The Prodigal Son (lol) Returns (hopefully) - DJ Augustin Pt2

DY_nasty · Post #1 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:48 pm

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/ ... 7653556224

Charlotte, Dallas registering interest on free agent guard D.J. Augustin, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

that's my no defense playing point guard breh :noway:

KembaWalker · Post #2 » by **KembaWalker** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:51 pm

I think Clifford is a guy who could get thru to DJ. this wouldnt bother me at all. I think I'd rather have DJ leading the 2nd line than Sessions

RichBoy923 · Post #3 » by **RichBoy923** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:56 pm

Yes, he played well with Chicago last year especially when he got the chance to start. Options are limited for PG depth.

Bassman · Post #4 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:59 pm

KembaWalker wrote:I think Clifford is a guy who could get thru to DJ. this wouldnt bother me at all. I think I'd rather have DJ leading the 2nd line than Sessions

Agree that the "newer and improved" version of DJ would be a strong plus for this team. Depending on the size/length of contract I prefer him to Hinrich.

LofJ · Post #5 » by **LofJ** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:59 pm

TS% of .574, PER of 16.8, and the highest win share numbers of his career. He was great with Chicago last year.

Hornet Mania · Post #6 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:09 pm

Assuming we can get him back on the cheap I'm all for it. If we get the DJ from last season that's a solid guy to add to the rotation. Helps our spacing too, and we all know how much Clifford loves that.

Eoghan · Post #7 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:14 pm

He still can't defend. I doubt he'd come here to play backup and if he plays well enough to start or play alongside Kemba (I thought Clifford didn't like small ball?) then our perimeter defense will be weakened sufficiently enough to no longer hide Jefferson at all. And you know Clifford will throw out some #spacing lineups like DJ, Neal, Hendo, Zeller and Al to play 4th quarters. Do you really want to see that?

DY_nasty · Post #8 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:23 pm

BrotherDave wrote:He still can't defend. I doubt he'd come here to play backup and if he plays well enough to start or play alongside Kemba (I thought Clifford didn't like small ball?) then our perimeter defense will be weakened sufficiently enough to no longer hide Jefferson at all. And you know Clifford will throw out some #spacing lineups like DJ, Neal, Hendo, Zeller and Al to play 4th quarters. Do you really want to see that?

I don't bother understanding how we get a top 10 defense out a team with absolutely terrible defnders

Eoghan · Post #9 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:29 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:He still can't defend. I doubt he'd come here to play backup and if he plays well enough to start or play alongside Kemba (I thought Clifford didn't like small ball?) then our perimeter defense will be weakened sufficiently enough to no longer hide Jefferson at all. And you know Clifford will throw out some #spacing lineups like DJ, Neal, Hendo, Zeller and Al to play 4th quarters. Do you really want to see that?

I don't bother understanding how we get a top 10 defense out a team with absolutely terrible defnders

We don't have a top 10 defense in 4th quarters. It leaves when MKG does.

Kemba is undersized but he's above-average defensively. But he's still undersized.
Hendo is an average defender but he has good size/athleticism.
MKG is a stud.
McBob was average but he was smart and had decent athleticism.
Al is one of the worst defenders in the history of the NBA.

DJ is decidedly the 2nd worst defender in that bunch and any lineup featuring him and Kemba or Neal (also abysmal) torpedoes the overall team defense b/c we don't have two MKGs.

DY_nasty · Post #10 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:30 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:He still can't defend. I doubt he'd come here to play backup and if he plays well enough to start or play alongside Kemba (I thought Clifford didn't like small ball?) then our perimeter defense will be weakened sufficiently enough to no longer hide Jefferson at all. And you know Clifford will throw out some #spacing lineups like DJ, Neal, Hendo, Zeller and Al to play 4th quarters. Do you really want to see that?

I don't bother understanding how we get a top 10 defense out a team with absolutely terrible defnders

We don't have a top 10 defense in 4th quarters. It leaves when MKG does.

