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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1461 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:09 pm

Induveca wrote:
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Induveca wrote:I am most certainly selling Porter short at this point. In not limited, but DECENT minutes he was complete garbage. He needs to prove his worth to the franchise and fans, and QUICKLY. I'd give him more slack, but he's not Andre Drummond he's an anorexic, not overly athletic wing player with a questionable shot.

I pray he lives up to whatever potential others have seen. I don't live in DC, so I get zero chance/desire to watch GU. From the highlights I've seen from him in college, I don't see his game translating to the NBA. Again, obviously as a fan I truly hope I'm wrong.


Otto Porter never played decent minutes. He played 319 minutes. 8.7 minutes per game in 37 games. That's absolutely nothing.


Steve, I respect and back your hope. But you've been hyping the guy since he was drafted. All of us need to see results prior to prediction. As I stated, let us see what he can do......until then he's a bust.


No doubt. All available evidence suggests he's a massive bust, and amongst us who hated the idea of drafting him, including me, I don't think anyone expected him to be quite this bad. Most of us who hated the idea of drafting him, hated it because he was a low ceiling guy, with a moderately high floor, as far as we could tell. Smart, outstanding work habits, and great mental make up suggested at worst, he should be a solid role player, rotational guy.

Instead he was horrific.

Now the only points on Steve's side, and I'm fully willing to give Porter these allowances are:

1. He missed the entire offseason other than perhaps a week or so, including all but what, one summer league game, all of training camp/preseason, all preseason games, and about the first six weeks of the regular season.

Generally speaking, when players miss their offseason as rookies, they never get back into a groove. It's a crucial time where players mentally and physically work themselves into what it means to be a professional. Porter got none of that.

2. With all the signings, there was very little playing time for a rookie at Porter's position, and the coach, management and ownership had historically prioritized veterans over rookies, were doing this to an even greater degree in a "make the playoffs or you're fired" scenario.

3. Porter had to work himself into fitness during the season, rather than stay fit during the offseason.

All of these things put him behind the 8 ball, and really were harmful to his development.

However, he isn't the only player to have struggled through problems going into and during their rookie season, and the examples of players that overcame them and became stars or very good, after having as many struggles as Porter are few and far between.

Lastly, Porter NEVER looked the part w/the exception of what, one game, when basically the league was starting to rest guys for the playoffs anyway.

He may turn it around, and I find it hard to believe that he could be this bad, period, but what he's been has underlined one of the many reasons why it was absolutely criminally stupid to draft a player with role player upside at best at #3. That is what incompetent, low expectation franchises do, when they aren't prioritizing the right things, and think their fans are idiots.

It's one thing, if you're like Steve, and fundamentally believed Porter was the best, or 2nd best prospect in the draft, then, even if I think you're evaluation skills in this instance, are basically taking a temporary hike and getting loaded in a Tijuana Bar, at least the foundation of the actions your taking is premised on sound reasoning.

If you're taking a guy at 3 simply because he's the most likely to be able to plug and play in your view, and that's all you care about? Then you are a criminally stupid, self-interested moron who should be fired immediately.

Unfortunately Leonsis is even stupider than EG, which allows EG to get away with this bollocks.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1462 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:17 pm

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Steve, I respect and back your hope. But you've been hyping the guy since he was drafted. All of us need to see results prior to prediction. As I stated, let us see what he can do......until then he's a bust.


And you've constantly trashed ANY local prospect that's been drafted until proven otherwise so we all have our biases. I think in time, you'll be proven wrong about Porter but if the Wizards re-sign Ariza, any success Porter has would come after he's traded for pennies on the dollar by Ernie. I think Porter is a solid SF prospect, he just may not get the opportunity here.

This is true, I've never liked "local" draft picks or "local" signings. Just always seemed like cheap PR and cheaper scouting. Without exception in my 20 years being a Bullets/Wizards fan ALL of them have disappointed during their time in DC.

Considering the Wizards are in the bottom 6 of local TV ratings for NBA teams despite being in the top 5 in market size.......the "good PR" vibe doesn't work.

Jahidi White, Michael Smith, Juan Dixon, Terry Davis, Steve Blake, Laron Profit, Lonny Baxter, Obinna Ekezie, Don Reid, Ben Wallace, Otto Porter, Darrell Walker, Ed Tapscott, Eddie Jordan

I have reason to be skeptical.

The only local DC product who mildly succeeded during this period was Eddie Jordan.

Hopefully we sign Durant in a few years and he ends the curse.


And I feel the same way, it seems as if local products always get a bit of a boost around professional teams, and its understandable, but I would always prefer fans err on the side of being a bit more critical, and skeptical in their analysis of said prospects just avoid the chance of sunny side bias, but that isn't what happens, instead, it always seems to be more air-brushing, than negative nancy in play.
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Re: Otto Porter 

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1464 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:10 pm

I really enjoy Otto's mid range game. That was my favorite thing about him at Georgetown. He's got great scoring instincts, can shoot from a variety of spots, and knows how to find the open spaces in the defense. He's a talented kid.

