Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[LyricalRico]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 10s
Sacramento restricted free agent Isaiah Thomas has reached agreement on an offer sheet with Phoenix, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Wow, not getting that one. He'll be behind both Dragic and Bledsoe.

At first glance, it's worse than I thought. $27M for a backup PG?

Ken Berger @KBergCBS now

Suns presented RFA Thomas with a four-year, $27m offer sheet. Kings no interest in matching; Thomas no interest in staying, sources say.

Unless they are trading Dragic. Maybe those supposed talks with Indy actually have legs?

[LyricalRico]

Supposedly Jordan Hill 2 years 18 million to return to the Lakers. edit: on wiretap now.

And I was shocked to read that Nick "I love me some cinnamon" Young averaged 17.9 points a game last year and got a 4 year 21.5 million deal.

Must mean they're keeping Gasol (albeit on a smaller deal than his current cap hold). I can't imagine they'd renounce him and then use their cap space on Lin/Hill/Young.

If they can deal Nash for help at SF, they'd be decent.

Hill/Sacre
Gasol/Randle
???/???
Kobe/Young
Lin/Marshall

[LyricalRico]

Morey must really feel like the proverbial bride's maid when it comes to having cap space.

What makes it worse is they explicitly gave up Asik/Lin AND a pick to obtain that cap space, only to get left at the altar by Bosh. Now, they basically have less than 48 hours to come up with something before the match Parsons, thus eating up their cap space and making them look like total idiots.

[Induveca]

Ariza to Miami….

Is that a prediction or a scoop?

Just what some Dominicans I know are saying in Miami, after I laughed at them via phone about James. Same guys who told me he disliked living in DC years ago.

Take it for what it's worth. Likely nothing, but one of the guys does know Ariza, he plays pickup ball with him in a Miami Dominican neighborhood in the summers....and knows his family.

[LyricalRico]

Supposedly Jordan Hill 2 years 18 million to return to the Lakers. edit: on wiretap now.

And I was shocked to read that Nick "I love me some cinnamon" Young averaged 17.9 points a game last year and got a 4 year 21.5 million deal.

Must mean they're keeping Gasol (albeit on a smaller deal than his current cap hold). I can't imagine they'd renounce him and then use their cap space on Lin/Hill/Young.

I guess I was wrong...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/487727989933998080[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/quixem/status/487729538676166656[/tweet]

[nate33]

I'd say the team without Parsons will be the frontrunner.

So, the no-brainer competition for Ariza (e.g., equivalent/better money + great basketball fit) will be:
If Melo stays in NYK: CHI and HOU-or-DAL
if Melo goes to CHI: HOU-or-DAL
if Melo goes to LAL: HOU-or-DAL, LAL? (maybe if they renounce Pau; dunno if they have room w/ Lin's contract, though)

Of course, if Ariza prizes warm weather/nightlife over basketball fit, then MIA and LAL-without-Melo are back in the running in a big way.

And, of course, any one of these teams could make a godfather offer to Ariza and make the decision entirely about money.

Agreed. And don't forget that Deng is in the mix. Dallas knows Washington really wants Ariza back. They might conclude that since Deng doesn't belong to a team with Bird Rights, he might be easier and cheaper to obtain.

[LyricalRico]

But letting Gasol walk still doesn't help the Lakers.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/487729122760613888[/tweet]

Maybe Gasol leaves in a sign and trade? Otherwise, they won't win 35 games in the West next year.

Hill
Randle
Kobe
Young
Lin

Hey Kobe, I hope you enjoy counting your money because that's really all you're playing for at this point. It certainly won't be championships.

[nate33]

Wow, not getting that one. He'll be behind both Dragic and Bledsoe.

At first glance, it's worse than I thought. $27M for a backup PG?

Ken Berger @KBergCBS now

Suns presented RFA Thomas with a four-year, $27m offer sheet. Kings no interest in matching; Thomas no interest in staying, sources say.

Unless they are trading Dragic. Maybe those supposed talks with Indy actually have legs?

Wow. Thomas puts up terrific numbers. I'm pretty surprised Sacramento doesn't match that. I realize Thomas is too small to be an effective defender, but good grief, the man posts a PER of 20.5, and an ORtg of 114 at the age of 24.

This deal also makes very little sense for Phoenix. Just completely head-scratching. The only thing that makes sense would be some sort of Dragic for Stevenson sign and trade.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, not getting that one. He'll be behind both Dragic and Bledsoe.

At first glance, it's worse than I thought. $27M for a backup PG?

Ken Berger @KBergCBS now

Suns presented RFA Thomas with a four-year, $27m offer sheet. Kings no interest in matching; Thomas no interest in staying, sources say.

Unless they are trading Dragic. Maybe those supposed talks with Indy actually have legs?

Wow. Thomas puts up terrific numbers. I'm pretty surprised Sacramento doesn't match that. I realize Thomas is too small to be an effective defender, but good grief, the man posts a PER of 20.5, and an ORtg of 114 at the age of 24.

This deal also makes very little sense for Phoenix. Just completely head-scratching. The only thing that makes sense would be some sort of Dragic for Stevenson sign and trade.

I guess I should clarify - It's not that Thomas isn't worth the $27M, it's that a team that already has Dragic/Bledsoe would sign a backup PG for that amount of money. That's my issue.

Sure, a Dragic for Stephenson deal would help, but even then you're still bringing Thomas off the bench - unless you play Stephenson as an undersized SF for big minutes.

Either way, I don't like it for Phoenix.

