Suns Acquire Isaiah Thomas- 4 years, 27 million

[BringinDaRuckus]

I absolutely love this signing for the Suns. It gives us options in case 1) Bledsoe gets a max offer and the Suns really didn't want to match and 2) Dragic leaves after this season.

I am surprised nothing has happened with Bledsoe yet. Meaning, now that LeBron and Melo signed, I would think that Bledsoe falls in the next tier of RFA's.

[PhxSuns1]

Also, it doesnt help your argument all too much when you call Kyle Anderson a "hustle, energy" guy. The dude is absolutely abysmal on the defense end and nothing like Tucker as far as hustle and heart go.

[aIvin adams]

So... Just trust Ryan, my friend. Trust the golden GM.

I'm always wondering why we can't critizes any decisions by our management anymore simply because McDonough is our GM? He nailed a few things like the Scola trade or the Goodwin pick but that doesn't mean he's untouchable. Len looks like a terrible decision even after one summer-league game by Nerlens Noel. I didn't understand how we drafted Warren and Ennis when we locked up mediocre players like Tucker and Thomas. Again I like both players but not at the cost of playing time for our young guys. Again, I like Thomas and Tucker but they won't do anything for us. They won't be the difference between a late lottery pick and a playoff seed yet we locked them up to MLE-deals. And I simply don't want average players on MLE on this team when we have no real superstar in place. Just because there contracts are fair it doesn't mean that you should sign the player.

Our roster had some weaknesses especially at the big positions and now we let Frye go (reasonable after the contract he received) and didn't improve even a little bit at rebounding or our interioir defense. No, Frye's loss will be huge just wait and see.

And please guys, don't bring up the 'would you rather be a tanking team instead of competing for the playoffs' thing. This team right now is not better than last years team and looking at how other teams improved, I don't see how we can sneak in the top 8.

you can criticize. it's a free country.

[aIvin adams]

Fact:

We could have the best guard play in the entire NBA.

For 96 minutes, we can beat any backcourt's 1/2.

Fact:

We also could have the worst big men play in the conference maybe entire NBA.

#sunslegacy

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I don't get it. Have you even seen Isaiah Thomas play? Even once?

Yes, I haven seen him play. I like his toughness and shot making ability but some of you guys need to see behind the youtube highlight videos. He is definitley undersized which causes some problems on the defensive end and we don't have the bigs to make up for it. Besides Plumlee we don't have the interior defenders we lacked last season.

Also Thomas played on a terrible terrible team in Sacramento and he's not the first guy to put up big numbers on a team that sucks. PPG is such a horrible way to evaluate a player since it doesn't include all the freedom he had when he played and all the terrible shots he took.

Also, re: Tucker. He is much more valuable to this team than an "average player". Sure, his statistics and one-on-one offensive ability is average at best, but you need guys like Tucker to win basketball games. Someone who will lock down the opposing teams best player. Someone who will dive into the stands to save a ball. Someone who will risk their body for a rebound. Calling PJ Tucker an average player is an ignorant, street ball perspective. Tucker's defense, hustle, heart, etc singlehandedly won us multiple games last season.

So you are calling me ignorant because my opinion is different than yours? I love Tucker as a player but players like him, these 'hustle, energy guys' can be found in any draft. Just look at how the Spurs picked up Kyle Anderson late in the first round. Draymond Green and Jae Crowder were drafted in the second round. Sure, these type of players are nice but not at MLE-type money.

There are two big problems with these signings. It will mean much less playing time for the young guys we just drafted the last two years (Goodwin, Ennis and Warren) and we gave out these MLE-type contracts to players that won't put us over the top as other teams improved dramtically.

Just look at how much money we will have left for someone like Kevin Love next summer ones we extend Dragic, Bledsoe and the Morris twins. These contracts are good value for a team that already has a superstar in place and not for one that's lacking such a star player.

I believe the "stats on a bad team" thing is overrated when your efficiency is good. Its not about the YouTube highlights. Watch him play full games. He is one of the better scoring guards in the league. Great playmaker. Great leader. Great hustle. He is far far far from the "average" player.

I didn't mean to call YOU ignorant, per se, but just the notion that players who have average offensive ability are average players overall. You can find hustle players in the draft, sure, but name everyone who hustles, plays with heart, plays defense, and shoots a decent clip from the 3 like Tucker who will not yield a similar contract? You mention Draymond Green. He will yield the same contract, if not a better one due to age, than PJ Tucker. The point is, he was very important to our team last year, and no hustle player in this years draft is going to replace what he brought us (which includes chemistry).

I don't think he meant that Green will cost any less, his point was that you could find guys like that in the draft easily to replace high energy guys.

Did the Suns cry when they lost Lou? As much heart and hustle Tucker has, Lou Amundson had even more.

[aIvin adams]

I recently watched dragic's mip speech

It told me what I subsequently learned to be true: tucker must be re-signed

Dragic gives him and only him credit for being a leader on the team. For demanding everyone give their best, for pulling everyone through dark times, etc.

That isn't a common feature. Try scouting for it. It's hard.

I remember a cpl yrs ago, first game of the season: dragic's first game back as our best player. First game. Dragic didn't give up the ball to pj on a fast break. Dragic got fouled in the act of shooting. PJ chewed him out for not giving up the rock. I thought to myself, who the f is this guy?

