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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#201 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:03 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
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I really hope he can, but worst case, Williams is decent enough insurance for a stretch four.


I do like the signing as a formidable backup at the forward spots, and although im sure this will piss plenty of people off, hes a much better overall player than Tolliver.


I agree with all of this. My issue is just with the amount. I know we have to overpay for FAs, but this just seems like a little more than an overpay. I do like the years and the fact he coems off in the next big FA year and the theory that we paid this much to get him on a short deal does make some sense.


Wreaks somewhat of a panic signing to be honest. Like some previous poster stated Im sure we could have got him cheaper by adding an extra year, but I guess Cho was content with 2 years.

Cho likes these short deals anyway. Henderson, Al on 2 year deals with player options for the third year. There is reasoning behind the madness.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#202 » by mrknowitall215 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:03 am

It look like Jeremy Evans was a better PF than Marvin Williams last season based on net ratings. Maybe we'll offer Evans $10 million annually next season as a up & coming big with athleticism if he's a free agent
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#203 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:03 am

People have seen one season of Clifford and already stating what his gameplan is.

He did wonders with what he has last season, but I'm sure being a basketball lifer, will allow him the knowledge to be flexible with the cattle that he has.

Personally I believe Clifford when he said that last season, was just a template to build from, and we will have more advanced schemes this upcoming season.

MKG is going to placed in a much larger role this season imo.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#204 » by Robot Rock » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:04 am

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Sik Infant wrote:Do people really think that if we offer 2/20 for a guy like Deng, who has the exact same offer on the table from Miami, that he would pass on South Beach, for us?

We have to overpay, that's the way it is.

The annual salary sucks and is an overpayment, but the 2 year deal, actually maintains our flexibility.

If both Henderson+Jefferson pick up their player options, their deals and Marvin's will expire at the same time, giving us 27.5m in cap room, just in time for MKG's new deal and the vaunted FA class of 2016.


I'd like to think we'll resign Kemba too, but I don't know...he didn't go to UNC.


We'll re-sign Kemba but not for as much as people think imo.


I think Kemba will cost us a lot of money to keep. Look at what lesser players are getting. I just want him to resign with us.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#205 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:04 am

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I'd like to think we'll resign Kemba too, but I don't know...he didn't go to UNC.


We'll re-sign Kemba but not for as much as people think imo.


I think Kemba will cost us a lot of money to keep. Look at what lesser players are getting. I just want him to resign with us.


He won't get more than what Lowry received unless his shooting picks up significantly.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#206 » by DY_nasty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:05 am

Sik Infant wrote:Marvin is not a bad player...

This deal sucks, but it's hardly a killer.

10.8/5.1/1.3/0.8/0.5 on .447/.335/.801 aren't scrub numbers.

yeah. i ain't mad. and he can guard 3/4 with ease and isn't prone to dumb, offensive breaking plays on the regular either

we overpaid, but we got money so may as well spend it
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#207 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:06 am

Robot Rock wrote:I think your opening night starting lineup will be as follows:

C - Al Jefferson
PF - Marvin Williams
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
SG - Gerald Henderson
PG - Kemba Walker

Lance is not coming to Charlotte except to play road games and maybe score some of that sweet weed P.J. has. Because of this dumb signing of Williams, who is insurance against the inexperience of Zeller/Vonleh, I don't see us spending much more cash.

Remember, there should be some money saved over to resign Kemba next year.

We still have 13M in cap space left over right now, and the cap is going up significantly every year. Lebron opted for a two-year so that he can sign his last max contract in a couple years when the cap is much higher. If we locked up our core to contracts now, rather than try to continue build at a heftier price, we can afford to overpay a little now. Take a look at estimates for the cap in the next couple years: this year the cap is 63.2, next year it's expected to jump another 3-4M, and after the new TV deals are negotiated two years from now the cap could take an enormous jump potentially to $80M!
Locking up every member of the core to LONG-TERM extensions at now-reasonable prices makes perfect sense. Signing Al to a $16M contract, Lance to a $13M contract, Kemba to a $12M contract, Biz to $5M, MKG to $9M over the next few years puts us at the cap this year, well over the $66-67M cap next season (not luxtax but potentially close), but after that, there would still be flexibility to improve the team significantly.