Kemba is undersized but he's above-average defensively. But he's still undersized.
Hendo is an average defender but he has good size/athleticism.
MKG is a stud.
McBob was average but he was smart and had decent athleticism.
Al is one of the worst defenders in the history of the NBA.

DJ is decidedly the 2nd worst defender in that bunch and any lineup featuring him and Kemba or Neal (also abysmal) torpedoes the overall team defense b/c we don't have two MKGs.

man.. i like MKG as much as the next guy, but he missed a LOT of time last season and our team DRTG didn't drop through the floor while he was gone. MKG is not Joakim Noah.

kemba gets eatin alive by bigger pgs. when his offense is out, he gets really, really dumb on defense.
henderson is the most overrated defender on the team by far.
mcbob is a terrible defender man or weakside
al is clown-tier

individually, the majority of our team sucks on defense. one more bad defender isn't going to sink the ship.

Robot Rock · Post #11 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:32 pm

Please no.

Eoghan · Post #12 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:39 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:I don't bother understanding how we get a top 10 defense out a team with absolutely terrible defnders

We don't have a top 10 defense in 4th quarters. It leaves when MKG does.

Kemba is undersized but he's above-average defensively. But he's still undersized.
Hendo is an average defender but he has good size/athleticism.
MKG is a stud.
McBob was average but he was smart and had decent athleticism.
Al is one of the worst defenders in the history of the NBA.

DJ is decidedly the 2nd worst defender in that bunch and any lineup featuring him and Kemba or Neal (also abysmal) torpedoes the overall team defense b/c we don't have two MKGs.

man.. i like MKG as much as the next guy, but he missed a LOT of time last season and our team DRTG didn't drop through the floor while he was gone. MKG is not Joakim Noah.

kemba gets eatin alive by bigger pgs. when his offense is out, he gets really, really dumb on defense.
henderson is the most overrated defender on the team by far.
mcbob is a terrible defender man or weakside
al is clown-tier

individually, the majority of our team sucks on defense. one more bad defender isn't going to sink the ship.

During MKG's injury it went from something like top 6 to 17th or thereabouts. That's pretty precipitous drop. If you think Kemba gets eaten alive by bigger PGs, you might have to refresh yourself on DJ's defense. McBob is not a terrible defender.

DY_nasty · Post #13 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:47 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:We don't have a top 10 defense in 4th quarters. It leaves when MKG does.

Kemba is undersized but he's above-average defensively. But he's still undersized.
Hendo is an average defender but he has good size/athleticism.
MKG is a stud.
McBob was average but he was smart and had decent athleticism.
Al is one of the worst defenders in the history of the NBA.

DJ is decidedly the 2nd worst defender in that bunch and any lineup featuring him and Kemba or Neal (also abysmal) torpedoes the overall team defense b/c we don't have two MKGs.

man.. i like MKG as much as the next guy, but he missed a LOT of time last season and our team DRTG didn't drop through the floor while he was gone. MKG is not Joakim Noah.

kemba gets eatin alive by bigger pgs. when his offense is out, he gets really, really dumb on defense.
henderson is the most overrated defender on the team by far.
mcbob is a terrible defender man or weakside
al is clown-tier

individually, the majority of our team sucks on defense. one more bad defender isn't going to sink the ship.

During MKG's injury it went from something like top 6 to 17th or thereabouts. That's pretty precipitous drop. If you think Kemba gets eaten alive by bigger PGs, you might have to refresh yourself on DJ's defense. McBob is not a terrible defender.

Unless I'm wrong, our DRTG only moved 3 pts during MKG's absence. I could be wrong though. Either way, MKG doesn't stay on the court long enough for him to be THAT heavy of a defensive presence.

McBob is objectively terrible defensively in every individually aspect. Most of the guys on our team are. He does a great job recognizing trap opportunities but if he's ever 1 on 1 or expected to guard the rim - he's losing that battle. The stretch in Feb-March was a perfect example of our bigs being absolutely worthless defensively and getting our guards fileted with their terrible hedging and weak side defense.

