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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#121 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:37 am

don't get the hate over this contract. Most players who put up his type of numbers last year get in excess of 10 million per year. Yeah you'd love to free up as much cap space as possible for 2016, but it's not like 5 million of it being spent on Young is a deal breaker. He was averaging 22.8ppg on 56.4 TS per 36 minutes. Every team needs a player that can create their own shot without worrying over their knee blowing up at anytime.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#122 » by Westbreezy » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:57 am

Michael Lucky wrote:don't get the hate over this contract. Most players who put up his type of numbers last year get in excess of 10 million per year. Yeah you'd love to free up as much cap space as possible for 2016, but it's not like 5 million of it being spent on Young is a deal breaker. He was averaging 22.8ppg on 56.4 TS per 36 minutes. Every team needs a player that can create their own shot without worrying over their knee blowing up at anytime.


Most players don't put up those numbers on a 25 win team and most of those players making excess of 10 million a year can play defense and/or pass the ball.

Would have much rather signed Meeks for the same $6M a year for 3 year deal he signed with DET. It'd be one less year, only $1M more per yr and we get a player who can actually play D, plays well off-ball, and has potential.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#123 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:06 am

yeah increased his TS% despite having more focus on him than ever before due to lack of scoring help on the team. And boohoo he sucks on D as a wing player. I could give that description to 80% of wing players in this league. We gave him 5 million a year, not 15. lol I'd feel much worse being a Houston fan having to give Parsons 15 million, or Utah giving 15 million to Hayward.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#124 » by tviper » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:07 am

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Michael Lucky wrote:don't get the hate over this contract. Most players who put up his type of numbers last year get in excess of 10 million per year. Yeah you'd love to free up as much cap space as possible for 2016, but it's not like 5 million of it being spent on Young is a deal breaker. He was averaging 22.8ppg on 56.4 TS per 36 minutes. Every team needs a player that can create their own shot without worrying over their knee blowing up at anytime.


Most players don't put up those numbers on a 25 win team and most of those players making excess of 10 million a year can play defense and/or pass the ball.

Would have much rather signed Meeks for the same $6M a year for 3 year deal he signed with DET. It'd be one less year, only $1M more per yr and we get a player who can actually play D, plays well off-ball, and has potential.


obviously, so would DET. it was a matter of timing. blame wishy washy Melo and his indecision, don't blame Mitch.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#125 » by jigga_man » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:30 am

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Michael Lucky wrote:don't get the hate over this contract. Most players who put up his type of numbers last year get in excess of 10 million per year. Yeah you'd love to free up as much cap space as possible for 2016, but it's not like 5 million of it being spent on Young is a deal breaker. He was averaging 22.8ppg on 56.4 TS per 36 minutes. Every team needs a player that can create their own shot without worrying over their knee blowing up at anytime.


Most players don't put up those numbers on a 25 win team and most of those players making excess of 10 million a year can play defense and/or pass the ball.

Would have much rather signed Meeks for the same $6M a year for 3 year deal he signed with DET. It'd be one less year, only $1M more per yr and we get a player who can actually play D, plays well off-ball, and has potential.


I don't know what being on a 25 win team has to do with anything other than playing with worse players and having defenders more focused on you. Is it supposed to be more impressive if Young put these numbers playing with Lebron and Wade last year? And Young is not being paid 10 million a year so it's moot what other players can do being paid that much.

Length is irrelevant since his final year is only 5 million and he'll still be in his prime. Meeks play D? I still have memories of him getting dominated in the post by Anthony Anderson two years ago. At best he's average. While Meeks can play off ball he doesn't have the ability to create his own shot like Young can. And he's turning 27 years old this year, like most players he's a finished product.

5 million a year is essentially a high end bench player's salary. It's not even the full MLE type salary. Comparable players such as CJ Miles and Jodie Meeks received more per year this offseason
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Post#126 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:55 am

He better have some cool hair styles this year.. Or its gonna be long year...
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Post#127 » by Westbreezy » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:02 am

Michael Lucky wrote:yeah increased his TS% despite having more focus on him than ever before due to lack of scoring help on the team. And boohoo he sucks on D as a wing player. I could give that description to 80% of wing players in this league. We gave him 5 million a year, not 15. lol I'd feel much worse being a Houston fan having to give Parsons 15 million, or Utah giving 15 million to Hayward.


Those 2 players are miles ahead of Swaggy P. In an NBA where Nick Young gets $5M a year, Parsons and Hayward are absolutely worth $15M. Those are both YOUNG players with plenty of potential and room to grow into their contracts, in addition, both contribute to winning basketball-- they are able to facilitate an offense (moreso Hayward) and can fit on any team because of their versatility and shooting. Nick Young is a ME first player who takes contested 3s over open teammates. On a 25 win team with D'Antoni as coach, he was given freedom to run up and down the court, basically forget about D, and shoot as much as his heart desired.

As disappointed as I am about it, its looking like Scott will be our coach. I can absolutely envision many scenarios where he benches and/or has Nick in his doghouse since B Scott is such a rigid, take no BS coach-- This is a guy who said KOBE has to change his game. If Kobe has to change his game you can imagine what Nick Young has to do.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#128 » by jigga_man » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:21 am

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Michael Lucky wrote:yeah increased his TS% despite having more focus on him than ever before due to lack of scoring help on the team. And boohoo he sucks on D as a wing player. I could give that description to 80% of wing players in this league. We gave him 5 million a year, not 15. lol I'd feel much worse being a Houston fan having to give Parsons 15 million, or Utah giving 15 million to Hayward.


