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Re: Marcin Gortat Polish Hammer appreciation thread. 

Post#401 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jul 7, 2014 4:25 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:True or False?

The Wizards did what a lot of teams would have done by overpaying to keep Gortat, one of their most reliable big men. They could have gotten him for a lot less than $60 million, as he had no intentions of leaving Washington, where he enjoys hanging out with his friends from the Polish Embassy. He has designs on going into politics when he retires. New York Daily News



Yes, it is true that this paragraph appeared on the New York Daily News website.


:lol:

Exactly.
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Post#402 » by _tr » Tue Jul 8, 2014 8:12 am

Gazeta Wyborcza wrote:http://m.wyborcza.pl/wyborcza/1,132749, ... y_Boy.html
Marcin Gortat. Bałuty Boy
Donata Subbotko 2014-07-04


This is article from main polish daily
Bałuty is a district of Łódź - about 200k of people - where Marcin was born and grow up. This is on of most dangerous of city districts in Poland (but still it isn't as half a dangerous as american most dangerous areas)

Sorry for any mistakes in translation

Donata Subbotko: $ 60 million. So much you will earn for the next five years in the Washington Wizards. It could be better?

Marcin Gortat: This is financial range in which I wanted to fit. I had the best season of his career and I tried to win as much as possible. What could be better? I am 30 years old, age is working against me. And in the NBA situation has recently stabilized, virtually every team has centers - younger and older - for it I might have lost a little in the negotiations. But I also wanted to play on in Washington, I feel good there. This is a team that has great potential and prospects for the coming years. It's good.

Donata Subbotko: Contract is ready, now what - any holiday?

Marcin Gortat:- I travel the entire season, I don't want to see another airplane flight or sleep in a hotel. I prefer my own bed. I like to sit at home in Florida. There is always something to fix, to upgrade, to learn Spanish or even to wash car out of boredom. Besides, now I'm single and I don't want to fly anywhere alone.

A year ago I parted with my girlfriend. After four years. I didn't think about it too much, I had to concentrate on basketball. I knew that this year ends the contract I signed in 2009, and my future life will depend on the new one. And OK. Maybe I will meet a new person, maybe not. It's impossible to plan it, especially when it comes to a woman who is to be the one.

Donata Subbotko: It's hard to find?

Marcin Gortat:- But always be looking for.

I would like to have a family, build something permanent with someone. Though, and so - in contrast to many Poles - I get up in the morning willingly, I'm doing something that I love, and yet I get for it a lot of money. It would be stupid if I wasn't happy.

Besides, I'm a loner. Even when I lived with a girl, I often wanted to be alone. I often isolate myself from colleagues too. They go together to the club, the restaurant, and I don't . I'm staying at home and I'm not answering the phone.

Donata Subbotko: What do you do?

Marcin Gortat:- I look at the wall. I look at a white wall and become lost in thought.

Donata Subbotko: About what?

Marcin Gortat:- About everything. About life, about where I am and where I want to be, I analyze my actions, the situation, what would be good for me and what would be not.

Donata Subbotko: And what is a conclusion?

Marcin Gortat:- If it wasn't good (as more pros than cons), I would not be in this place where I am. I try not to be arrogant, but thanks to the hard work I achieve goals that I set myself. I am sometimes stubborn, some say too much.

Donata Subbotko: Is this white wall building you (strengthening you)?

Marcin Gortat:- But I don't sit and rock, I just wonder about myself, I'm getting rid of unnecessary tension. For example, the back of a match where I dropped 30 points. Someone might think that I'm already a superstar. But I, like sit in front of the white wall, it will bring itself down. Today I throw, tomorrow this will be someone else. I'm not that good, that I had to become someone else. It's not enough. Every time I analyze what I did right, what wrong.

I changed in myself a lot over the years. Once I was a different person. I paid attention to what they write about me, what they say about me - people I don't know. Today, it has not affect on my mood. When I arrived in 2005 to the United States, I was a young head who had no clue about the world. America, NBA, basketball made ​​me a man.