We're not a team full of great defensive players like Indiana. We're a team that operates on a wire better than the vast majority and we excel in exaggerating opposing team shortcomings while masking our own. I didn't think that was... such a debatable topic here. Outside of maybe 4 players, we don't have any 'defensive' guys on the team.

HornetJail · Post #14 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:08 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:man.. i like MKG as much as the next guy, but he missed a LOT of time last season and our team DRTG didn't drop through the floor while he was gone. MKG is not Joakim Noah.

kemba gets eatin alive by bigger pgs. when his offense is out, he gets really, really dumb on defense.
henderson is the most overrated defender on the team by far.
mcbob is a terrible defender man or weakside
al is clown-tier

individually, the majority of our team sucks on defense. one more bad defender isn't going to sink the ship.

During MKG's injury it went from something like top 6 to 17th or thereabouts. That's pretty precipitous drop. If you think Kemba gets eaten alive by bigger PGs, you might have to refresh yourself on DJ's defense. McBob is not a terrible defender.
Unless I'm wrong, our DRTG only moved 3 pts during MKG's absence. I could be wrong though. Either way, MKG doesn't stay on the court long enough for him to be THAT heavy of a defensive presence.

McBob is objectively terrible defensively in every individually aspect. Most of the guys on our team are. He does a great job recognizing trap opportunities but if he's ever 1 on 1 or expected to guard the rim - he's losing that battle. The stretch in Feb-March was a perfect example of our bigs being absolutely worthless defensively and getting our guards fileted with their terrible hedging and weak side defense.

We're not a team full of great defensive players like Indiana. We're a team that operates on a wire better than the vast majority and we excel in exaggerating opposing team shortcomings while masking our own. I didn't think that was... such a debatable topic here. Outside of maybe 4 players, we don't have any 'defensive' guys on the team.

I don't remember the stats off the top of my head, but our defensive held up for maybe the first 5-7 games of MKG's absence, and then it went to $#!@

Post #15 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:18 pm

a few games in MKG's 1 1/2 month absence

@ Pistons 116-106 (W)
@ Portland 134-104 (L)
vs Bucks 111-110 (W)
@ Clippers 112-85 (L)
@ T-Wolves 119-92 (L)
@ Hawks 118-116 (L)
@ Chicago 103-97 (L)
vs Warriors 115-111 (W)

DY_nasty · Post #16 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:25 pm

JDR720 wrote:a few games in MKG's 1 1/2 month absence

@ Pistons 116-106 (W)
@ Portland 134-104 (L)
vs Bucks 111-110 (W)
@ Clippers 112-85 (L)
@ T-Wolves 119-92 (L)
@ Hawks 118-116 (L)
@ Chicago 103-97 (L)
vs Warriors 115-111 (W)

nothing I said revolved around win/loss. ppg also =! drtg.

and instead of this being another MKG debate, I'll just bow out. I really think people are missing my initial point of this very good defensive team being full of guys who are below average defenders individually.

BobsBuddy · Post #17 » by **BobsBuddy** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:37 pm

WE DO NOT WANT TO GET IN A BIdding WAR With CUBAN!!!
Sign DJ NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15mill 3 years
Then Trade Checker #6484710 Hendo and JT to NEW Orleans for Anderson
Then Sign Stephenson 12 mill 4 years..
Better make it QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nod:

HornetJail · Post #18 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:40 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::D WE DO NOT WANT TO GET IN A BIdding WAR With CUBAN!!!
Sign DJ NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15mill 3 years
Then Trade Checker #6484710 Hendo and JT to NEW Orleans for Anderson
Then Sign Stephenson 12 mill 4 years..
Better make it QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DJ = 3/15
Lance = 4/12

Post #19 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:42 pm

12 million for lance and 5 million for DJ per year

ohara · Post #20 » by **ohara** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:24 pm

I would welcome DJ back. He is more than capable as a back up PG and can start whenever Kemba is out.