Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet

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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#181 » by postcall » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:44 am

Lets see how this plays out Lance is still out there but he maybe a disaster on the Rockets.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#182 » by Kevin Johnson » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:44 am

Zubby wrote:
Kevin Johnson wrote:
Zubby wrote:Yea but Mavs lost all their depth they replaced Marion/Carter with Parsons, swapped Calderon for Felton, and Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.

Gotta be the toughest division in the NBA, Spurs still on top, but I can see Dallas finishing at the bottom of the division if Pelicans stay healthy.


Houston just lost 3 of their top 5 players.

Dallas upgraded at C and SF. Harris who'll get more minutes is actually an upgrade at PG. They need some depth though.

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.


Houston:
>>>Outgoing = Parsons, Asik, Lin
<<<Incoming = Ariza, ??, ??

Dallas:
>>>Outgoing = Dalembert, Marion, Carter, Calderon
<<<Incoming = Parsons, Chandler, ???

To most of us it looks like Dallas is doing better. But of course you think Chandler and Dalembert "are about equal" so I am not arguing with you anymore :D
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#183 » by Zubby » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:52 am

Scraptor wrote:
Zubby wrote:Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.


Some statements are so ridiculous they should result in a timeout, so the poster can sit in a corner and think about what he wrote.

Yea maybe fans from both teams can weigh in, I didn't see much of either player, but if you look at their numbers from this past year they are damn near identical. Only basing this of last year.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#184 » by Dmavs12 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:52 am

Scraptor wrote:
Zubby wrote:Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.


Some statements are so ridiculous they should result in a timeout, so the poster can sit in a corner and think about what he wrote.

Cut him some slack. It's been a rough week. :(
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#185 » by msg4k90 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:53 am

are you kidding me?!?! trevor ariza had 1 solid year and morey think's he'll be able to keep that up for the next several years??

asik, lin, parsons gone! just get rid of mchale!!!

the houston rockets have no chance to win a championship with kevin mchale. watch him coach for a one nba season, OMG it's unbearable. :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#186 » by ufsports » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:56 am

Scraptor wrote:
Zubby wrote:Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.


Some statements are so ridiculous they should result in a timeout, so the poster can sit in a corner and think about what he wrote.

This has to be the best realgm post ever :lol:
Scraptor wrote:
Zubby wrote:Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.


Some statements are so ridiculous they should result in a timeout, so the poster can sit in a corner and think about what he wrote.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#187 » by Zubby » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:06 am

Kevin Johnson wrote:Houston:
>>>Outgoing = Parsons, Asik, Lin
<<<Incoming = Ariza, ??, ??

Dallas:
>>>Outgoing = Dalembert, Marion, Carter, Calderon
<<<Incoming = Parsons, Chandler, ???

To most of us it looks like Dallas is doing better. But of course you think Chandler and Dalembert "are about equal" so I am not arguing with you anymore :D

Maybe Chandler turns the clock back, who knows. iirc Carter, Marion & Calderon were very valuable for the Mavs especially in the PO. You are either underrating them or overrating Parsons, who would have to up his game to Harden/Westbrook level to justify that contract.

At anyrate Rockets offseason isn't over.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#188 » by bran muffin » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:20 am

I just noticed that the Rockets shed Chandler Parsons, Omri Casspi, Omer Asik, Francisco Garcia, and Jeremy Lin this summer. I don't know how the Rockets will play like next season, but I do know what they'll look like. They'll look a lot blacker. :D

If they trade away Donatas Motiejunas, it will be a clean sweep.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#189 » by jmnvcavs » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:22 am

This is a great situation for Parsons. He will shine in Dallas.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#190 » by jmomcc » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:23 am

I think this is a little more nuanced than people think. The Houston FO probably had a number of scenarios in play and they went with the high upside one.

As far as I understand, if Houston had of kept Parsons on his original contract he would be unrestricted next year. They probably considered it a calculated risk worth taking to:

- sign a third star (melo/bosh)
- Match Parsons while he is an RFA

and then have their team set going forward. Once Bosh and Melo are off the table then that scenario is dead. At that point you have to figure out if you think Parsons can be the third guy. They thought no. I think a lot of teams would have messed up (if Parsons isn't the guy) there just to save face.

One thing I'm not sure about. If they had kept Parsons on his original contract and then let him become a UFA, could they have re-signed him over the cap next year?

If the answer is no, then I think they probably made the right move here, even if it didn't work out. If yes, its debatable.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#191 » by Zubby » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:31 am

jmomcc wrote:I think this is a little more nuanced than people think. The Houston FO probably had a number of scenarios in play and they went with the high upside one.

As far as I understand, if Houston had of kept Parsons on his original contract he would be unrestricted next year. They probably considered it a calculated risk worth taking to:

- sign a third star (melo/bosh)
- Match Parsons while he is an RFA

and then have their team set going forward. Once Bosh and Melo are off the table then that scenario is dead. At that point you have to figure out if you think Parsons can be the third guy. They thought no. I think a lot of teams would have messed up (if Parsons isn't the guy) there just to save face.

One thing I'm not sure about. If they had kept Parsons on his original contract and then let him become a UFA, could they have re-signed him over the cap next year?

