2014 Heat Offseason Thread 11.0 - Thundercats!

[Myam333]

Serious question and I'm just curious.... IF Lebron does go to Cavs will Heat fans turn on Wade for playing with everyone's emotions with hanging out with Lebron this past week IF he already knew his choice?? Thanks for your input!

We're going to put pictures of Wade's face with his mouth open on urinal cakes all over Miami.

I really was just curious... Like I said I don't really care where he goes! Yes- I am on your board because you guys share alot of twitter post of people I don't follow. I just thought I saw an article that Wade learned from shaq about playing with the Media.. I could be completely wrong! I was just curious

I wasn't serious. I only said it because that's what Cleveland did with LeBron.

[eltercero]

He didn't **** on anyone. He decided to leave. He didn't bad mouth Cleveland, their fans or the organization. Saying you got **** on because someone didn't choose you is just low self esteem. And you guys are showing it all over again

Lebron made it seem like he would stay in CLE and then he waits until basically the last minute to inform the world that he's going to leave as the Cavs are left with nothing in return. He **** on Cleveland on national television, a city which up to that point had given him nothing but praise and love. He talked about loyalty and stopping at nothing to bring us a championship but instead opted to take the easier road to championships by teaming up with 2 of the best players in the league. And then the very next day, he puts on a whole parade at the welcome party celebrating as if he's already won a championship.

Dan Gilbert's letter was necessary at the time and Cleveland (as well as many other fan bases) rallied around him. It's easy to forget what Lebron did and point the finger at Gilbert now but IMO both of them screwed up.

Nevertheless, I put aside any hatred for Lebron long ago and I want him back. And I truly believe he's coming back to the Cavs. There's just too many signs pointing to his return.

(Cue Coming Home by Diddy)

Sorry, you weren't owed anything. He didn't do anything different last time that he hasn't done this time except a tv show. In fact he's taking longer now. Should the heat org write a letter for hindering our chances at another FA? Please!

Also, seriously you think that Lebron put on that pep rally? that was a Heat thing. He just showed up. We did the same for Shaq in 2004 I don't recall Laker fans whining about it.

There's a difference between taking a long time to decide and going on national tv, making a huge deal out of his decision, to publicly inform the world that he's leaving Cleveland before even informing anybody in the Cavs organization. He basically held his middle finger up to the city and said, "I'm off to bigger and better things." Obviously you wouldn't understand because you don't live in Cleveland but it was devastating at the time. It wasn't the fact that he left but the way he did it.

And Shaq didn't proclaim, "Not one, not two, not three..."

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

There might be a possibility that this is all setting up for a big "making up" and Dan Gilbert publicly apologizes for his actions, and then he and LeBron make up and he goes back to Cavaliers.

I have very little faith he is coming back to Miami. He sounds like he is done here.

[DeeDub]

I said long ago that I thought LeBron would come back to Miami and would explain to Cavs fans that he loves them and loves Cleveland, but as a man, he simply can't go to the Cavs as long as Gilbert owns it. That would turn the fans ire to Gilbert and it's hard not to understand. I don't know if this is really a massive troll job, but if it is, it's way more elaborate than I every would have imagined. The two things that make me think that is even possible are the fact that when in the 2010 aftermath, LeBron tweeted (or said) something to the effect of "don't think for a second that I am not keeping track of everything bad said about him and who said it," and the fact that Sheridan has been leading the back-to-Cleveland chorus, he's the one who didn't vote LeBron to the first team and Wade favorited the tweet about that as one of his relatively few tweets. These guys are absolutely plugged into social media and I absolutely could imagine them having a lot of fun at Dan Gilbert's and Sheridan's expense.

Another thing stemming from the letter: LeBron is the undisputed King of his Kingdom (i.e., his circle of family, friends and advisors). If he reacted to Gilbert's letter and the way he was treated in Cleveland after he left the way I (or most people would), I don't believe anyone in his inner circle would have had the temerity to even try to convince him to go back to Cleveland/Gilbert. It would have been an absolute non-starter. LeBron and all of his people know they can live in Cleveland in the offseason and in a few years when his career is over. There is no reason he should have to eat a bucket of s**t and go to work for Dan Gilbert.

[mopper8]

Lebron made it seem like he would stay in CLE and then he waits until basically the last minute to inform the world that he's going to leave as the Cavs are left with nothing in return. He **** on Cleveland on national television, a city which up to that point had given him nothing but praise and love. He talked about loyalty and stopping at nothing to bring us a championship but instead opted to take the easier road to championships by teaming up with 2 of the best players in the league. And then the very next day, he puts on a whole parade at the welcome party celebrating as if he's already won a championship.