I think that, between him, Beal, Pierce, Miller, Nene, Wall drive and kicks, and Wall/Gortat PNRs, we have a very large variety of halfcourt offense we can go to. This is super important for the postseason. You've got to be able to play the halfcourt game and score against a set defense.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1465 » by Kanyewest » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:31 pm

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Otto Porter never played decent minutes. He played 319 minutes. 8.7 minutes per game in 37 games. That's absolutely nothing.


Steve, I respect and back your hope. But you've been hyping the guy since he was drafted. All of us need to see results prior to prediction. As I stated, let us see what he can do......until then he's a bust.


No doubt. All available evidence suggests he's a massive bust, and amongst us who hated the idea of drafting him, including me, I don't think anyone expected him to be quite this bad. Most of us who hated the idea of drafting him, hated it because he was a low ceiling guy, with a moderately high floor, as far as we could tell. Smart, outstanding work habits, and great mental make up suggested at worst, he should be a solid role player, rotational guy.

Instead he was horrific.

Now the only points on Steve's side, and I'm fully willing to give Porter these allowances are:

1. He missed the entire offseason other than perhaps a week or so, including all but what, one summer league game, all of training camp/preseason, all preseason games, and about the first six weeks of the regular season.

Generally speaking, when players miss their offseason as rookies, they never get back into a groove. It's a crucial time where players mentally and physically work themselves into what it means to be a professional. Porter got none of that.

2. With all the signings, there was very little playing time for a rookie at Porter's position, and the coach, management and ownership had historically prioritized veterans over rookies, were doing this to an even greater degree in a "make the playoffs or you're fired" scenario.

3. Porter had to work himself into fitness during the season, rather than stay fit during the offseason.

All of these things put him behind the 8 ball, and really were harmful to his development.

However, he isn't the only player to have struggled through problems going into and during their rookie season, and the examples of players that overcame them and became stars or very good, after having as many struggles as Porter are few and far between.

Lastly, Porter NEVER looked the part w/the exception of what, one game, when basically the league was starting to rest guys for the playoffs anyway.

He may turn it around, and I find it hard to believe that he could be this bad, period, but what he's been has underlined one of the many reasons why it was absolutely criminally stupid to draft a player with role player upside at best at #3. That is what incompetent, low expectation franchises do, when they aren't prioritizing the right things, and think their fans are idiots.

It's one thing, if you're like Steve, and fundamentally believed Porter was the best, or 2nd best prospect in the draft, then, even if I think you're evaluation skills in this instance, are basically taking a temporary hike and getting loaded in a Tijuana Bar, at least the foundation of the actions your taking is premised on sound reasoning.

If you're taking a guy at 3 simply because he's the most likely to be able to plug and play in your view, and that's all you care about? Then you are a criminally stupid, self-interested moron who should be fired immediately.


Unfortunately Leonsis is even stupider than EG, which allows EG to get away with this bollocks.


I'm not sure why you don't think that EG actually thought that Porter was the best prospect on the board. Guess it will ultimately come down to whether Porter is better than Noel which the majority of the board was in favor for over the past year.

Porter fits in if he can knock down jumpers at a high rate consistently. I agree that summer league doesn't prove much but it is encouraging. Guys who have dominated summer league are at least rotation players in the NBA for the most part.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1466 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:31 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I really enjoy Otto's mid range game. That was my favorite thing about him at Georgetown. He's got great scoring instincts, can shoot from a variety of spots, and knows how to find the open spaces in the defense. He's a talented kid.

I think that, between him, Beal, Pierce, Miller, Nene, Wall drive and kicks, and Wall/Gortat PNRs, we have a very large variety of halfcourt offense we can go to. This is super important for the postseason. You've got to be able to play the halfcourt game and score against a set defense.

And he's quite a good passer as well.

I didn't really watch Porter much in college,so seeing his game on full display now is like discovering a new present that you just keep unwrapping.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1467 » by Darko Miliminutes » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:45 pm

T. Prince, T. Ariza, and Otto just might have something in common. Don't need to be massive to defend well.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1468 » by 80sballboy » Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:21 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:I really enjoy Otto's mid range game. That was my favorite thing about him at Georgetown. He's got great scoring instincts, can shoot from a variety of spots, and knows how to find the open spaces in the defense. He's a talented kid.

I think that, between him, Beal, Pierce, Miller, Nene, Wall drive and kicks, and Wall/Gortat PNRs, we have a very large variety of halfcourt offense we can go to. This is super important for the postseason. You've got to be able to play the halfcourt game and score against a set defense.

And he's quite a good passer as well.

I didn't really watch Porter much in college,so seeing his game on full display now is like discovering a new present that you just keep unwrapping.