If the answer is no, then I think they probably made the right move here, even if it didn't work out. If yes, its debatable.

Morey caught feelings, what people don't know is Parsons kept asking if he could get a new contract, this was the soonest Morey could do it.

Morey did this to keep Parsons/Fegan happy.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#192 » by disenfranchised » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:33 am

This is the second time Ariza has played really well in a contract year.

Houston shot themselves in the foot by not matching on Parsons, a young and steadily improving stud.

HORRIBLE move by the Rockets and I think it had something to do with players being jealous of Parsons.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#193 » by DByrne86 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:55 am

Dirkules wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Smart move. Parsons is an overrated player and it is not worth that kind of money. All those criticizing Morey for letting him walk would be the same people criticizing him if he matched the offer and killed the Rockets' flexibility and championship hopes.



Overrated?? You serious?? Parsons is easily one of the most underrated players in the NBA. He's only 25 and is only going to get better. He already had perennial all-star written all over him and now he can learn from one of the best head coaches in the game. He's going to flourish under Carlisle.


This is a guy who is almost 26 and has never had a PER > 16. He's already near or at his ceiling. Not a 15/mil a year player. Not even close.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#194 » by Protoss » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:59 am

Tmac/Yao and Harden/Howard - Houston so pro at losing in first rounds
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#195 » by daba » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:00 am

Very tough offseason for the Rockets so far but it's not over yet although most of the big names are now accounted for. Right now they look like they'll be worse than last year and basically are setting themselves up for 2015 free agency. Seems like another big gamble. And can't imagine Howard is very happy about this though.

Their best offseason move would be to fire McHale but that's not happening.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#196 » by spaceballer » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:04 am

jmomcc wrote:I think this is a little more nuanced than people think. The Houston FO probably had a number of scenarios in play and they went with the high upside one.

As far as I understand, if Houston had of kept Parsons on his original contract he would be unrestricted next year. They probably considered it a calculated risk worth taking to:

- sign a third star (melo/bosh)
- Match Parsons while he is an RFA

and then have their team set going forward. Once Bosh and Melo are off the table then that scenario is dead. At that point you have to figure out if you think Parsons can be the third guy. They thought no. I think a lot of teams would have messed up (if Parsons isn't the guy) there just to save face.

One thing I'm not sure about. If they had kept Parsons on his original contract and then let him become a UFA, could they have re-signed him over the cap next year?

If the answer is no, then I think they probably made the right move here, even if it didn't work out. If yes, its debatable.


If Morey picked up Parsons' contract option, then Parsons would be a UFA next season, but they would still have his bird rights.

That means that they would still be able to go over the cap to pay him up to his max, even though they aren't allowed to force him to stay in Houston by matching an opposing offer sheet. So, in answer to your question, yes, they can indeed go over the cap to pay him whatever he wants, even if they picked up his option to have him for another year on the cheap.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#197 » by RaptorNews » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:06 am

Parsons and Carlisle will be awesome. He's going to maximize Parsons IQ and jack of all trades ability
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#198 » by The Hypnotoad » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:08 am

pass first wrote:Interesting. Morey must be kicking himself for making Parsons a free agent.


This is similar to the Carlos Boozer situation for the Cavs years back. The lesson, never trust a free agent player. If you got them under contract for cheap, keep them under contract for cheap, regardless of how angry they get, they'll forgive you if you pay them enough next time. :lol:
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#199 » by jmomcc » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:08 am

spaceballer wrote:
jmomcc wrote:I think this is a little more nuanced than people think. The Houston FO probably had a number of scenarios in play and they went with the high upside one.

As far as I understand, if Houston had of kept Parsons on his original contract he would be unrestricted next year. They probably considered it a calculated risk worth taking to:

- sign a third star (melo/bosh)
- Match Parsons while he is an RFA

and then have their team set going forward. Once Bosh and Melo are off the table then that scenario is dead. At that point you have to figure out if you think Parsons can be the third guy. They thought no. I think a lot of teams would have messed up (if Parsons isn't the guy) there just to save face.

One thing I'm not sure about. If they had kept Parsons on his original contract and then let him become a UFA, could they have re-signed him over the cap next year?

If the answer is no, then I think they probably made the right move here, even if it didn't work out. If yes, its debatable.


If Morey picked up Parsons' contract option, then Parsons would be a UFA next season, but they would still have his bird rights.

That means that they would still be able to go over the cap to pay him up to his max, even though they aren't allowed to force him to stay in Houston by matching an opposing offer sheet. So, in answer to your question, yes, they can indeed go over the cap to pay him whatever he wants, even if they picked up his option to have him for another year on the cheap.


If so, then yea it was a questionable decision.

Are you sure though? I'm sure I read somewhere that the drawback to the 4 year contract for a rookie second rounder is that you don't get bird rights.

edit: I'm wrong - they would have bird rights next year - questionable decision then.
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Re: Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet 

Post#200 » by bran muffin » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:14 am

DByrne86 wrote:This is a guy who is almost 26 and has never had a PER > 16. He's already near or at his ceiling. Not a 15/mil a year player. Not even close.



A 3rd year player is already at his ceiling? Do you even think about the stuff you're writing?

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