Dan Gilbert's letter was necessary at the time and Cleveland (as well as many other fan bases) rallied around him. It's easy to forget what Lebron did and point the finger at Gilbert now but IMO both of them screwed up.

Nevertheless, I put aside any hatred for Lebron long ago and I want him back. And I truly believe he's coming back to the Cavs. There's just too many signs pointing to his return.

(Cue Coming Home by Diddy)

Sorry, you weren't owed anything. He didn't do anything different last time that he hasn't done this time except a tv show. In fact he's taking longer now. Should the heat org write a letter for hindering our chances at another FA? Please!

Also, seriously you think that Lebron put on that pep rally? that was a Heat thing. He just showed up. We did the same for Shaq in 2004 I don't recall Laker fans whining about it.

There's a difference between taking a long time to decide and going on national tv, making a huge deal out of his decision, to publicly inform the world that he's leaving Cleveland before even informing anybody in the Cavs organization. He basically held his middle finger up to the city and said, "I'm off to bigger and better things." Obviously you wouldn't understand because you don't live in Cleveland but it was devastating at the time. It wasn't the fact that he left but the way he did it.

And Shaq didn't proclaim, "Not one, not two, not three..."

Shaq guaranteed he would win a title in Miami

[eltercero]

You're going to need a source (that doesn't originate from Cleveland) to convince us.

Not convinced.

It's obviously going to have to originate from Cleveland. No reporters or any other people outside of Xleveland are visiting our web page. It existed on a stagnated archive page that could be accessed externally. Even though it was removed from the website, one could still access it through difficult means. You don't have to believe me. Just stating what I know.

Like I said many times precede to the exit of this thread and leave our forum and go back where you came from

It's an open forum dude. Relax. I'm not insulting anyone. Just debating.

[KingHomer]

Two things:

1. If Lebron does leave, which i still think might happen. I want my damn picks back, Gilbert.

2. I just don't get why Bosh would leave Miami if Lebron leaves. I get that Houston is a contender w/ Bosh but only because OF Bosh. Miami can still offer him a better contract no?

[kib0yski]

To be honest. Im not buying that letter thing.


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you mean you're not buying it all of a sudden being an issue, right? the letter was always going to be a problem with lebron. their is hate in that letter. after what lebron said about sterling, i bet he feels similarly towards gilbert.

I mean if the letter still an issue. Why is he still undecided? If that's the case stay Miami.


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[Heat_Fan_87]

the best thing that can happen is lebron staying here and saying he wanted to return him but gilbert. turn the cle fans on gilbert. lmao

[contract]

Today it's Lebron hasn't signed with the Cavs over the 4 year old letter ... yesterday it was Lebron is going back to Cleveland because he took offense at Riley's end of season press conference.

You people understand that all these reports are BS, right?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

the best thing that can happen is lebron staying here and saying he wanted to return him but gilbert. turn the cle fans on gilbert. lmao

Nah. The Best thing that could happen is LeBron gets Dan Gilbert to publicly apologize and retract his offensive letter, and then he still picks Miami and says thanks.

[KingHomer]

To be honest. Im not buying that letter thing.


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you mean you're not buying it all of a sudden being an issue, right? the letter was always going to be a problem with lebron. their is hate in that letter. after what lebron said about sterling, i bet he feels similarly towards gilbert.

I mean if the letter still an issue. Why is he still undecided? If that's the case stay Miami.


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Because like DeeDub said a post above, it could be a ploy to put the onus on Dan Gilbert. And I have thought about this recently during a conversation with my buddies. It's the safest route for Lebron to say that he's inclined to sign with Cleveland because of how great of a story it is and the main culrpit being his family in his ear. But the best way to appease everyone would be to stay in Miami and claim that the reason he's not going home is because of Sterling 2.0. That way in 2 years he could go back to Cleveland to a Gilbertless led Cavs, where his entourage can truly have power.

I dont know. I feel like Rust Cohle at this point.

[HEAT111]

Lebron made it seem like he would stay in CLE and then he waits until basically the last minute to inform the world that he's going to leave as the Cavs are left with nothing in return. He **** on Cleveland on national television, a city which up to that point had given him nothing but praise and love. He talked about loyalty and stopping at nothing to bring us a championship but instead opted to take the easier road to championships by teaming up with 2 of the best players in the league. And then the very next day, he puts on a whole parade at the welcome party celebrating as if he's already won a championship.

Dan Gilbert's letter was necessary at the time and Cleveland (as well as many other fan bases) rallied around him. It's easy to forget what Lebron did and point the finger at Gilbert now but IMO both of them screwed up.

