The Gordon Hayward Thread

[tondi123]

Any team would take plenty of time, up to the full 72 hours, to match an offer like this. The Jazz aren't screwing us over any worse than we tried to screw them over by forcing them to match a contract that everyone agrees is a vast overpay for this guy. All of this talk about payback is silly as well since most of the GM's in the NBA won't even have their job 5 years from now. We took a dump on them and they are taking a dump on us in return. Odds are five years from now nobody involved in this trade will still be employed by either team and none of this will matter to anybody.

[MasterIchiro]

Target #1 was Afflalo
Target #2 was Hayward

Cho is 0-2

The Kings selection of Stauskas really left a hole in our shooting. That sore remains and it's Cho's job to do something about it before the start of the season. Cho supposedly has a plan B but in my book they're down to plan C at best, D at worst.

Going back to the trade deadline, you can't tell me Gary Neal was his plan A either. Hate him or not, GM's seem to still do business with Morey and he seems to be able to land his main targets. Ainge seems like a hustler as well.

Other than Kemba, Cho has yet to draft a player who plays real starter minutes.

Excuse me if I don't love this GM or think he's some sort of stealth ninja.

It's like he has all these assets yet he still comes up empty.

I'm officially pissed he traded Shabazz for a thug. At the time he said they've devoted the whole year in advance of free agency and liked their options at PG. Well, their top options have fallen off the board there as well. Now we're looking at Brian Roberts. Meanwhile the guy he drafted (Hairston) is stuck behind 2 players (Henderson + Neal) Cho can't seem to move.

I want to know if there is one single fan out there who is impressed with this guy? I mean you really have to stretch things.

[Elden Payton]

Joke post?

We've taken project after project and funnily enough, our prospect with the lowest ceiling is the one playing starter minutes.

Comes up empty?

We just made the playoffs!!!!

You're just a UCONN fan who got onto the scene late, after watching this team for a decade, it is easy to see how Cho is superior to anything we've had previously.

[MasterIchiro]

You're just a UCONN fan who got onto the scene late, after watching this team for a decade, it is easy to see how Cho is superior to anything we've had previously.

Not my fault you have low standards.

[yosemiteben]

MI, once again, maybe you should see how FA shakes out before you launch your crusade against Cho.

Also I'd suggest maybe seeing how Hairston plays, like at all, before you criticize that move.

This was a completely predictable situation with Hayward, yet I still think it was worth the gamble.

[MasterIchiro]

MI, once again, maybe you should see how FA shakes out before you launch your crusade against Cho.

Also I'd suggest maybe seeing how Hairston plays, like at all, before you criticize that move.

This was a completely predictable situation with Hayward.

Of course I'm going to wait out FA but I don't love the patterns I'm seeing so far.

I'm not on a crusade either. I just want to point out some evidence so far that Cho has not executed a plan to improve the teams shooting, dribbling, passing, playmaking. I'm sure he has a plan to do that but he hasn't executed it.

[yosemiteben]

No **** we haven't made a FA signing yet. Just relax and let's see where this goes.

[Elden Payton]

You're just a UCONN fan who got onto the scene late, after watching this team for a decade, it is easy to see how Cho is superior to anything we've had previously.

Not my fault you have low standards.

Yes I have low standards for being a Charlotte fan...

I'm a loyal fan, and I'm proud of that.

[Hornet Mania]

I see Cho's methodology as patient more than anything. He obviously has a short list or priority targets and unfortunately he hasn't landed his big fish, but I'm glad he isn't desperately making it rain as a response to that. If the top-tier guys aren't interested, or get matched, or have character questions (I'm looking at you Lance) what can we do? Throw cash at the Mayos and Goodens of the world like the Bucks of years past just to guarantee our low-seeded playoff spot? I think Cho's hands are tied to an extent. It sucks to admit, but we may just have to take a step back this year to make greater strides in the long-term. Not the off-season that I wanted though, I will admit (except for Detroit's pick dropping to 9 and giving us the pick that became Vonleh, that was a heist).