Put this into perspective: signing a 4th year player like Lance to a max deal is under $16M right now (25% of the cap). In two years, if the cap makes that enormous jump, 25% of 80M is $20M. It will get a ton more costly to sign a high-end player in a few years. Lock up this current core to slightly inflated, but very long deals, and they will be bargains under the $80M cap.

This is all contingent on whether the TV deal does raise the cap that much. The league knows more than I do on the subject.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#208 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:07 am

People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...
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Post#209 » by mrknowitall215 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:07 am

Well, time for me to turn my attention to the argument & debates in 'The Kemba Walker Extension Thread' TBA within the next couple weeks or months. I'm done with this Marvin Williams 'act of desperation' because 'desperate times cause for desperate measures'
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Post#210 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:07 am

Funny thing is that Utah has some damn solid players over there. They just dont mesh well with the other surrounding talent though.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#211 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:08 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Well, time for me to turn my attention to the argument & debates in 'The Kemba Walker Extension Thread' TBA within the next couple weeks or months. I'm done with this Marvin Williams 'act of desperation' because 'desperate times cause for desperate measures'


I don't think there will be much debate over it. He is going to get paid, but it shouldn't be anything outrageous.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#212 » by Robot Rock » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:09 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Funny thing is that Utah has some damn solid players over there. They just dont mesh well with the other surrounding talent though.


If Cho were the Hornets' GM in 1997, he'd go all in during Free Agency on Greg Ostertag, Bryon Russell and Shandon Anderson. Maybe Adam Keefe for good measure.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#213 » by JDR720 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:09 am

Sik Infant wrote:People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...

Just wait until Marvin is a FA, im sure some of his haters now will want him back lol
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#214 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:09 am

Robot Rock wrote:
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I'd like to think we'll resign Kemba too, but I don't know...he didn't go to UNC.


We'll re-sign Kemba but not for as much as people think imo.


I think Kemba will cost us a lot of money to keep. Look at what lesser players are getting. I just want him to resign with us.


In his 3 seasons, Kemba has shot above 40 percent once.

He'll get closer to Brandon Jennings money than Kyle Lowry money imo.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#215 » by chabber » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:10 am

Sik Infant wrote:People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...


I liked every one of those moves. I like Williams and the years. Just don't like the price and the fact that I feel it means we are not pursuing Lance.
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#216 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:12 am

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Sik Infant wrote:People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...

Just wait until Marvin is a FA, im sure some of his haters now will want him back lol


They'll be calling for Cho's head when we let him walk!!!
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#217 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:14 am

chabber wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...


I liked every one of those moves. I like Williams and the years. Just don't like the price and the fact that I feel it means we are not pursuing Lance.


I liked all them moves and I got called a homer! :banghead:

No move is a hundred percent negative and no move is a hundred percent positive.

There is good and bad in all.

This contract is bad, but Marvin's skillset is good. (for us)
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#218 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:14 am

Distinct possibility that after Vonleh went 0 for freaking 13 last night Cho said "My God, we better get some depth at that forward position immediately, that kids not even close to ready"
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

Post#219 » by JDR720 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:17 am

chabber wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:People are acting like Cho throwing a curve ball is a new thing???

Cho was mocked when he traded for McBob, and now he's mocked when we let him walk.

Cho was mocked when we signed Tolliver, and now we're pissed we renounced his rights.

Cho was mocked when we signed Jefferson...


I liked every one of those moves. I like Williams and the years. Just don't like the price and the fact that I feel it means we are not pursuing Lance.

we still have plenty to get Lance
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Re: The Marvin Williams Thread 

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