Those 2 players are miles ahead of Swaggy P. In an NBA where Nick Young gets $5M a year, Parsons and Hayward are absolutely worth $15M. Those are both YOUNG players with plenty of potential and room to grow into their contracts, in addition, both contribute to winning basketball-- they are able to facilitate an offense (moreso Hayward) and can fit on any team because of their versatility and shooting. Nick Young is a ME first player who takes contested 3s over open teammates. On a 25 win team with D'Antoni as coach, he was given freedom to run up and down the court, basically forget about D, and shoot as much as his heart desired.


You got it backwards. Where Parsons and Haywards are getting 15 mil, Young's salary is a bargain. Especially Haywards awful contract. That "winning basketball" Hayward contributed resulted in 25 wins, less than the Lakers last season. At the same time shot worse (41/30 vs 44/39). That "ME first player" was more efficient while shooting the same amount (13.9 FGA vs 13.4 FGA) and turning the ball over less (1.5 TPG vs 2.8 TPG)

I think your letting Haywards schoolboy haircut making you believe he's some efficient team first player while Young's personality off the court makes him a selfish player. Facts don't agree with you.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#129 » by Mirjalovic » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:44 am

we long for bench scorer for years.

and lol, you guys need to appreciate different playstyles. playmaker/ballhandler playstyle doesn't mean winning basketball. Nick Young is a respectable scorer, his scoring outburst singlehandedly won Lakers 5-10 matches alone in a bad team. If he effective that way, he should keep that way without being so called playmaker.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#130 » by Jakay » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:22 am

I still think 5-6 was his going price given his last year, so the price seems right. The years... that's longer than I expected, but whatever, clearly this is going to be the Swags and Kobe show for the next two years anyhow.
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Post#131 » by semi-sentient » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:59 pm

Guess I don't mind this signing all that much. Young was a very efficient scorer last season and if he can continue down that path he'll be a quality 6th man. Bottom line is we need some scoring off the bench and currently he is the only reserve on the roster that can create his own shot and put points on the board. We also have no idea whether or not Kobe can make it through a full season so he's a decent backup plan for the price.
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Post#132 » by The Skyhook » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:01 pm

The price is right. Not sure how I feel about the years but I guess it was never realistic to think we could go into 2016 without anyone on the books. The contract can be easily moved need be so its not so bad.
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Post#133 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:23 pm

My man Westbreezy....Michael Lucky and jigga_man were spot on in this thread. They pointed out every reason why Young's deal is 1,000 times better than Parsons and Gordon. Young is a totally different player than those guys, those guy only do one thing well and they don't do it all that much better than Nick and that's just spot up shooting. Neither can create their own shot and neither can get to the line more effectively than Nick.

With Kobe having a full season on the floor to work on Nick and getting him to see the game in a different view, we could see dramatic changes in his game just like Kobe worked wonders for Trevor Ariza. And Trev was damn near on his way out the league when he came here, Kobe worked on him...from shooting to work ethic. Now look at Trev now ? Commanding damn near $9-$13 mil in salary.

Kobe really didn't get the chance to work with Nick like that because at one point after he went down for the second time, he just got tired of MDA and how he was screwing over certain guys. That turned Kobe off, same reason we didn't see him on the bench all that much.

Now with Kobe ( God willing ) being able to give it a full run, he'll help Nick a lot. Not even worried, Nick's contract is the least of of our worries.
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Post#134 » by Get17 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:38 pm

Young's a microwave, plan and simple. We need one of those off the bench.
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Post#135 » by Danny Darko » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:52 pm

The Skyhook wrote:The price is right. Not sure how I feel about the years but I guess it was never realistic to think we could go into 2016 without anyone on the books. The contract can be easily moved need be so its not so bad.


I really don't think FA's want a blank slate. I think they want to point to a foundation and say- "they just need a couple pieces." This whole lets sign 3 max guys thing is lame and especially when you look at that the Spurs and even the Mavs championship teams.
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Re: Nick Young has resigned with the Lakers 

Post#136 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:36 pm

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The Skyhook wrote:The price is right. Not sure how I feel about the years but I guess it was never realistic to think we could go into 2016 without anyone on the books. The contract can be easily moved need be so its not so bad.


I really don't think FA's want a blank slate. I think they want to point to a foundation and say- "they just need a couple pieces." This whole lets sign 3 max guys thing is lame and especially when you look at that the Spurs and even the Mavs championship teams.
I agree but this is what this new CBA brought us to. Owners took most of the revenue and players were capped. But I'm with you Double D, we gotta get back to our old ways but working with the new format. We gotta hit on a couple of more picks of the ones we actually still own, see if we can amass some picks like Mitch did in the Lin deal which is why that was a good trade. Then we can still sign a foundation piece in free agency maybe next year. Then do what our history really is about......always being in position for the big trade.

Because you can bet your house this CBA is done in the summer of 2017, players are for sure gonna opt out. Lets look at what happened in this CBA since it was signed.....

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Players are capped in value but second tier guys are cashing in 8-15 mil deals. Explain to me how Parsons and Gordon are worth $15 ? The system went ass backwards, it was never about the competitive balance they claimed they wanted. If anything it's hurting the NBA bigger market teams more, look at where those teams where in 2010 and how quickly they've disintegrated in 2014 ?

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