Miami Heat Off-season thread 13.0 In Riley We Trust

marson · Post #1841 » by **marson** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:25 am

Where the heck is Deshawn Stevenson? can we get him so we can be the anti uh nevermind.. lol

Post #1842 » by **DefenseWins** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:26 am

batterybro42 wrote:woah...woah...woah...hold up, have you guys seen the 2016 free agent class?? Who exactly do you guys think we are in play for, outside of Durrant and Lebron their isn't a name worth splurging on or making a difference. Unless...Durrant pulls a Lebron, it this really what we are lining ourselves up for?

There are people who can opt out

Like Dwight Howard lol

If Rockets get knocked out in the first and second rounds again he is bolting

Slot Machine · Post #1843 » by **Slot Machine** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:27 am

Don't really mind the Birdman deal now, just didn't want anything longer than 2 years.

HeatNolesFan · Post #1844 » by **HeatNolesFan** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:28 am

illmaticone wrote:Aldridge, Love, Lillard, Durant, Howard could all be available in 2016...pretty sure we could entice at least one of those guys...hell if Cleveland implodes we might even be in play for #6...

Anyhow, I think Pat is going to hold on to Cole till the trade deadline. Napier is going to need training wheels and Cole has been in our system and has championship experience, that means a lot to this team...

Don't forget Anthony Davis is a RFA in 2016 and I think Andre Drummond is too. Also, Aldridge is a FA in 2015 not in 2016.

Post #1845 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:29 am

jami0528 wrote:Where the heck is Deshawn Stevenson? can we get him so we can be the anti uh nevermind.. lol

Deshawn is about 270 lol. Dude just eat his way out of the league.

Maroko · Post #1846 » by **Maroko** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:30 am

HeatNolesFan wrote:
illmaticone wrote:Aldridge, Love, Lillard, Durant, Howard could all be available in 2016...pretty sure we could entice at least one of those guys...hell if Cleveland implodes we might even be in play for #6...

Anyhow, I think Pat is going to hold on to Cole till the trade deadline. Napier is going to need training wheels and Cole has been in our system and has championship experience, that means a lot to this team...

Don't forget Anthony Davis is a RFA in 2016 and I think Andre Drummond is too. Also, Aldridge is a FA in 2015 not in 2016.

Yeah but there is the R in the RFA which means his team can match any offer :nod:

illmaticone · Post #1847 » by **illmaticone** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:31 am

DefenseWins wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:woah...woah...woah...hold up, have you guys seen the 2016 free agent class?? Who exactly do you guys think we are in play for, outside of Durrant and Lebron their isn't a name worth splurging on or making a difference. Unless...Durrant pulls a Lebron, it this really what we are lining ourselves up for?

There are people who can opt out

Like Dwight Howard lol

If Rockets get knocked out in the first and second rounds again he is bolting

Honestly even if Dwight is available I dont see Pat targeting him. He has questionable leadership traits and doesn't exactly have the integrity that we require in the locker room. Basically he is not a Riley guy...neither was #6 but you have to take a chance for that guy...

I can though see Pat throw the Brinks truck at KD or KLove if either of them are available...Kevin Durant is not farfetched, its Miami and its a chance to play with Bosh and in a Championship-level Org...

batterybro42 · Post #1848 » by **batterybro42** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:34 am

DefenseWins wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:woah...woah...woah...hold up, have you guys seen the 2016 free agent class?? Who exactly do you guys think we are in play for, outside of Durrant and Lebron their isn't a name worth splurging on or making a difference. Unless...Durrant pulls a Lebron, it this really what we are lining ourselves up for?

