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DannyNoonan1221 wrote:I've been trying to catch up. But I have to vote LeBron here.
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Shaq has moved up on my list (from 9th to 7th). But just as I did before this project, I still have LeBron one spot ahead of him
magicmerl wrote:DannyNoonan1221 wrote:I've been trying to catch up. But I have to vote LeBron here.
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Shaq has moved up on my list (from 9th to 7th). But just as I did before this project, I still have LeBron one spot ahead of him
We're in the runoff between Shaq and Magic. So I assume you are really voting for Shaq here?
trex_8063 wrote:magicmerl wrote:Sorry, how do you get BBR to show you combined PER for 5 years?
If you're doing 5 CONSECUTIVE years, it's easy: within the Advanced Stats bracket simply click on the bar of the first of the 5-year period in question (you'll see it get highlighted in a sort of off-blue color), then click on the year that end your 5-year period. BBR will create a new window with the desired advanced stats.
If the years are NON-consecutive, well then you have to do some of the math yourself. Not suggesting taking all the raw numbers and running the PER equation yourself (you COULD do that, but it's A LOT of work).
Easier method comes from understanding PER is a per minute stat: so multiple a season's PER by the # of minutes played that year. Do that for all the seasons you want to average out. Add up all your products and divide by the sum total of minutes played in all years in question. Viola!
fpliii wrote:I'm looking forward to the next thread. There should be plenty of discussion with regards to Bird, KG, Hakeem, and the player who does not win the runoff. Owly brought up Oscar in this thread, he and LeBron should get some more play as well.
magicmerl wrote:trex_8063 wrote:magicmerl wrote:Sorry, how do you get BBR to show you combined PER for 5 years?
If you're doing 5 CONSECUTIVE years, it's easy: within the Advanced Stats bracket simply click on the bar of the first of the 5-year period in question (you'll see it get highlighted in a sort of off-blue color), then click on the year that end your 5-year period. BBR will create a new window with the desired advanced stats.
If the years are NON-consecutive, well then you have to do some of the math yourself. Not suggesting taking all the raw numbers and running the PER equation yourself (you COULD do that, but it's A LOT of work).
Easier method comes from understanding PER is a per minute stat: so multiple a season's PER by the # of minutes played that year. Do that for all the seasons you want to average out. Add up all your products and divide by the sum total of minutes played in all years in question. Viola!
Thanks.
So if you are calculating it weighted by minutes, and actually take the 5 best years of a player's career (as opposed to the 5 best consecutive years), then LeBron has a PER of 30.79 vs Shaq's 30.22. Much of a muchness, but certainly not an arguement for Shaq over LeBron.
trex_8063 wrote:I calculate Shaq's 5 best PER seasons to average out to 30.12 (I'm assuming a typo, since there are no 5 seasons that average to higher than that).
And maybe you used a different 5-season combo for Lebron, because I calculate his 5 best PER years ('09, '10, '12-'14) to average out to 30.90.
magicmerl wrote:trex_8063 wrote:I calculate Shaq's 5 best PER seasons to average out to 30.12 (I'm assuming a typo, since there are no 5 seasons that average to higher than that).
And maybe you used a different 5-season combo for Lebron, because I calculate his 5 best PER years ('09, '10, '12-'14) to average out to 30.90.
Yeah, those were the LeBron seasons. For Shaq I had 97-00, 03. And it was playoff PER only, weighted by minutes played.
trex_8063 wrote:Ahh, that explains it. Disregard my corrections (rs based).
Clyde Frazier wrote:
It's become clear over the last few years that garnett is one of the most polarizing players. People are so split on the guy (to extremes in my opinion) that there's not much of a common ground.
Doctor MJ wrote:Runoff vote: Shaq
People are asking why Magic has dropped from the past and I think it's actually really simple:
Now that LeBron has basically matched the longevity of Magic people are looking at Magic's longevity in a harsher light. maybe ElGee's work has something to do with it too (it does for me) but for most I think it's about LeBron being contrasted with the Duncan's of the world.
Some have brought up that Magic was actually forced not to play due to unfounded medical concerns, and therefore they propose that the longevity shouldn't be held against him. While I don't see it that way I really don't mind if others do... Only thing is if I were making a list that way Magic might be my #1 overall. I see know reason why his career arch wouldn't have been extremely graceful in Normal circumsatances - considerably more so than Jordan's for example. So if there is anyone crediting Magic with hypothetical longevity my only question would be: why not even sooner?
As is though I side in the run off with Shaq for the 3rd time. He's an avalanche of a player and he was reliably so for a long time. And also those regular season health issues didn't seem to affect the playoffs as much which
Remains as always the acid test.
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