The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[ruiner]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

This is true too though. Wolves also want to wait to see what happens with the 3 in Miami and listen again to offers. Could leave the door open for us.

[0013]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

Supposedly Cleveland already has the deal in place with Minny and are waiting for LeBron to sign his new contract before completing the trade. I imagine it's something like Wiggins+Waiters+Fillers/Picks for Love.

[Phystic]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

I see no reason why Minny wouldn't accept a Wiggins, Bennett and Varejao. Get a guy that softens the blow of losing a rebounder in your front court. Get a former #1 pick who hasn't had a chance to prove anything yet and potential the next big superstar.

[Saberestar]

Restricted free agent P.J. Tucker was at US Airways Center on Wednesday, meeting with Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver and Hornacek during the summer team's practice.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... 5a0a727f72

I read somewhere that Ish Smith was at US Aiways Center the same day too, probably they are negotiating or confirming that he is a Sun next year, he is under contract one more year.
About Tucker, I think he has some restrictions about the maximun that he can receive, isn't? I think he can not make more than Mid-Level money...or not, IDK. Some expert in the CBA, please.

[MrMiyagi]

I see no reason why Minny wouldn't accept a Wiggins, Bennett and Varejao. Get a guy that softens the blow of losing a rebounder in your front court. Get a former #1 pick who hasn't had a chance to prove anything yet and potential the next big superstar.

I think you just pointed out the reason why Cleveland shouldn't do it.

Seriously, if you're Lebron, isn't Wiggins part of the draw of going to Cleveland? He has the potential to guard the opponent's best perimeter player so Lebron doesn't have to work so hard on both ends of the court. Not to mention it gives him someone to groom and have a Robinson/Duncan type of relationship.

[ruiner]

So I was discussing LeDecision 2.0 with my buddy and he had an interesting proposal. Let's say LeBron signs with Cleveland, and Cleveland flips Wiggins to Minny for Love. If that sequence of events were to occur, should we try to trade Dragic for Wiggins?

Minny has stated they want players who can help them compete now rather than in the future, and Goran certainly fits that profile. Personally, I wouldn't approve of that trade without other significant assets coming back but I was curious how you all felt about it.

A lot of people keep saying Wiggins for Love, but I still don't see how the Cavs get Love. What trash would Cleveland have to send over to make it work under the cap? Wolves aren't going to want that even if you include a couple picks are they?

I see no reason why Minny wouldn't accept a Wiggins, Bennett and Varejao. Get a guy that softens the blow of losing a rebounder in your front court. Get a former #1 pick who hasn't had a chance to prove anything yet and potential the next big superstar.

I think Varejao is a Bron favorite.

[Frank Lee]

Is the wait and inactivity starting to get to peoples' heads? Archie has potential, sure. So do countless other players that never end up amounting to much. Dragic is a proven commodity, the first Suns All-NBA member in four years and the soul of the team.

Also, all this talk about not paying $25M+ for two point guards is unsettling. Who cares what people may label them? The fact is, they are two basketball players who happen to have been extremely effective on the court together. In 31 games that they both started and did not go out with injury, they won 23. That's a 74.2% winning percentage (the Spurs won 75.6% in the regular season). So whether you call them point guards, shooting guards or synchronized swimmers, the important part is they are our two best basketball players and they play very well together.

CHOO CHOO .... Alllllll aboard ... Tickets please

Regardless of the all the greener pasture people, we are on the right track and McDo is the engineer

[edmjet]

I think that our GM is a sharp dude, and hopefully he's like a silent assassin! Making all the right moves at the right moment! I do think right now we are a very young promising team with lots of assets! Yes we should pull the trigger on a trade or signing if its a great deal for us- like a Kevin Love or someone along those lines. I don't want us to trade a bunch of our young guns to get something that were not all jacked up about! I think our Front office is being patient and waiting for some other teams to do something stupid! I do have high hopes for Len and Archie! Those dudes just need to DO WORK BABY!!!

[SunsFanSSOL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/487287566161707008[/tweet]

It's interesting that Coro seems to hint that LeBron never actually listened to the Suns' pitch. I could have sworn that ray ray mentioned they either got a meeting with him or were able to have direct communication. Perhaps I'm just misremembering (that's a word, right?).

I'm going to have to trust Coro here over anonymous internet "insiders."