There are people who can opt out

Like Dwight Howard lol

If Rockets get knocked out in the first and second rounds again he is bolting

I'm just saying it looks as if we are pegging ourselves into a rather interesting position here. We struck lighting in a bottle in 2010, that will probably never happen ever again. I like that we will compete, I like that we aren't giving in, but I am afraid we are setting ourselves up for a decade of mediocrity. Who knows maybe Riley can convince Durrant, and Howard to team up with a then 32 year old Bosh, and 34 year old Wade, but I highly doubt it. Its really difficult to adjust from dynasty mood back down to were we are now, but it is, what it is

illmaticone · Post #1849 » by **illmaticone** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:34 am

Drummond will get locked up wayyyy before that and New Orleans will do cartwheels to match any offer for Anthony Davis...he us going to get PAID, and unless New Orleans continues to be terrible he strikes me as the kinda guy to be content to be with a medicore team. Garnett-Lite

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #1850 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:35 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/488526699957481472[/tweet]

Altered_Beast · Post #1851 » by **Altered_Beast** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:35 am

i think wade takes his original deal again

2/42

Vertical Limit · Post #1852 » by **Vertical Limit** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:35 am

Um Durant is farfetched, the guy isn't leaving OKC, especially if he wins the title next year, it's a wrap.

RadioVoice919 · Post #1853 » by **RadioVoice919** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:35 am

Maroko wrote:The Cap limit for this season is $63m.

Players we effectively have under contract now:
Bosh: $20.6m
Cole: $2m
Napier: $1m
Deng: $10m
McRoberts: $5.3m
Granger: $2.1m
Birdman : $5m
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Total: $45m

Players we could sign and will likely cost more than the minimum:

Wade: ???
Haslem: ???
Chalmers: ???
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Total: ???

Roster cap hold: $4.5m (the league automatically adds what the remaining players would cost you if they were all signed for the minimum)

Total salary so far: ~$49.5m

Which means we now have a total of ~$13.5m of cap space (but for every player we sign $0.5m goes off the roster cap hold and is added to the cap space, so if we sign Wade for $10m we will have $3m remaining of the cap space not $2.5m) PLUS a ~$2m exception we can use to sign a free agent.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the cap holds for D-Wade, UD, and Rio don't equal $1.5M. What you're alluding to only applies for empty player slots i.e. if they renounce their bird rights. You're right in that $.5M is added to cap space once a player signs a new contract but D-Wade ain't signing for $10M to fit UD & Rio in your proposed ~13.5M. It's all contingent on the order of the signings to make the math work. For example, lets suppose UD has a $7M cap hold, if he signs a 2 year/$9M contract his cap # becomes 4.5.

Maroko · Post #1854 » by **Maroko** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:36 am

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/488526699957481472[/tweet]

So what are you saying about that deal ? Any regrets ?

FreeChef · Post #1855 » by **FreeChef** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:36 am

batterybro42 wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:woah...woah...woah...hold up, have you guys seen the 2016 free agent class?? Who exactly do you guys think we are in play for, outside of Durrant and Lebron their isn't a name worth splurging on or making a difference. Unless...Durrant pulls a Lebron, it this really what we are lining ourselves up for?

There are people who can opt out

Like Dwight Howard lol

If Rockets get knocked out in the first and second rounds again he is bolting

I'm just saying it looks as if we are pegging ourselves into a rather interesting position here. We struck lighting in a bottle in 2010, that will probably never happen ever again. I like that we will compete, I like that we aren't giving in, but I am afraid we are setting ourselves up for a decade of mediocrity. Who knows maybe Riley can convince Durrant, and Howard to team up with a then 32 year old Bosh, and 34 year old Wade, but I highly doubt it. Its really difficult to adjust from dynasty mood back down to were we are now, but it is, what it is

Decade of mediocrity? Decade? You've gotta trust Pat and Micky to put a quality product on the floor. They've got a good track record.

LikeABosh · Post #1856 » by **LikeABosh** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:36 am

DefenseWins wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:woah...woah...woah...hold up, have you guys seen the 2016 free agent class?? Who exactly do you guys think we are in play for, outside of Durrant and Lebron their isn't a name worth splurging on or making a difference. Unless...Durrant pulls a Lebron, it this really what we are lining ourselves up for?

