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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2041 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:23 am

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JoeJohnson2two wrote:So, may or may not be the greatest deal but it's a way to clear $13.1 Million of the books for the next two years and another $8.4 Million in 2016-2017...

Rockets receive:
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C Zaza Pachulia

Bucks receive:
S&T of SG Troy Daniels
Rights to PG Sergio Llull
2015 2nd Round Pick
Jeremy Lin TPE

Otherwise, leave Daniels out of it and just get the Asik TPE as well.

You cant aggregate TPE's
Well, then stick with the original proposal, I guess.

or do two separate deals...
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2042 » by Chuck Diesel » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:24 am

JoeJohnson2two wrote:So, may or may not be the greatest deal but it's a way to clear $13.1 Million of the books for the next two years and another $8.4 Million in 2016-2017...

Rockets receive:
F Ersan Ilyasova
C Zaza Pachulia

Bucks receive:
S&T of SG Troy Daniels
Rights to PG Sergio Llull
2015 2nd Round Pick
Jeremy Lin TPE

Otherwise, leave Daniels out of it and just get the Asik TPE as well.



It'd hurt my heart to see Zaza go but I'd do that. It appears Llull will most likely never come to the NBA so I'd ask for a different stashed guy like Papanikolaou, Gentile or Todorovic (assuming they say no to Capela).
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2043 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:26 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:It'd hurt my heart to see Zaza go but I'd do that. It appears Llull will most likely never come to the NBA so I'd ask for a different stashed guy like Papanikolaou, Gentile or Todorovic (assuming they say no to Capela).

Either way, it's just an overseas asset to have at our disposal. Gets something out of it regardless of whether he ever comes over or not.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2044 » by Chuck Diesel » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:33 am

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Chuck Diesel wrote:It'd hurt my heart to see Zaza go but I'd do that. It appears Llull will most likely never come to the NBA so I'd ask for a different stashed guy like Papanikolaou, Gentile or Todorovic (assuming they say no to Capela).

Either way, it's just an overseas asset to have at our disposal. Gets something out of it regardless of whether he ever comes over or not.


Oh ok. Well a guy with a better chance of coming over would obviously represent a better asset.
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It's a message board, if you post an opinion, don't expect everyone to agree. Get over it.


Well, I find it obnoxious when someone decides to argue with me over issues I never brought up.

There's nothing to get over; the "disagreement" was wholly manufactured on your part.


I posted a contrary opinion to yours and gave you some reasons why. It's too bad you seem unable to cope with it for whatever reason but I don't see anything positive about continuing this any further.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2046 » by CaptainAwesome » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:10 am

RandyBreuer wrote:I am surprised a top market Miami gave Bosh the max who is not worth it now imo.
Houston I think has to be considered a top destination for Bledsoe. I think the Kings do become the team the Bucks would now be most likely to deal with.


Except for the whole "matching the offer sheet for Parsons" thing...
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2047 » by BUCKSFORLIFE » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:45 am

Has anyone taken the time to look at the on court production of Eric Bledsoe over his career? Yes he had a nice run the last half of the season but he was shipped to the D-League in his second season as well. Bledsoe is a shoot first guy. Apparently the majority of the members here are looking for a distributor, not a scoring pg. Bledsoe average 5.5 assist this past season but has a career assist average of 3.4 assists per game. Lots of peolpe talk about taller guards. Thats is one of knocks so many make about Brandon Knight. Brandon is actually taller than Bledsoe. I understand that Beldsoe is built like a tank, but will he posting anyone up down low?

Bledsoe has been injury riddled in his short career. Why would anyone risk a max contract on a player who might only play 40+ game per season ala Andrew Bogut. Add in the fact that he really isn't a distributor and signing this guy to long expensive contract is just way to risky.

A better choice in the short term is Ramom Sessions. Ramon is only 28 (Just turned) We can sign Ramon at 1/3 of the cost of Bledsoe. Ramon is actaully a better distributor of the ball. Ramon gets to basket nearly as well as Beldsoe and gets to foul line a lot. Ramon is a much better free throw shooter than Bledsoe. Ramon has improved his outside shoot greatly. He now is a threat from 3 point which all point guards should be. Ramon likes Milwaukee and is a great asset to the community. If you compare last years stats there isnt much difference between the two other than you have to pay insane money to Bledsoe. Read below...

