The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[SunsFanSSOL]

1. Either Goran or Bledsoe is gone. There's only 96 minutes to divide between Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, and Green in the back court. No matter how you slice it, someone gets screwed out of playing time who deserves it. Given Thomas can only play PG, and Green only SG, the lack of flexibility means that we're paying ~$11 million to have good players ride the pine. Even if you assume Green can play SF, he'd still be competing for minutes with Tucker, Warren, and Morris. Not happening.

2. Unless we add Kevin Love somehow, the subtraction of Channing Frye and a top 10 guard and onlly adding rookies and a slightly above average PG means we took a step back this offseason.

IMO, Green and Ennis are gone for a PF or SF.

PG - Dragic/Thomas
SG - Bledsoe/Goodwin
SF - Tucker/Marcus/Warren
PF - ?????????/Markieff
C - Plumlee/Len

[thamadkant]

Suns / Rockets


Bledsoe, Green, Morris brothers
for
Harden, Jones, filler

Why for Suns?
They need SG/SF next to Dragic and Thomas… who can handle the ball as well. Terrence Jones doesn't need ISO plays.. he can play a Marion-type.. basically.. catch lobs, run the break and grab boards, play defence.


Suns run;
C: Plumlee/Len
PF: Jones/Warren (Small ball) / FA
SF: Tucker/Harden/Warren
SG: Harden/Goodwin/Dragic
PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis

Then in 2015 offseason… offload maybe some picks with Tucker or Jones…. to create cap room..
Go for LOVE!!!!!

2015-2016

C: Len/Plumlee
PF: Love/Jones
SF: Harden/Warren
SG: Goodwin/Harden/Dragic
PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis

or

C: Len/Plumlee
PF: Love / FA
SF: Harden/Tucker/Warren
SG: Goodwin/Harden/Tucker
PG: Dragic/Thomas/Ennis

Would be AMAZING lol


Why for Rockets?
They got screwed big time by trading Asik, Lin and having Mavs throw a max offer to Parsons… they literally LOST half of their starters… and reliable bench players… they have become a below par playoff team, without big moves.

Bledsoe replaces Harden's scoring and play making, but adds defence. They move Beverly to backup PG.
They get Green as SG to score 15+ with Howard getting the attention and Bledsoe making plays.
They get the Morris twins to spread the defence, as both are face up shooters primarily, they can get open looks with Howard.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

1. Either Goran or Bledsoe is gone. There's only 96 minutes to divide between Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, and Green in the back court. No matter how you slice it, someone gets screwed out of playing time who deserves it. Given Thomas can only play PG, and Green only SG, the lack of flexibility means that we're paying ~$11 million to have good players ride the pine. Even if you assume Green can play SF, he'd still be competing for minutes with Tucker, Warren, and Morris. Not happening.

2. Unless we add Kevin Love somehow, the subtraction of Channing Frye and a top 10 guard and onlly adding rookies and a slightly above average PG means we took a step back this offseason.

IMO, Green and Ennis are gone for a PF or SF.

PG - Dragic/Thomas
SG - Bledsoe/Goodwin
SF - Tucker/Marcus/Warren
PF - ?????????/Markieff
C - Plumlee/Len

I mean, that may make sense positionally, but you don't just give away talent.

Think those two could net us Tyler Zeller in trade? That could work for me.

[bwgood77]

@WojYahooNBA: Atlanta making aggressive, late pitch for Pau Gasol, league sources tell Yahoo. $11M-plus a year, sources say. Gasol likely passes on offer.

Any change either Horford or Milsap becomes available if Gasol picks ATL?

No. The whole idea is to build around Milsap/Horford.

Deng/Milsap/Horford
Milsap/Horford/Gasol

Yes, I think we all would love to have Horford, Wiggins, Harden and a bunch of people. I wish people wouldn't continually bring these guys up because these are franchise cornerstones and we don't have the assets to get those guys in a trade. Now if Horford gets injured AGAIN next year, they may start to think about it I suppose, and we could consider him with our training staff.