Nevertheless, I put aside any hatred for Lebron long ago and I want him back. And I truly believe he's coming back to the Cavs. There's just too many signs pointing to his return.

(Cue Coming Home by Diddy)

Sorry, you weren't owed anything. He didn't do anything different last time that he hasn't done this time except a tv show. In fact he's taking longer now. Should the heat org write a letter for hindering our chances at another FA? Please!

Also, seriously you think that Lebron put on that pep rally? that was a Heat thing. He just showed up. We did the same for Shaq in 2004 I don't recall Laker fans whining about it.

There's a difference between taking a long time to decide and going on national tv, making a huge deal out of his decision, to publicly inform the world that he's leaving Cleveland before even informing anybody in the Cavs organization. He basically held his middle finger up to the city and said, "I'm off to bigger and better things." Obviously you wouldn't understand because you don't live in Cleveland but it was devastating at the time. It wasn't the fact that he left but the way he did it.

And Shaq didn't proclaim, "Not one, not two, not three..."

For the love of god, he didn't promise anything. He was having fun just saying that. Then he follows with "We BELIEVE we could win multiple championships if we take care of business"

And about the Decision. Maybe you're right, he should have told at least the Cavalier's fan and the organization that it was time for goodbye. He publicly admitted it was his mistake. It was still for a good cause. So its what ever....

[bobly]

Whenever people bring up the "not one, not two, not three..." I question if they have ever been to a pep rally before. They continue to remind us about that as if we're disappointed with only 2 titles. Well, I am not disappointed nor did I expect 8 consecutive championships.

Imagine if in high school if after the season was done, if everyone called out the basketball team for not going to state. That's how ridiculous these people are they got worked up over a pep rally and they still are.

[fast-break]

Today it's Lebron hasn't signed with the Cavs over the 4 year old letter ... yesterday it was Lebron is going back to Cleveland because he took offense at Riley's end of season press conference.

You people understand that all these reports are BS, right?

About the only thing you've ever said that was right.

[DeeDub]

Maybe the delay is waiting for the piece de resistance of this elaborate scheme -- to get the Cavs to pull the trigger on a Wiggins for Love deal only for LeBron to return to Miami and Love to bail Cleveland after a year. That would be filthy.

[Sonny Carson]

There might be a possibility that this is all setting up for a big "making up" and Dan Gilbert publicly apologizes for his actions, and then he and LeBron make up and he goes back to Cavaliers.

I have very little faith he is coming back to Miami. He sounds like he is done here.

All I know is LeBron let another one of his Cleveland friends hurt his image during free agency.

He let Maverick Carter set up The Decision.

And I really believe Rich Paul is a huge factor in the Indecision. Rich Paul has done nothing to shoot down these rumors, temper expectations (of going back to Cleveland) and doing whats best for his client.


I honestly thought there was no way LeBron could look as bad as he did in 2010. I thought if he stayed in Miami...people would respect him for wanting to bounce back after a finals loss. If he went to Cleveland...well at least he went home and didnt go ring chasing on another squad.


However, once again. A free agency has been botched by a homeboy. You called that one right. Even if he re-signs its going to be 2011 hate toward us imo. He better be ready for it.

[eltercero]

Shaq guaranteed he would win a title in Miami[/quote]

I'll a admit what Shaq did was bad, too, but I think what Lebron did was worse simply because of the circumstances. Lebron is and was held to a much higher standard than Shaq ever was. Plus, this is Lebron's hometown (yes, Akron is part of the Greater Cleveland area) and he had just ripped the hearts out of many fans. In addition to all of this, Shaq was coming off of three championships unlike Lebron, so I think he had accomplished enough to be so confident.

[arbsn]

I honestly think these sources (Teams) are trolling the hell out of all of us.

Yesterday, it was LeBron didnt like Riley's press conference.

Today its LeBron still made about Dan Gilbert's letter.

Its gamesmanship and the media/fans are eating it up.

Agreed. It's misinformation. None of this is actually true.

LeBron never said "I'm not deciding right now because I'm still thinking of Dan Gilbert's letter"

No, what happened was one of these ESPN-Miami-LeBron-Dedicated writers made an assumption because it is a reasonable assumption and now it's fact.

This free agency is just another reality TV show,

[Temuhjan]

Bottom line in my opinion is that it's going to be a lot harder for LeBron to say goodbye to Riley, Wade, Bosh, Miami fans who he won titles with. People that embraced him and took him to the top.

A lot harder to leave than than it is to go back to a fan base that burned his jersey, and an owner that tried to publicly humiliate him. I've thought the Heat all along, the Cavs thing doesn't make any sense at all.

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