Physically, he's not impressive like Rice. But you watch both of them play and you see where sometimes Rice is overly aggressive, instead of letting the game come to him. Porter might be a little less assertive, but he won't have to be the 1 or 2 option if he's starting. I like his ability to see the floor and not force bad shots. Maybe it's the difference between a guy who played too much AAU ball (Rice) and a guy who never played it (Porter). Either way, I have to see more than him just abusing Lamar Patterson. Now he faces a legit NBA player in Shabazz Muhammad.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1469 » by WizTom » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:31 pm

While you guys try to decide something no one can yet know, the rest of the world is having some fun with Otto's summer league performance so far...

http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/07/12/ ... um=twitter

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1470 » by hands11 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:35 am

Now we know why Trevor A left.

OttoMatic is the real deal.

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1471 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:41 am

hands11 wrote:Now we know why Trevor A left.

OttoMatic is the real deal.

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Honestly, Porter as a 21yo does things offensively that Trevor couldn't dream of.

Ariza could see it clear as day.. once this kid gets in games and starts showing his ability to put the ball on the floor, pass, shoot, rebound, etc the writing would have been on the wall for TA
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1473 » by Severn Hoos » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:18 pm

fish, thanks for posting - just more evidence to cement his status as a "massive bust." Oh well, another burned draft pick with nothing to show for it...
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Post#1474 » by verbal8 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:25 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:fish, thanks for posting - just more evidence to cement his status as a "massive bust." Oh well, another burned draft pick with nothing to show for it...


Should have just sold the pick or traded it for veteran help
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1475 » by DCZards » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:47 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:
No doubt. All available evidence suggests he's a massive bust, and amongst us who hated the idea of drafting him, including me, I don't think anyone expected him to be quite this bad. Most of us who hated the idea of drafting him, hated it because he was a low ceiling guy, with a moderately high floor, as far as we could tell. Smart, outstanding work habits, and great mental make up suggested at worst, he should be a solid role player, rotational guy.


It's waaayyy to early to consider Otto "a massive bust," especially given the scant evidence that exists about his abilities/future at the pro level. Of course, it's also to early to know whether OP will live up to his status as the third pick in the draft.

To paraphrase WizTom: you guys are trying to decide something no one can yet know.

(But Otto was pretty impressive during most of SL play, displaying his high bball IQ, more speed and athleticism than I've seen from him in the past, and a decent midrange jumper and 3 ball. The shooting form on Porter's 3 looked much different and improved.)
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1476 » by sfam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:32 pm

Porter definitely showed enough in SL to expect him to have some minutes at backup SF. He has to produce though. Hopefully SL helps his confidence and really kicks the rest of the offseason into high gear for him. I might have wanted Noel, but that ship has sailed. Hopefully Porter reaches his potential, which I think should still be seen as a solid, versatile starter at the 3, not as a total bust who we are just waiting for his contract to end.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1477 » by hands11 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:14 am

When they drafted Otto I said, EG Wizards draft history would ride on that one pick more then anything else.

You can't blow 2 out of 4 top 6 picks. One out of four you can get away with.

With what I have seen from Otto this summer, I am not only convinced he isn't a bust, but he is going to be a good player. Everything he was projected to be. Mature all around game. Mid range. Rebounds. Defense. 3 balls. NBA ready.

He looks like a great 3rd piece to go with Wall and Beal. Not just skill, but a compliment personality.

EG is having his day in the sun.

Wall - check
Beal - check
Otto - check

And even the trade up for Glen is looking reasonable. I still would rather have Wolter but ...

Booker worked out. If he was more healthy we would have gotten more out of him and he had no injury history so that was just a tough break.

So its just Ves and Kevin at this point. Well an Singleton. And if Kevin stays, I like the vets here to help him. But he is gone anyway. That would just raise his trade value come the trade deadline.

The important thing is hitting on your biggest assets. Twice we had high picks in drafts that didn't look good at the top. We missed in one and hit in the other.

As for Singleton. He got injured at the wrong time. Last season was the make or break year for him and he was injured.

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Post#1478 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:04 am

sfam wrote:Porter definitely showed enough in SL to expect him to have some minutes at backup SF. He has to produce though. Hopefully SL helps his confidence and really kicks the rest of the offseason into high gear for him. I might have wanted Noel, but that ship has sailed. Hopefully Porter reaches his potential, which I think should still be seen as a solid, versatile starter at the 3, not as a total bust who we are just waiting for his contract to end.


Exactly... although I think the Webster injury will help him some. Probably won't be on as short of a Wittman leash. It is summer league - we will hope that the confidence transfers.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1479 » by tontoz » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:21 am

I feel like i know the NBA reasonably well but i don't think i can make an accurate judgement on a guys game after watching only 300 minutes of play. If he gets significant time next season and looks like crap then maybe i will start worrying. I am not worried at all right now.
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Post#1480 » by pancakes3 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:29 am

Eh, I enjoyed the Wizards success and I'll take Porter and Rice's play for what it is: Necessary but not sufficient factors for success in real NBA minutes.

I mean, there's little chance that they poorly in SL and all of a sudden turn it up in the regular season. However, I don't think anyone is legitimately convinced they're full out gamers. I mean, even Vesely has a decent summer league under his belt and now he's playing in Turkey.
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