Millsap though would be a great stretch 4. I've posted his numbers before. The dude can ball and he is a FA next year, so he is the guy we could maybe keep an eye on. Not sure if we will have the cap space to pursue him, but if they do get Gasol, they probably want to move Horford to PF where he belongs, and if they also got Deng, we should pursue a MIllsap trade. I don't really think Millsap is a three.

They may trade him simply because they could lose him for nothing next year as a FA.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

@WojYahooNBA: Atlanta making aggressive, late pitch for Pau Gasol, league sources tell Yahoo. $11M-plus a year, sources say. Gasol likely passes on offer.

Any change either Horford or Milsap becomes available if Gasol picks ATL?

No. The whole idea is to build around Milsap/Horford.

Deng/Milsap/Horford
Milsap/Horford/Gasol

Yes, I think we all would love to have Horford, Wiggins, and a bunch of people. I wish people wouldn't continually bring these guys up because these are possible franchise cornerstones. Now if Horford gets injured AGAIN next year, they may start to think about it I suppose, and we could consider him with our training staff.

Millsap though would be a great stretch 4. I've posted his numbers before. The dude can ball and he is a FA next year, so he is they guy we could maybe keep an eye on. Not sure if we will have the cap space to pursue him, but if they do get Gasol, they probably want to move Horford to PF where he belongs, and if they also got Deng, we should pursue a MIllsap trade. I don't really think Millsap is a three.

They may trade him simply because they could lose him for nothing next year as a FA.

See I kept bringing Horford up because I thought he was very good, but not great. But it seems others have a much higher opinion of him. I think he and Bled are at about the same level. If we're willing to trade Bledsoe (we've been discussing it for months), I don't see why Horford would be off-limits. But we've not heard anything about him in the media, so I can understand why we might not talk much about him. IMO.

[bwgood77]

No. The whole idea is to build around Milsap/Horford.

Deng/Milsap/Horford
Milsap/Horford/Gasol

Yes, I think we all would love to have Horford, Wiggins, and a bunch of people. I wish people wouldn't continually bring these guys up because these are possible franchise cornerstones. Now if Horford gets injured AGAIN next year, they may start to think about it I suppose, and we could consider him with our training staff.

Millsap though would be a great stretch 4. I've posted his numbers before. The dude can ball and he is a FA next year, so he is they guy we could maybe keep an eye on. Not sure if we will have the cap space to pursue him, but if they do get Gasol, they probably want to move Horford to PF where he belongs, and if they also got Deng, we should pursue a MIllsap trade. I don't really think Millsap is a three.

They may trade him simply because they could lose him for nothing next year as a FA.

See I kept bringing Horford up because I thought he was very good, but not great. But it seems others have a much higher opinion of him. I think he and Bled are at about the same level. If we're willing to trade Bledsoe (we've been discussing it for months), I don't see why Horford would be off-limits. But we've not heard anything about him in the media, so I can understand why we might not talk much about him. IMO.

Great point guards are not nearly as scarce as great big men. Teague is pretty solid too. They don't need Bledsoe.

[gaspar]

1. Either Goran or Bledsoe is gone. There's only 96 minutes to divide between Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, and Green in the back court. No matter how you slice it, someone gets screwed out of playing time who deserves it. Given Thomas can only play PG, and Green only SG, the lack of flexibility means that we're paying ~$11 million to have good players ride the pine. Even if you assume Green can play SF, he'd still be competing for minutes with Tucker, Warren, and Morris. Not happening.

2. Unless we add Kevin Love somehow, the subtraction of Channing Frye and a top 10 guard and onlly adding rookies and a slightly above average PG means we took a step back this offseason.

IMO, Green and Ennis are gone for a PF or SF.

PG - Dragic/Thomas
SG - Bledsoe/Goodwin
SF - Tucker/Marcus/Warren
PF - ?????????/Markieff
C - Plumlee/Len

Nah. If one of Bledsoe/Dragic/Thomas gets injured we are completely screwed. I'm not sure Goodwin is good enough to play more than 10 mpg. 5 guards is a must, especially when one of them is unproven like Archie.