Eric Bledsoe


2013–14 Phoenix Suns 43 39 32.9 .477 .357 .772 4.7 5.5 1.6 .3 17.7
Career 240 77 22.0 .445 .327 .759 3.0 3.4 1.3 .5 8.7

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2013–14 Milwaukee 28 12 32.5 .461 .357 .841 3.1 4.8 .6 .1 15.8
Career 467 127 25.8 .439 .311 .800 3 4.7 .8 .1 11.7
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2048 » by TroyD92 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:48 am

If you're advocating for Ramon Sessions you just don't get it.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2049 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:02 am

wichmae wrote:
JoeJohnson2two wrote:So, may or may not be the greatest deal but it's a way to clear $13.1 Million of the books for the next two years and another $8.4 Million in 2016-2017...

Rockets receive:
F Ersan Ilyasova
C Zaza Pachulia

Bucks receive:
S&T of SG Troy Daniels
Rights to PG Sergio Llull
2015 2nd Round Pick
Jeremy Lin TPE

Otherwise, leave Daniels out of it and just get the Asik TPE as well.

You cant aggregate TPE's



This trade idea doesn't require aggregating TPEs though, so it's fine. Either deal works
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2050 » by vegaspacker » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:04 am

Too bad Dellavdova isn't available, he rocked it last night... great passer and smart looking player. He's got a third eye on him.

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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2051 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:41 am

vegaspacker wrote:Too bad Dellavdova isn't available, he rocked it last night... great passer and smart looking player. He's got a third eye on him.

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I would think that the Cavs would be incredibly open to moving him in a move that allows them to dump some salary trash. I don't think he is good enough to eat cap garbage though.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2052 » by vegaspacker » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:16 am

Would it be utter nonsense to consider Henson for Delly? I recall Reggie Miller gushing over the rim protector ability we have with Larry, Giannis, and Henson. He also noted how Cleveland lacks that, JH has been a bit of fools gold so far. Some really nice moments, and just that lefty hook. Delly could really expedite the progression of GA, JP, and LS. Even if he is a backup, that dude is like a Prius, his gas mileage and effort was really impressive. He has an inferno for a game passion quotient... I have to side with the Aussie contingency, dude can ball!!!!

Honestly, I would rather him be our target and not Bledsoe. Makes more sense on so many levels.

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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2053 » by BUCKSFORLIFE » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:29 am

TroyD92 wrote:If you're advocating for Ramon Sessions you just don't get it.

You and Baddy must be the same people. You cant counter any points, just silly insults. If you watched any of the Bucks games after Ramon was put in the starting rotation he look really good. He costs 4-5 million per season and has no baggage. Tell me why the bucks should spend 12 million + for the same type player who is only 3 years younger?
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Post#2054 » by AussieBuck » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:49 am

If he was the same type of player Ramon would be talking to a bunch of teams about a massive contract too.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2055 » by AussieBuck » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:54 am

vegaspacker wrote:Would it be utter nonsense to consider Henson for Delly? I recall Reggie Miller gushing over the rim protector ability we have with Larry, Giannis, and Henson. He also noted how Cleveland lacks that, JH has been a bit of fools gold so far. Some really nice moments, and just that lefty hook. Delly could really expedite the progression of GA, JP, and LS. Even if he is a backup, that dude is like a Prius, his gas mileage and effort was really impressive. He has an inferno for a game passion quotient... I have to side with the Aussie contingency, dude can ball!!!!

Honestly, I would rather him be our target and not Bledsoe. Makes more sense on so many levels.

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He's certainly much better than Knight in the role most people want Knight to play in the team, but are ready to win yet?
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2056 » by Wise1 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:12 am

I think Bledsoe makes the Bucks better, but I think getting a true floor general is the way to go. Let's just draft him.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2057 » by vegaspacker » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:11 pm

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vegaspacker wrote:Would it be utter nonsense to consider Henson for Delly? I recall Reggie Miller gushing over the rim protector ability we have with Larry, Giannis, and Henson. He also noted how Cleveland lacks that, JH has been a bit of fools gold so far. Some really nice moments, and just that lefty hook. Delly could really expedite the progression of GA, JP, and LS. Even if he is a backup, that dude is like a Prius, his gas mileage and effort was really impressive. He has an inferno for a game passion quotient... I have to side with the Aussie contingency, dude can ball!!!!

