The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[PhxSunsFan1234]

So say we make no moves, and get Bledsoe for 4/$55.

Bledsoe: $13.25 mil
Goran: $13.25 mil
Markieff: $9 mil
Len: $3.8 mil
Plumlee: $2.1 mil
Goodwin: $1.1 mil
Warren: $1.6 mil
Ennis: $1.3 mil
Beasley: $777k

Thats about $46 million locked up there. Decisions on whether to keep Marcus, if we sign Tucker or not

Goran will opt out. Will want same or more than Bledsoe. So say he gets same deal $13.25 mil. Markieff gets $9 mil (you'd assume if Frye got $8; not sure i'd pay Kieff $9 mil tho).

Salary cap this year is $63 million, probably will be in the $66-$69 million next year. Will we have that much money next year to play with? Or will it be very tight and no possible max offer?

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Regarding Monroe, unless he's a solid rebounder, I want no part of him. I'd rather just re-sign Kieff next year.
Getting Monroe means Kieff is 100% gone as we're not paying the max to two decent big men.

wtf? did you just imply some team giving Markieff Morris a max contract? LOL

Assuming he starts and plays at or better than the level of last year, why is it hard to believe some team will try it? Are Hayward or Parsons anything close to a max deal? Even Bledsoe.

He's going to get 8 figured unless he regresses. For a team to get him from us, they'd have to overpay.

If Markieff Morris gets a contract over $10 million a year, than the NBA has a HUGE problem and there will be another lockout.

Hayward worth max? No, but he was worth about $12 million.
Bledsoe max? No, again worth probably $12 million
Parsons max? No. $10-$12 million

Kieff is $8 max and thats stretching it.

[TASTIC]

James Johnson 2yr deal to TOR, hopefully takes them out of Tucker sweepstakes, very similar defensive SFs

[bwoolf2]

wtf? did you just imply some team giving Markieff Morris a max contract? LOL

Assuming he starts and plays at or better than the level of last year, why is it hard to believe some team will try it? Are Hayward or Parsons anything close to a max deal? Even Bledsoe.

He's going to get 8 figured unless he regresses. For a team to get him from us, they'd have to overpay.

If Markieff Morris gets a contract over $10 million a year, than the NBA has a HUGE problem and there will be another lockout.

Hayward worth max? No, but he was worth about $12 million.
Bledsoe max? No, again worth probably $12 million
Parsons max? No. $10-$12 million

Kieff is $8 max and thats stretching it.

Im assuming you are going off of what Kieff has done so far, because if he has a breakout year this year he is going to get paid thats just how it works.

[bwgood77]

Why don't we sign and lockup Dragic THIS YEAR. Sell him on the fact he will make 8 million more this year so we can discount the rest of the contract.

5 year 55 million same as Lowry

1st year 15 million
Next 4 at 10

It's essential to a 4 year 13 million dollars a year contract bc he will make 8 more this year than his current contract. He's happy then we are happy bc we grt Dragic at 10 mill for 4 more years

He wouldn't do it. Can't get more than like a small percentage raise on last contract. After his 7th year, next summer, he can be paid up to like $17 million. Look at max contracts for 7-9 year players...in this thread a few pages back I posted a link to the amounts or it is one of the links on the top thread of the Suns page.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why don't we sign and lockup Dragic THIS YEAR. Sell him on the fact he will make 8 million more this year so we can discount the rest of the contract.

5 year 55 million same as Lowry

1st year 15 million
Next 4 at 10

It's essential to a 4 year 13 million dollars a year contract bc he will make 8 more this year than his current contract. He's happy then we are happy bc we grt Dragic at 10 mill for 4 more years

that's a good thought but I'm not sure it's legal in the cba to extend him this offseason. And if it is I'm pretty sure it would kick in after next season so he would be locked in at the 7.5 mil for 2 more yrs.

Someone who knows more about the cba please correct me if I'm wrong.

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[NTB]

James Johnson 2yr deal to TOR, hopefully takes them out of Tucker sweepstakes, very similar defensive SFs

Yea but what about Memphis then? I think they'll push for Tucker.

[Puff]

wtf? did you just imply some team giving Markieff Morris a max contract? LOL

Assuming he starts and plays at or better than the level of last year, why is it hard to believe some team will try it? Are Hayward or Parsons anything close to a max deal? Even Bledsoe.

He's going to get 8 figured unless he regresses. For a team to get him from us, they'd have to overpay.

If Markieff Morris gets a contract over $10 million a year, than the NBA has a HUGE problem and there will be another lockout.

Hayward worth max? No, but he was worth about $12 million.
Bledsoe max? No, again worth probably $12 million
Parsons max? No. $10-$12 million

Kieff is $8 max and thats stretching it.

Everyone is so wrong on estimating Markieff's value going forward, IMO. If he regresses you are probably correct that he is not worth more $8M. If he progresses again this year he will easily demand $10M +per year next summer. It seems that he is not afraid to put in the effort to make himself better and I expect big things out of him this coming season. I also believe in his brother Marcus and would not be surprised if he has dramatic improvement this coming season as well.