There are people who can opt out

Like Dwight Howard lol

If Rockets get knocked out in the first and second rounds again he is bolting

We also don't know which young player will make a huge leap e.g., Paul George. It could be Drummond

Mugiwara · Post #1857 » by **Mugiwara** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:37 am

No way KD comes here..

Dwight doesn't need to be a leader, just protect the f*cking the rim, dunk the ball and make them FT when they matter.

Pairing Bosh with a Center should be our priority no.1, I would even open the bank for Marc next year.

Knicks already recruiting him via Calderon, Phil Jackson ain't dumb.

batterybro42 · Post #1858 » by **batterybro42** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:38 am

HeatNolesFan wrote:
illmaticone wrote:Aldridge, Love, Lillard, Durant, Howard could all be available in 2016...pretty sure we could entice at least one of those guys...hell if Cleveland implodes we might even be in play for #6...

Anyhow, I think Pat is going to hold on to Cole till the trade deadline. Napier is going to need training wheels and Cole has been in our system and has championship experience, that means a lot to this team...

Don't forget Anthony Davis is a RFA in 2016 and I think Andre Drummond is too. Also, Aldridge is a FA in 2015 not in 2016.

Anthony Davis being a restricted free agent might as well be irrelevant, as well as Drummond, any offer will be matched on those guys. We completely ruled ourselves out of 2015, and I think that would have been our best shot. Aldridge or Mark Gasol, would have made us contenders. Love is going to be gone, Lillard is a RFA, and Dwight has ETO. The only guaranteed star is Durrant and to me its just not realalistic, but hey neither was 2010

HeatNolesFan · Post #1859 » by **HeatNolesFan** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:38 am

Maroko wrote:
HeatNolesFan wrote:
illmaticone wrote:Aldridge, Love, Lillard, Durant, Howard could all be available in 2016...pretty sure we could entice at least one of those guys...hell if Cleveland implodes we might even be in play for #6...

Anyhow, I think Pat is going to hold on to Cole till the trade deadline. Napier is going to need training wheels and Cole has been in our system and has championship experience, that means a lot to this team...

Don't forget Anthony Davis is a RFA in 2016 and I think Andre Drummond is too. Also, Aldridge is a FA in 2015 not in 2016.

Yeah but there is the R in the RFA which means his team can match any offer

Yep and same with Lillard, too bad it'd be awesome to see one of them hit free agency. Point being it looks like a good FA class. Realistically you're looking at Durant, Howard, Horford, Noah, Brook Lopez, Dragic, and Eric Gordon just to name a few. Potential to add a nice piece next to Bosh and a then 34 year old Wade.

HeatNolesFan · Post #1860 » by **HeatNolesFan** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:41 am

batterybro42 wrote:
HeatNolesFan wrote:
illmaticone wrote:Aldridge, Love, Lillard, Durant, Howard could all be available in 2016...pretty sure we could entice at least one of those guys...hell if Cleveland implodes we might even be in play for #6...

Anyhow, I think Pat is going to hold on to Cole till the trade deadline. Napier is going to need training wheels and Cole has been in our system and has championship experience, that means a lot to this team...

Don't forget Anthony Davis is a RFA in 2016 and I think Andre Drummond is too. Also, Aldridge is a FA in 2015 not in 2016.

Anthony Davis being a restricted free agent might as well be irrelevant, as well as Drummond, any offer will be matched on those guys. We completely ruled ourselves out of 2015, and I think that would have been our best shot. Aldridge or Mark Gasol, would have made us contenders. Love is going to be gone, Lillard is a RFA, and Dwight has ETO. The only guaranteed star is Durrant and to me its just not realalistic, but hey neither was 2010

Aldridge has said he wants to stay in Portland. He isn't hitting FA. Love is going to LA or NY if the Cavs don't get him this offseason. Gasol would've been the only realistic option and would probably prefer whichever team Love didn't go to. 2016 or bust has to be it.