in a fast paced system and there's like 10 other teams chasing him.

But really who knows. They aren't leaking info so it's impossible to know what's really going on at suns headquarters.

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[Kerrsed]

I would go after Monroe and Stephenson, then call it a day.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Stephenson/Green/Warren
Markeiff/Marcus
Monroe/Len/Plumlee

[gaspar]

I don't understand why we seemingly aren't even throwing our hat into the ring for Pau Gasol. We need a PF with Frye gone and he's the top one available, unrestricted and we have the money.

He wants to go to contender like Spurs or OKC and he completely doesn't fit in Phoenix.

Pau Gasol, F, Los Angeles Lakers

Strengths: Smooth as silk. A jumper like the tears of a baby sea otter, the post game of an elk dancing through a field. Giraffe-neck arms able to snatch rebounds and tap in scores by virtue of simply being higher than everyone else. Passes like poetry, able to hit every conceivable type of pass you could use. Well-liked by teammates and media, and a reputable name to add as a free agent.

Weaknesses: Old. Broken down. Painfully passive defensively. Can be muscled over, whipped around, dunked on, ripped through, and generally taken to town by anyone with muscle or skill. Serious endurance issues including feet that look like they're on sale at your local butcher shop next to the haggis. Slow to get up and down the floor. Pouts when the system isn't to his liking, and really only wants to be coached by Phil Jackson. Needs a big market to appease his cultural sensibilities. Pleasant, and sometimes that's not a good thing.

Analysis: Gasol's game is still beautiful, he's just not able to play it that often and the likelihood of this next contract turning to poison is pretty great. He's going to demand one last large contract, but it shouldn't be for more than two years. And you'd better have a rim protector next to him.

[letsgosuns]

You guys know what happens when you miss on some big free agents and then panic and make bad signings? Guys like Josh Smith, Amare Stoudemire, and Eric Gordon destroy your financial shape for years and you cannot wait to get rid of them. Like I said before, all these free agents out there suck and I could care less about them. The Suns are filled with depth at all spots and are in position to try to build their team like the Spurs. Lebron is worth going all out for but no one else. I only want the Suns to sign Pau Gasol so he can help teach Plumlee and Len and I think he is a good fit. I do not want another stretch four because I hate them. They are so pointless if you do not have an inside presence. Just get Gasol and start him next to Plumlee or put him at center and start Markieff Morris and let Plumlee and Len be the back ups. Say no to Deng! He is already too old and his fg % is horrible.

[Qwigglez]

I'd sign Pau to a 3 year deal, 12mil per, but the last season is a team option so we can give him the boot if Len develops quickly over that time span.
I wouldn't be upset at this roster
Dragic/Bledsoe/Green/Pau/Len
Ennis/Archie/Warren/Kieff/Plumlee

Move Len to the starting unit so we have just a little more experience on the bench with Plumlee. Maybe go after Jerryd Bayless or Jimmer Fredette, someone with a little higher potential who perhaps wasn't being utilized correctly, and who can score off the bench. (Is Fredette even a free agent?) What about Evan Turner, did he already get signed?

[letsgosuns]

I'd sign Pau to a 3 year deal, 12mil per, but the last season is a team option so we can give him the boot if Len develops quickly over that time span.
I wouldn't be upset at this roster
Dragic/Bledsoe/Green/Pau/Len
Ennis/Archie/Warren/Kieff/Plumlee

Move Len to the starting unit so we have just a little more experience on the bench with Plumlee. Maybe go after Jerryd Bayless or Jimmer Fredette, someone with a little higher potential who perhaps wasn't being utilized correctly, and who can score off the bench. (Is Fredette even a free agent?) What about Evan Turner, did he already get signed?

I would be all over that lineup. Some people here I am sure are going to argue that the Suns spacing would be bad but I completely disagree. The Los Angeles Lakers won two championships with Gasol and Bynum starting. The San Antonio Spurs won two championships with Robinson and Duncan starting. The Spurs have always started two big guys ever since Duncan was on their team. That has obviously worked out incredibly. Bledsoe and Dragic are good enough players that they can adjust to anything. The biggest and strongest teams are the ones that win the championships. The only time I have ever seen a team win without a big team is the Miami team with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, and they are very unique. And look what just happened to them this year, they were destroyed by San Antonio.

[asudevil]

I would go after Monroe and Stephenson, then call it a day.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Stephenson/Green/Warren
Markeiff/Marcus
Monroe/Len/Plumlee

I feel like in that scenario we are spending money just because we can.