Honestly, I would rather him be our target and not Bledsoe. Makes more sense on so many levels.

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He's certainly much better than Knight in the role most people want Knight to play in the team, but are ready to win yet?


I know too that it was the first summer league game, apparently he is 6'4" and he did get Giannis to foul him. That play right there sealed it for me. He is tenacious on the defensive end and has a heck of a motor. As a player, he is productive from outside and can get to the foul line often. His vision and anticipation are noteworthy... Like Jabari said in his postgame interview... oooohs don't win games. This cat had so many 'oooohs' worthy plays.

I am all in on this acquisition. I definitely see him as an upgrade over Wolters and Knight. The brand of basketball that he plays would make the Bucks so much more watchable. Could they win too many games??? That remains unseen, but it is a reasonable question.

Swing Knight somewhere with either Illy, Mayo, or Henson. If we want to be a much better team, yet the aforementioned three really could be much better this year with Kidd and the new fury of culture change.

I expect some interesting roster changes. JOB, and Parker look nice so far. Inglis is a good wildcard with similar size. We set our lumbering giraffe free... aka Hodor/Udoh.

If you made nearly 4 mil last year, I think that gives me creative license to call you out.

Arsen has contract issues, and maybe two years left in him. I find it hard to see him as a trade piece at the moment. He may have a resurrection and be a solid minute 6 guy with Parker... when either could play the first 6.

It is an exciting time to be a Bucks fan again!

I would be more than alright with Giannis, Wolters, Sessions, and Delly taking turns setting up the court. I expect an accelerated up-tempo offense too. Let the new era begin!!!
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2058 » by WRau1 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:03 pm

I still like Wolters potential to be the starting PG of this team. He needs to work on his outside shot and that could be a career long battle but I still think he could run this team.

The only aspect I'd be interested in with a Bledsoe signing is the defensive potential he, Giannis and Sanders could have together. From everything that we've seen of Bledsone in the NBA, he isn't a distributor and lacks great PG vision. He'll always look for his own shot before setting up others. Why would he change the way he plays if thats the game which is going to get him a max contract?
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Post#2059 » by Newz » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:04 pm

WRau1 wrote:I still like Wolters potential to be the starting PG of this team. He needs to work on his outside shot and that could be a career long battle but I still think he could run this team.

The only aspect I'd be interested in with a Bledsoe signing is the defensive potential he, Giannis and Sanders could have together. From everything that we've seen of Bledsone in the NBA, he isn't a distributor and lacks great PG vision. He'll always look for his own shot before setting up others. Why would he change the way he plays if thats the game which is going to get him a max contract?


How would you feel about starting Bledsoe and Wolters together... kind of like how the Suns went with the dual PG look with Bledsoe and Dragic? (Obviously Wolters isn't even remotely close to as good as Dragic yet)
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#2060 » by WRau1 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:09 pm

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WRau1 wrote:I still like Wolters potential to be the starting PG of this team. He needs to work on his outside shot and that could be a career long battle but I still think he could run this team.

The only aspect I'd be interested in with a Bledsoe signing is the defensive potential he, Giannis and Sanders could have together. From everything that we've seen of Bledsone in the NBA, he isn't a distributor and lacks great PG vision. He'll always look for his own shot before setting up others. Why would he change the way he plays if thats the game which is going to get him a max contract?


How would you feel about starting Bledsoe and Wolters together... kind of like how the Suns went with the dual PG look with Bledsoe and Dragic? (Obviously Wolters isn't even remotely close to as good as Dragic yet)


I would be against it because it would get in the way of starting Khris Middleton, aka Redd 2.0! Other than that it might work but we'd need some good shooting on the court w/ those 2. PHX tore people up last year because you couldn't help without leaving one of their 12 outside shooters wide open which is why Bledsoe got to the rack at will.
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