[bwgood77]

Is Luke Walton now an asst coach for Kerr? I see him sitting there with him at summer league with a pad taking notes.

[so_nashty]

Is Luke Walton now an asst coach for Kerr? I see him sitting there with him at summer league with a pad taking notes.

Yup, Kerr brought him in for the triangle offense he learned playing for Phil Jackson.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... e-offense/

[bwgood77]

So what do you think is going to happen with Love if he doesn't get moved to Cleveland or Golden State? What's the absolute most you'd offer at the deadline for him (if he'd commit long term) assuming they don't want Dragic (simply because he could also leave this summer, just like Love).

Dec 15th I believe any FA's we sign can be traded. If we end up matching a Bledsoe offer, he'd have to approve the trade. If we sign him outright we could trade him (or Thomas or Tucker). That is one reason a Deng signing would be nice....we could offer him up with the twins or something...which is a pretty nice package. But I'm not too interested in Deng for our team.

[SunsFanSSOL]

1. Either Goran or Bledsoe is gone. There's only 96 minutes to divide between Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, and Green in the back court. No matter how you slice it, someone gets screwed out of playing time who deserves it. Given Thomas can only play PG, and Green only SG, the lack of flexibility means that we're paying ~$11 million to have good players ride the pine. Even if you assume Green can play SF, he'd still be competing for minutes with Tucker, Warren, and Morris. Not happening.

2. Unless we add Kevin Love somehow, the subtraction of Channing Frye and a top 10 guard and onlly adding rookies and a slightly above average PG means we took a step back this offseason.

IMO, Green and Ennis are gone for a PF or SF.

PG - Dragic/Thomas
SG - Bledsoe/Goodwin
SF - Tucker/Marcus/Warren
PF - ?????????/Markieff
C - Plumlee/Len

Nah. If one of Bledsoe/Dragic/Thomas gets injured we are completely screwed. I'm not sure Goodwin is good enough to play more than 10 mpg. 5 guards is a must, especially when one of them is unproven like Archie.

Ish.

[Revived]

I just don't understand what's the point of putting in more than $37 million on 3 guards and not a single one of them has ever even made AS team.

[RaisingArizona]

You all are obsessed with Ryan Freaking Anderson.

[sunskerr]

Can we maybe, just for once in this thread consider the possibility of starting Markieff Morris?

[RaisingArizona]

I just don't understand what's the point of putting in more than $37 million on 3 guards and not a single one of them has ever even made AS team.

All NBA Team> AS Team

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You all are obsessed with Ryan Freaking Anderson.

We don't even know if the guy can still play. That injury was no joke.

[Makamazsom]

Ish.

I don't think he's making the team, especially after we signed Thomas. If anybody gets hurt, just call up Ennis from Bakersfield for a short period of time.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I know I'm probably the only person here that'd be OK with this move but I wouldn't hate a Josh smith trade. He intrigues me as a 4 in our system. I think playing him at the 3 was just stupid by Detroit and in a run and gun system at the 4 he might flourish. It's a big gamble but with some of the other insane contracts that have been given out this yr is his 3 yr deal really that bad? Now I say this assuming the suns wouldn't give up anything of real value in the trade.

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[SunsFanSSOL]

Ish.

I don't think he's making the team, especially after we signed Thomas. If anybody gets hurt, just call up Ennis from Bakersfield for a short period of time.

Ish is an inexpensive proven vet, Ennis is an unproven, more expensive rookie.

[NaturalBuns]

I know I'm probably the only person here that'd be OK with this move but I wouldn't hate a Josh smith trade. He intrigues me as a 4 in our system. I think playing him at the 3 was just stupid by Detroit and in a run and gun system at the 4 he might flourish. It's a big gamble but with some of the other insane contracts that have been given out this yr is his 3 yr deal really that bad? Now I say this assuming the suns wouldn't give up anything of real value in the trade.

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Monroe>smith.

Smith would be a PF in suns system he would be used a lot as a stretch 4.
Josh smith and 3s no thanks