Stephenson has a screw loose and i dont know if he has the ability to take the next step, the step that will justify giving him the big contract he wants. and that'll put 2x guys playing out of position. Both Green/Stephenson are SGs IMO.

I dont necessarily have a problem with Monroe. I dont think he's the BEST fit, but i dont hate him like many others do.

the one problem i see materializing with using up all of our cap space this year is that it doesnt leave much room to resign Dragic/Markieff (and Marcus to a lesser extent).

Bledsoe gets a 4 year $60mil AT LEAST
Stephenson gets a 4 year $45mil
Monroe gets a 4 year $45mil

all those are extremely conservative.

Assuming those contracts, when Dragic/Markieff/Marcus are due up for extensions we'll already have at least $54mil committed to our team not including cap holds each of them has. So is signing Stephenson/Monroe worth losing Dragic or Markieff in a year?

And in a year is that a championship ready team?

[Damkac]

no moves >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad moves

Let's other teams overpaid main free agents. Hopefully Suns can sign some young and underestimated players for cheap and make them play great like they do with Green or Plumlee

[RaisingArizona]

We have a higher need to improve up front. I think we go for Monroe with everything now and just move on. Maybe Marcus can show the grow that Markieff showed this year?
I'd also like to see Archie and Warren get some meaningful minutes next year.

Goran/Ennis
Bledsoe/Goodwin
Green/Morris/Warren
Monroe/Kieff
Plumlee/Len

I know that's only 11. Probably round it out by adding another c, pf on the cheap.

[SideSwipe]

A thought went across my head while reviewing rumors for the offseason and during the last season. Take a look:

Bledsoe S&T (@60/4) with rights to Warren and Rights to Bogdan to HOU for Beard, Jones

HOU needs to clear space to retian Parsons and grab Boash without going into the tax. Unsigned rookies can be signed to go over the cap and future rights to players don't count until they come over. HOU was rumored to be looking at going after Rondo last year. Maybe looking at a defensive PG to pair with the rest of the squad? This move clears $3 million off their books giving them the room needed to keep Parsons, Sign Bosh and then sign the rookies over the cap, and still use their Exceptions to fill out the roster, and they do it without losing Montijeunas. All while staying out of the tax.

Bledsoe/ Garcia/ Parsons/ Bosh/ Howard...Can't say that team would be able to compete offensively and defensively...


PHX does it in an all-in move to go after Love or if unsuccessful grab Pau(24/2), or really reach and grab Amare for the last year along with multiple assets, to keep building the empire. Harden would give us a real superstar to go along with our other All-NBA guard. That would be two pieces that might be attractive to Love.

Morri, Len, Archie, LA pick, Minny Pick for Love

Dragic/ Harden/ Green/ Jones/ Plumlee
or
Dragic/ Harden/ Green/ Love/ Plumlee
or
Dragic/ Harden/ Green/ Pau/ Plumlee
or
Dragic/ Harden/ Green/ Jones/ Stoudemire

Just bored thoughts really, but that would be a pretty interesting plan B, even if realistically it included Dragic in the package for Love.

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[Revived]

Houston has zero reason to do that. They would MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have 23 year old Harden than the combination of Bosh and Parsons both on max contracts.

Even though I wouldn't even offer them this, Houston would still say no if we offered them Dragic, Bledsoe, all our first round picks, Kieff, Len and Plumlee for Harden and trash.

Teams aren't going to trade established young superstars on nice long contracts unless they absolutely demand out.

Its not easy to find a superstar. Us Suns fans should know, we have been trying to find one for over 4 years now.

[Saberestar]

We have another good option to replace Frye if Houston signs Bosch.

Terrence Jones. Great defender and he is a good shooter, not great but he can improve. He is really young and Houston can need to make room for Bosch and Parsons, so he and Montjunas can be available in the next few days.

[Revived]

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That disappoints me cause the East would have been some what better with Hayward on the Bobcats.

[Kerrsed]

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[Revived]

Hey Woj tweet something Suns related, thanks.

[Kerrsed]

[gaspar]

We have another good option to replace Frye if Houston signs Bosch.

Terrence Jones. Great defender and he is a good shooter, not great but he can improve. He is really young and Houston can need to make room for Bosch and Parsons, so he and Montjunas can be available in the next few days.

You should ask LMA what he thinks about Jones' defense.