This interview is rather long, so I will only summarise rest of it:
- he is talking about haters and envious persons in Poland, about differences in mentality between americans and poles.
- about his parents and place where he grow up
- that there is huge stress in leAgue (he is almost bald because of it), there is huge pressure for results. There is very big competition - for each position there are 3 other NBA players, and there are thousansd yong players who want to go to NBA
- because of stress about 8 for 10 player's relationships/marriages are falling apart.
- there is very hard to find woman who is after you and not money you earn, you can't be anonimous, you have no normal life
- if Marcin do something wrong or do mistake he is torturing/punishing himself - he train until he drop
- there is also something about polish politics and polish army but nothing important

Marcin: When I'm returning after training I immediately go to bed and in the morning I have pain in my knees, pain in the ankles, pain in the spine.
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Post#403 » by popper » Tue Jul 8, 2014 4:52 pm

Thanks for post TR. Interesting stuff. BTW, I know there's a lot of angst directed at the length of Gortat's contract but isn't Duncan 38 and weren't there a decent number of bigs throughout NBA history that were productive up to and north of 35 years old?
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Re: Marcin Gortat Polish Hammer appreciation thread. 

Post#404 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:05 pm

popper wrote:BTW, I know there's a lot of angst directed at the length of Gortat's contract but isn't Duncan 38 and weren't there a decent number of bigs throughout NBA history that were productive up to and north of 35 years old?


True, but it doesn't matter. As long as Ernie is GM, most here will assume the worst. Heck, Gortat could have signed for one season at the minimum and we'd be hearing "how could Ernie not lock up a competent big man longterm". LOL
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Post#405 » by Dat2U » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:20 pm

popper wrote:Thanks for post TR. Interesting stuff. BTW, I know there's a lot of angst directed at the length of Gortat's contract but isn't Duncan 38 and weren't there a decent number of bigs throughout NBA history that were productive up to and north of 35 years old?


I'm sure Duncan isn't the norm, especially since he's a HOF'er and arguably one of the greatest bigs of all time...

I'd love to see examples of non-HOF bigs that were quality starters in their mid-30s, but those may be few and far between.

There's no excuse for the 5th year. None, its basically indefensible.
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Post#406 » by popper » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:47 pm

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popper wrote:Thanks for post TR. Interesting stuff. BTW, I know there's a lot of angst directed at the length of Gortat's contract but isn't Duncan 38 and weren't there a decent number of bigs throughout NBA history that were productive up to and north of 35 years old?


I'm sure Duncan isn't the norm, especially since he's a HOF'er and arguably one of the greatest bigs of all time...

I'd love to see examples of non-HOF bigs that were quality starters in their mid-30s, but those may be few and far between.

There's no excuse for the 5th year. None, its basically indefensible.


Here's a link to NBA players that played past 40 years old. I count nine F/C that are not HOF players. The list would obviously be much longer if it was reduced to 35+. Were they productive? I don't know and it would take a fair amount of research to determine that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ol ... on_players
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Post#407 » by fishercob » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:57 pm

Dat2U wrote:
popper wrote:Thanks for post TR. Interesting stuff. BTW, I know there's a lot of angst directed at the length of Gortat's contract but isn't Duncan 38 and weren't there a decent number of bigs throughout NBA history that were productive up to and north of 35 years old?


I'm sure Duncan isn't the norm, especially since he's a HOF'er and arguably one of the greatest bigs of all time...

I'd love to see examples of non-HOF bigs that were quality starters in their mid-30s, but those may be few and far between.

There's no excuse for the 5th year. None, its basically indefensible.


Here's a list of 34+ year old forwards and centers in the 3 point era (since 79-80), sorted by WS/48. There are 80 seasons of average WS/48 or better.

I'm more interested in projecting productivity based on minutes played rather than pure age, but I can't figrue out how to do that on B-R.