[MasterIchiro]

You're just a UCONN fan who got onto the scene late, after watching this team for a decade, it is easy to see how Cho is superior to anything we've had previously.

Not my fault you have low standards.

BTW, just for the record. I became a fan of the Hornets more than a decade ago. I moved to Charlotte in 1999. That year, UConn won the NCAA tournament against Duke and the Bobcats didn't yet exist and Kemba Walker was 8 years old.

I went to my first Hornets game in the old arena and watched Milwaukee Bucks' Ray Allen drill a buzzer beater to beat the Hornets in the playoffs. And I realized when I didn't cheer, I was more of a Hornets fan than a UConn fanboy.

But I digress.

This UConn johnny-come-lately stuff is bunk.

[_tijo_]

You can't blame Cho that the best fit for our team was a RFA, and what the process is for signing RFAs. He's trying to build the best team, but he has certain parameters and limitations.

Look, I would love Lebron or Carmelo to come, but I just don't think it's happening. We have the space (or can make the space) to throw the max at them, but they aren't coming. I think Cho is doing fine in the market that he has, the available FA that he has to work with, and the hand he was dealt.

If we lose out on Gordon, I am fine with signing one year guys and making a run at Free Agency next year, or trading those expirings during the season for someone.

[Elden Payton]

You're just a UCONN fan who got onto the scene late, after watching this team for a decade, it is easy to see how Cho is superior to anything we've had previously.

Not my fault you have low standards.

BTW, just for the record. I became a fan of the Bobcats a decade ago. I moved to Charlotte in 1999. That year, UConn won the NCAA tournament against Duke and the Bobcats didn't yet exist and Kemba Walker was 8 years old.

I went to my first Hornets game in the old arena and watched Ray Allen drill a buzzer beater to beat the Hornets in the playoffs. And I realized when I didn't cheer, I was more of a Hornets fan than a UConn fan.

But I digress.

This UConn johnny-come-lately stuff is bunk.

Forgive me for thinking that you have UCONN coloured glasses on.

Calling Charlotte fans hicks and saying I have low standards etc is BS.

Acting like Kemba is our centrepiece and claiming that MKG should be traded for Lamb etc is a UCONN fan thing...surely

[MasterIchiro]

Not my fault you have low standards.

BTW, just for the record. I became a fan of the Bobcats a decade ago. I moved to Charlotte in 1999. That year, UConn won the NCAA tournament against Duke and the Bobcats didn't yet exist and Kemba Walker was 8 years old.

I went to my first Hornets game in the old arena and watched Ray Allen drill a buzzer beater to beat the Hornets in the playoffs. And I realized when I didn't cheer, I was more of a Hornets fan than a UConn fan.

But I digress.

This UConn johnny-come-lately stuff is bunk.

Forgive me for thinking that you have UCONN coloured glasses on.

Calling Charlotte fans hicks and saying I have low standards etc is BS.

Acting like Kemba is our centrepiece and claiming that MKG should be traded for Lamb etc is a UCONN fan thing...surely

You only wish you were a hick. How many live games have you attended?

[Elden Payton]

BTW, just for the record. I became a fan of the Bobcats a decade ago. I moved to Charlotte in 1999. That year, UConn won the NCAA tournament against Duke and the Bobcats didn't yet exist and Kemba Walker was 8 years old.

I went to my first Hornets game in the old arena and watched Ray Allen drill a buzzer beater to beat the Hornets in the playoffs. And I realized when I didn't cheer, I was more of a Hornets fan than a UConn fan.

But I digress.

This UConn johnny-come-lately stuff is bunk.

Forgive me for thinking that you have UCONN coloured glasses on.

Calling Charlotte fans hicks and saying I have low standards etc is BS.

Acting like Kemba is our centrepiece and claiming that MKG should be traded for Lamb etc is a UCONN fan thing...surely

You only wish you were a hick. How many live games have you attended?

What does that even mean?

None unfortunately, in terms of live games, I live with hicks on the other side of the world.

Am I a lesser fan?

How can I make it upto you, oh great one?