[nate33]

Pau to Chicago makes sense. But if Pau is choosing between MLE money in San Antonio and MLE money in OKC, I don't know why he wouldn't go to OKC. They have a desperate need for him whereas in San Antonio, he'd just be luxury depth up front. I'm not sure how much he really tilts the scales for San Antonio.

I think OKC would be the frontrunner if they had Pau. San Antonio is only a frontrunner if everyone is healthy during the playoff run, which is increasingly unlikely as they age.

[dckingsfan]

Wow, not getting that one. He'll be behind both Dragic and Bledsoe.

At first glance, it's worse than I thought. $27M for a backup PG?

Ken Berger @KBergCBS now

Suns presented RFA Thomas with a four-year, $27m offer sheet. Kings no interest in matching; Thomas no interest in staying, sources say.

Unless they are trading Dragic. Maybe those supposed talks with Indy actually have legs?

Wow. Thomas puts up terrific numbers. I'm pretty surprised Sacramento doesn't match that. I realize Thomas is too small to be an effective defender, but good grief, the man posts a PER of 20.5, and an ORtg of 114 at the age of 24.

This deal also makes very little sense for Phoenix. Just completely head-scratching. The only thing that makes sense would be some sort of Dragic for Stevenson sign and trade.

Yes, head scratching and embarrassing if you are the Kings. Either you match or you get something better in return... like Ennis or getting to dump Landry or Thompson.

Head scratching from the Phoenix perspective as well Dragic, Ennis, Bledsoe and Thomas?

[dckingsfan]

Pau to Chicago makes sense. But if Pau is choosing between MLE money in San Antonio and MLE money in OKC, I don't know why he wouldn't go to OKC. They have a desperate need for him whereas in San Antonio, he'd just be luxury depth up front. I'm not sure how much he really tilts the scales for San Antonio.

I think OKC would be the frontrunner if they had Pau. San Antonio is only a frontrunner if everyone is healthy during the playoff run, which is increasingly unlikely as they age.

I could still see Melo going to Chicago... I think he is negotiating with his wife.

[LyricalRico]

Yes, head scratching and embarrassing if you are the Kings. Either you match or you get something better in return... like Ennis or getting to dump Landry or Thompson.

Here's how it's being spun on Twitter:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/487722798295429121[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/487730883571752961[/tweet]

I'm not buying it, though. What can they get with a $7M TPE that will be better than a starting quality PG?

This tweet is more like it:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/487725399581806594[/tweet]

[keynote]

Morey must really feel like the proverbial bride's maid when it comes to having cap space.

What makes it worse is they explicitly gave up Asik/Lin AND a pick to obtain that cap space, only to get left at the altar by Bosh. Now, they basically have less than 48 hours to come up with something before the match Parsons, thus eating up their cap space and making them look like total idiots.

Now that HOU is under the cap, can't they make a lopsided trade to *take on* salary (as opposed to all of their recent salary-cutting moves)?

[keynote]

I don't get that Thomas deal from the Kings' or the Suns' perspective. Trading Dragic for Lance would only compound the issue. Dragic is the Suns' best player -- and the best player in any of these prospective transactions.

[keynote]

Frankly, I wouldn't trade Bledsoe for Lance, either.

[LyricalRico]

Morey must really feel like the proverbial bride's maid when it comes to having cap space.

What makes it worse is they explicitly gave up Asik/Lin AND a pick to obtain that cap space, only to get left at the altar by Bosh. Now, they basically have less than 48 hours to come up with something before the match Parsons, thus eating up their cap space and making them look like total idiots.

Now that HOU is under the cap, can't they make a lopsided trade to *take on* salary (as opposed to all of their recent salary-cutting moves)?

Yep. They could also let Parsons go and split their cap space between multiple players. The latest word is they're at least considering going that route:

The Houston Rockets' intention to match the Dallas Mavericks' three-year, $46 million offer sheet to restricted free agent Chandler Parsons is uncertain after Chris Bosh's decision to re-sign with the Miami Heat.

A source told ESPNDallas.com earlier Friday that the Rockets planned to match the offer to Parsons after signing Bosh. The Rockets spent the afternoon clearing salary cap space, including trading guard Jeremy Lin and a future first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers, in anticipation of signing Bosh to a near-max deal.

However, Bosh opted to stay in Miami on a five-year, $118 million max contract, sources confirmed to ESPN. The Rockets could only offer Bosh a four-year deal for a little more than $80 million in order to keep point guard Patrick Beverley and match the Mavs' offer to Parsons.

Houston has until 11:59 p.m. Sunday to match the Mavs' offer to Parsons, who currently accounts for a $2.9 million hold on the Rockets' cap. The Rockets must decide whether it's worth paying Parsons more than $15 million per season without accomplishing their goal of adding an All-Star power forward this summer.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... -uncertain

Without Asik/Lin and Parsons' cap hold, the Rockets would have around $20M in cap space. They could sign multiple guys with that, but at this point I doubt those guys would be better than what they lost.

[closg00]

The Thomas sign-and-trade is further proof that 2nd picks should not be tossed-away. Grunfeld apologist always like to downplay the dumping of these 2nd round picks.

[hands11]

Jordan Hill Agrees To Re-Sign With Lakers On Two-Year, $18M Deal

[Illmatic12]

Jordan Hill Agrees To Re-Sign With Lakers On Two-Year, $18M Deal

Second year is a team option. It's actually a really solid deal for LA, they set themselves up to have max capspace in 2016