[nevetsov]

If Bron signs with CLE, they should sign Olowokandi too. Rock a starting lineup with 5 #1 picks!

Irving/ Wiggins/ James/ Bennett/ Kandi

and a couple of #4 overalls off the bench in Waiters and Thompson. Too bad they traded Zeller.

[SSOL]

Met with his agent. That's what was always known. No one other than Miami, not even Cleveland, met with James in person. That was confirmed by ESPN today.

[Wormwood74]

I am not sure I understand what the FO is doing. Every way I look at it, without Frye we're a worse team. Tucker was worth a few wins as well. If we're replacing them with, well, replacement level players we will be, in probability, a sub-.500 team.

How do you go into an offseason with 3 first round picks, and $35 million in cap space and still come out a worse team than before? It take a special kind of stupid. (*cough Kahn*) I don't think McD's stupid, far from it, but I am failing to see a vision. Hell, even trading cap space for bad contracts and draft picks would be something I could grasp. This? I'm not sure I get it.

[Sunsdeuce]

I am not sure I understand what the FO is doing. Every way I look at it, without Frye we're a worse team. Tucker was worth a few wins as well. If we're replacing them with, well, replacement level players we will be, in probability, a sub-.500 team.

How do you go into an offseason with 3 first round picks, and $35 million in cap space and still come out a worse team than before? It take a special kind of stupid. (*cough Kahn*) I don't think McD's stupid, far from it, but I am failing to see a vision. Hell, even trading cap space for bad contracts and draft picks would be something I could grasp. This? I'm not sure I get it.

I feel ya. There is no way anyone can say this team is better today than it was last year.


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[nevetsov]

Back to back former #1 overall picks seems like a massive haul for what could be a one year rental. Imagine if he did bolt back to Minny after this season to join them...

[MrMiyagi]

Why is everyone acting like the offseason is over?

[asudevil]

So say we make no moves, and get Bledsoe for 4/$55.

Bledsoe: $13.25 mil
Goran: $13.25 mil
Markieff: $9 mil
Len: $3.8 mil
Plumlee: $2.1 mil
Goodwin: $1.1 mil
Warren: $1.6 mil
Ennis: $1.3 mil
Beasley: $777k

Thats about $46 million locked up there. Decisions on whether to keep Marcus, if we sign Tucker or not

Goran will opt out. Will want same or more than Bledsoe. So say he gets same deal $13.25 mil. Markieff gets $9 mil (you'd assume if Frye got $8; not sure i'd pay Kieff $9 mil tho).

Salary cap this year is $63 million, probably will be in the $66-$69 million next year. Will we have that much money next year to play with? Or will it be very tight and no possible max offer?

Didn't you answer you're own question? 46 + 9 + 13 = $68M. So in your scenario. No we would have no money. Also, why do you have Beasley on there for 777k?

Beasley is owed 777k over the next 3 years as part of his buyout/stretch provision.

[gaspar]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/487305966115774464[/tweet]

[JTrain]

I can't grasp how LeBron is going to Cleveland without a single meeting with Dan Gilbert or David Griffin.

[gaspar]

I am not sure I understand what the FO is doing. Every way I look at it, without Frye we're a worse team. Tucker was worth a few wins as well. If we're replacing them with, well, replacement level players we will be, in probability, a sub-.500 team.

How do you go into an offseason with 3 first round picks, and $35 million in cap space and still come out a worse team than before? It take a special kind of stupid. (*cough Kahn*) I don't think McD's stupid, far from it, but I am failing to see a vision. Hell, even trading cap space for bad contracts and draft picks would be something I could grasp. This? I'm not sure I get it.

Dude, the season starts in 4 months.

[ruiner]

I am not sure I understand what the FO is doing. Every way I look at it, without Frye we're a worse team. Tucker was worth a few wins as well. If we're replacing them with, well, replacement level players we will be, in probability, a sub-.500 team.

How do you go into an offseason with 3 first round picks, and $35 million in cap space and still come out a worse team than before? It take a special kind of stupid. (*cough Kahn*) I don't think McD's stupid, far from it, but I am failing to see a vision. Hell, even trading cap space for bad contracts and draft picks would be something I could grasp. This? I'm not sure I get it.

Hopefully, we're looking Ryan Anderson as a natural replacement.