[Maneesh]

Jazz gm is a clown. What people arent saying is how this looks to players/agents. Let's punish another team for trying to give a pay raise. Its straight up shady.

No. It's part of the FA game. Same reason we made the 4th year a player option and added a trade kicker. It's ridiculous any of us would take offense to this. If someone offers Kemba a huge deal, more than we would want to pay, we will definitely take the whole 72 hours to match. Any team would.

Actually teams don't always do this. A lot of times it is teams fighting for the same FA so they hold cap space from another team. The Jazz are doing this strictly out of spite. We offered before the start of FA and they know they are going to match. A lot of teams just match and move on but this joker is mad we offered him what he was going to get and we were not scared off by his threats so they could low ball him. Trying to intimidate teams away from his FA so he can low ball offer will not look good on him. Also I would not be surprised if we as a team just mess with them when we have a chance as payback.


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Lol. So mad. You gm try screw jazz. It's not hard of vision man. I'm sorry I say before, jazz have right to screw back and they will. But I also say, best luck and hopeful have good chance at others.

[MasterIchiro]

No. It's part of the FA game. Same reason we made the 4th year a player option and added a trade kicker. It's ridiculous any of us would take offense to this. If someone offers Kemba a huge deal, more than we would want to pay, we will definitely take the whole 72 hours to match. Any team would.

Actually teams don't always do this. A lot of times it is teams fighting for the same FA so they hold cap space from another team. The Jazz are doing this strictly out of spite. We offered before the start of FA and they know they are going to match. A lot of teams just match and move on but this joker is mad we offered him what he was going to get and we were not scared off by his threats so they could low ball him. Trying to intimidate teams away from his FA so he can low ball offer will not look good on him. Also I would not be surprised if we as a team just mess with them when we have a chance as payback.


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Lol. So mad. You gm try screw jazz. It's not hard of vision man. I'm sorry I say before, jazz have right to screw back and they will. But I also say, best luck and hopeful have good chance at others.

Our GM definitely try screw Jazz. He never even contacted offering compensation in sign & trade. He made an attempt to poach a restricted free agent for money alone from a team with cap space and nothing to lose.

But your GM is butthurt he didn't give Hayward his worth earlier and now he lost millions. So Cho screw Jazz anyways.

Just sayin

[BlackOutBuzz]

I don't think offering Hayward a contract is "screwing" with anyone. They have no obligation to match.

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[HornetJail]

Somebody call lance dammit

ffs this needed to happen before all this Hayward crap.



And the 3-day matching thing is done all over the league. It's a non-issue. We can still offer Lance a contract which he can even agree to in principle, just can't actually sign the paperwork and submit it until Sunday. It's simply a formality at this point.

[BeesWax]

No. It's part of the FA game. Same reason we made the 4th year a player option and added a trade kicker. It's ridiculous any of us would take offense to this. If someone offers Kemba a huge deal, more than we would want to pay, we will definitely take the whole 72 hours to match. Any team would.

Actually teams don't always do this. A lot of times it is teams fighting for the same FA so they hold cap space from another team. The Jazz are doing this strictly out of spite. We offered before the start of FA and they know they are going to match. A lot of teams just match and move on but this joker is mad we offered him what he was going to get and we were not scared off by his threats so they could low ball him. Trying to intimidate teams away from his FA so he can low ball offer will not look good on him. Also I would not be surprised if we as a team just mess with them when we have a chance as payback.


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Lol. So mad. You gm try screw jazz. It's not hard of vision man. I'm sorry I say before, jazz have right to screw back and they will. But I also say, best luck and hopeful have good chance at others.

We did not try to screw anyone we signed a guy to an offer sheet. Jazz are screwing around and waiting for no reason but spite. It is easy to see that here. I am not mad about matching but being a jerk about it because you couldn't low ball a guy is low class. Your team is a bad fit for him so I feel very bad for the kid getting stuck in that mess right now.

[Elden Payton]

I didn't want Lance, but after seeing what we offered Hayward...I'll fly to America and pick up Lance and drive him to TWC Arena myself.