The top of the list is heavy on HOFers -- Robinson, Kareem, Parrish, Sabonis (though his NBA production wasn't ever that prolific). You've also got decent to good seasons from guys like ELden Campbell, Camby, aging Zo, etc.

But if you buy the premise that Gortat is low mileage for his age, it's worth looking at the list of 32+ year old centers with the same criteria as above. Then you get nearly double the number of seasons (155) and see names like Ilgauskas, Dampier, Smits, Laimbeer, Sikma, etc.

There are two other pieces we don't know -- how the money per year is structured and what the cap will be in 5 years. I saw a recent critique (Zach Lowe?) on the Avery Bradley deal saying basically "$8M/yr seems like a ton of dough but within the next couple of years that's going to be the average salary b/c of expected growth in the BRI and the cap." So if the cap balloons and Gortat's contract is either flat or declining, it's very possible that Gortat's 5th year is either a reasonable value or a mild overpay. I think it;s unlikely that it turns into any type of cap albatross. They'd have to do something stupid like escalate his contract by 7.5% every year and his production would have to fall off a cliff.
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Post#408 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Jul 8, 2014 5:59 pm

The last year he becomes an expiring contract, which is valuable in and of itself.

So the big risk you are taking is that fourth year. It's safe to assume he'll be fine the next two seasons, barring injury. The two years after that he will probably decline significantly, like Nene did this last season.

So we've got another Nene-like contract.

Yeah, it sucks. But I'd still rather have Gortat than Monroe, so...
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Post#409 » by MarcoPolo » Wed Jul 9, 2014 7:34 pm

Gortat before today's game :D
He looks like this --> :swami:

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Post#410 » by JWizmentality » Wed Jul 9, 2014 11:07 pm

FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAcom/status/485585260738912258[/tweet]


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Post#411 » by Higga » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:11 pm

I love Gortat. Glad we kept him. I don't even know if I'd call what we gave him overpaid, Centers are just that highly valued and someone would have paid him if we didn't. I'd rather not go back to the Kevin Seraphin era at C.
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Post#412 » by MarcoPolo » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:48 pm

Contract signed !!! 2 photos in the link ;)

https://www.facebook.com/marcingortat.M ... 5190950942
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Post#413 » by Severn Hoos » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:49 pm

MarcoPolo wrote:Gortat before today's game :D
He looks like this --> :swami:

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Maybe Nene sent a consolation tweet to Gortat after yesterday's match....


But the real question is - why is Gortat in a barber shop? Is that really necessary?
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Post#414 » by pcbothwel » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:56 pm

So when do you find the contract specifics for Gortat? We already have Lowry's...
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Post#415 » by fishercob » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:38 pm

pcbothwel wrote:So when do you find the contract specifics for Gortat? We already have Lowry's...



The deal has been signed, so this stuff has to have been worked out by now, no?
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Post#416 » by nuposse04 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:28 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/status/487345724439658496[/tweet]

I'm guessing they're banking on the new TV deal will cause an increase in the cap down the line...if not...ouch....
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Post#417 » by hands11 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:56 pm

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/7/10 ... ba-wizards

2014-15: 10.4 million

2015-16: $11.2 million

2016-17: $12 million

2017-18: $12.74 million

2018-19: 13.5 million

I had him at 10.5M in my calculation. Good enough for government work. So we have 100K more then I expected. Except Wall deal going up. Thats the real ouch.
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Post#418 » by W. Unseld » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:36 pm

The 5th year is valuable as a cap clearer for other teams. Also, anyone else notice Gortat really sticking up for Otto? I'm hoping it's b/c Otto is really good, not b/c they're just buds.
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Post#419 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:42 pm

W. Unseld wrote:The 5th year is valuable as a cap clearer for other teams. Also, anyone else notice Gortat really sticking up for Otto? I'm hoping it's b/c Otto is really good, not b/c they're just buds.


I don't think Gortat would say "I think he's an average player who doesn't have what it takes".
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