Markieff is young (24), skilled, never been injured (to my Knowledge), able to play inside and out, never been in trouble off the court (to my knowledge) and appears to be a good teammate. If he can improve his rebounding and defense he will move up everyone's board.

If he were on another team this summer I expect that he would be on our hot list.

The thought of being able to sign both Marcus and Markieff for a total less than $10 mil next summer, that is a high figure being passed around on most boards this past season, is just not going to happen. I expect them to go as a pair for somewhere between 15 and 20 Mil.

I am glad they are on our them and would very much like to keep them going forward.

JMO

[Kerrsed]

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[PhxSunsFan1234]

Assuming he starts and plays at or better than the level of last year, why is it hard to believe some team will try it? Are Hayward or Parsons anything close to a max deal? Even Bledsoe.

He's going to get 8 figured unless he regresses. For a team to get him from us, they'd have to overpay.

If Markieff Morris gets a contract over $10 million a year, than the NBA has a HUGE problem and there will be another lockout.

Hayward worth max? No, but he was worth about $12 million.
Bledsoe max? No, again worth probably $12 million
Parsons max? No. $10-$12 million

Kieff is $8 max and thats stretching it.

Im assuming you are going off of what Kieff has done so far, because if he has a breakout year this year he is going to get paid thats just how it works.

I don't expect Markieff Morris to have a breakout year and average 20/10. His averages will increase slightly, probably shooting a lower percentage.

[ShawnBronald]

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It's interesting that Coro seems to hint that LeBron never actually listened to the Suns' pitch. I could have sworn that ray ray mentioned they either got a meeting with him or were able to have direct communication. Perhaps I'm just misremembering (that's a word, right?).

[nevetsov]

I'm with you Nevs, but I believe a three way with Bled is the only way that happens.may be Detroit would part with Monroe for EB... Would Monroe and a couple firsts be adequate for Minny?

Absolutely, I'd be ok with something like that. I just think Bledsoe's strength as a complement next to Goran comes in the form of his ability to guard PGs (Goran cannot guard the quicker PGs at all) and a bit of secondary playmaking and slashing. This is exactly what Archie brings to us - obviously not as polished as EB but if he can play shutdown D on the PGs, I would gladly take that as a baseline and let him grow into the role from there.

And worst, a Dragic/Love combo could snag us a haul at the deadline from an injury riddled contender.

[ruiner]

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I have a feeling Houston's just holding it up. Once the offer sheet is faxed or signed, clock ticks. If they can do this, Bron can make his decision, they can either get Bosh or not, and if he does, they go over matching for Parsons. Bosh is key first.

[0013]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

[JTrain]

Is the wait and inactivity starting to get to peoples' heads? Archie has potential, sure. So do countless other players that never end up amounting to much. Dragic is a proven commodity, the first Suns All-NBA member in four years and the soul of the team.

Also, all this talk about not paying $25M+ for two point guards is unsettling. Who cares what people may label them? The fact is, they are two basketball players who happen to have been extremely effective on the court together. In 31 games that they both started and did not go out with injury, they won 23. That's a 74.2% winning percentage (the Spurs won 75.6% in the regular season). So whether you call them point guards, shooting guards or synchronized swimmers, the important part is they are our two best basketball players and they play very well together.

[ShawnBronald]

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[Phnxsports]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

[ruiner]

I only worry about paying a lot to Goran/Bledsoe because that can handcuff us to improve elsewhere especially upfront and keep a semblance of depth. If can get a Love for Bledsoe as a core piece going there, I think we have to do it.


Wiggins is intriguing if Wolves really do want established talent and can work something out there. Say if Love is going to Cavs in that scenario.

[Phystic]

So say we make no moves, and get Bledsoe for 4/$55.

Bledsoe: $13.25 mil
Goran: $13.25 mil
Markieff: $9 mil
Len: $3.8 mil
Plumlee: $2.1 mil
Goodwin: $1.1 mil
Warren: $1.6 mil
Ennis: $1.3 mil
Beasley: $777k

Thats about $46 million locked up there. Decisions on whether to keep Marcus, if we sign Tucker or not

Goran will opt out. Will want same or more than Bledsoe. So say he gets same deal $13.25 mil. Markieff gets $9 mil (you'd assume if Frye got $8; not sure i'd pay Kieff $9 mil tho).

Salary cap this year is $63 million, probably will be in the $66-$69 million next year. Will we have that much money next year to play with? Or will it be very tight and no possible max offer?

Didn't you answer you're own question? 46 + 9 + 13 = $68M. So in your scenario. No we would have no money. Also, why do you have Beasley on there for 777k?

[ShawnBronald]

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

The only way I really see that happening is if there's a 3rd team involved that would be acquiring Wiggins and trading their players/assets to Minnesota.