Now I know.

[aIvin adams]

I tell ya what...

If the Lackers had gotten IT on this contract, I'd be pissed. I'd be consoling myself that it will help ensure we get their top-5 protected pick.

But I'd still be pissed bc IT on this contract would be one of the best assets on their crappy yellow and purple-they-call-blue-bc-they-r-aholes squad.

[PhxSuns1]

Yes, I haven seen him play. I like his toughness and shot making ability but some of you guys need to see behind the youtube highlight videos. He is definitley undersized which causes some problems on the defensive end and we don't have the bigs to make up for it. Besides Plumlee we don't have the interior defenders we lacked last season.

Also Thomas played on a terrible terrible team in Sacramento and he's not the first guy to put up big numbers on a team that sucks. PPG is such a horrible way to evaluate a player since it doesn't include all the freedom he had when he played and all the terrible shots he took.



So you are calling me ignorant because my opinion is different than yours? I love Tucker as a player but players like him, these 'hustle, energy guys' can be found in any draft. Just look at how the Spurs picked up Kyle Anderson late in the first round. Draymond Green and Jae Crowder were drafted in the second round. Sure, these type of players are nice but not at MLE-type money.

There are two big problems with these signings. It will mean much less playing time for the young guys we just drafted the last two years (Goodwin, Ennis and Warren) and we gave out these MLE-type contracts to players that won't put us over the top as other teams improved dramtically.

Just look at how much money we will have left for someone like Kevin Love next summer ones we extend Dragic, Bledsoe and the Morris twins. These contracts are good value for a team that already has a superstar in place and not for one that's lacking such a star player.

I believe the "stats on a bad team" thing is overrated when your efficiency is good. Its not about the YouTube highlights. Watch him play full games. He is one of the better scoring guards in the league. Great playmaker. Great leader. Great hustle. He is far far far from the "average" player.

I didn't mean to call YOU ignorant, per se, but just the notion that players who have average offensive ability are average players overall. You can find hustle players in the draft, sure, but name everyone who hustles, plays with heart, plays defense, and shoots a decent clip from the 3 like Tucker who will not yield a similar contract? You mention Draymond Green. He will yield the same contract, if not a better one due to age, than PJ Tucker. The point is, he was very important to our team last year, and no hustle player in this years draft is going to replace what he brought us (which includes chemistry).

I don't think he meant that Green will cost any less, his point was that you could find guys like that in the draft easily to replace high energy guys.

Did the Suns cry when they lost Lou? As much heart and hustle Tucker has, Lou Amundson had even more.

Not comparable. Tucker is one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA and shot the 3 at about 39% last season. He was also huge for our chemistry and leadership. Come on, man.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is an I Thomas thread. But In response to tucker shooting 39 % from. He ONLY shoot from the corner. And they were wide open. Put him at the top of he key, he couldn't hit the rim. GTFO with this tucker garbage. He is an average player with below average offensive skills. Players like him are a dime a dozen. That's why this is the biggest contract he will ever get and the three year isn't even guaranteed. At first I hated the contract, now i see he really is only getting paid for basically a year and a half, I'm good with it.

I guarantee he will not be on the suns in 2 years...guaranteed!!!


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[NTB]

This is an I Thomas thread. But In response to tucker shooting 39 % from. He ONLY shoot from the corner. And they were wide open. Put him at the top of he key, he couldn't hit the rim. GTFO with this tucker garbage. He is an average player with below average offensive skills. Players like him are a dime a dozen. That's why this is the biggest contract he will ever get and the three year isn't even guaranteed. At first I hated the contract, now i see he really is only getting paid for basically a year and a half, I'm good with it.

I guarantee he will not be on the suns in 2 years...guaranteed!!!


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So you hate him because of his offense and you don't care about his defense and intangibles?

[Sunsdeuce]

This is an I Thomas thread. But In response to tucker shooting 39 % from. He ONLY shoot from the corner. And they were wide open. Put him at the top of he key, he couldn't hit the rim. GTFO with this tucker garbage. He is an average player with below average offensive skills. Players like him are a dime a dozen. That's why this is the biggest contract he will ever get and the three year isn't even guaranteed. At first I hated the contract, now i see he really is only getting paid for basically a year and a half, I'm good with it.

I guarantee he will not be on the suns in 2 years...guaranteed!!!


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So you hate him because of his offense and you don't care about his defense and intangibles?

No, he's decent. Decent stop gap player till we get an actual SF. I see him for what he is. A role player forced to start right now because we have nothing else at SF. He is a journey man who worked hard to get where he is. But I don't confuse his hard work with actual talent.


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[NTB]

This is an I Thomas thread. But In response to tucker shooting 39 % from. He ONLY shoot from the corner. And they were wide open. Put him at the top of he key, he couldn't hit the rim. GTFO with this tucker garbage. He is an average player with below average offensive skills. Players like him are a dime a dozen. That's why this is the biggest contract he will ever get and the three year isn't even guaranteed. At first I hated the contract, now i see he really is only getting paid for basically a year and a half, I'm good with it.

I guarantee he will not be on the suns in 2 years...guaranteed!!!


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So you hate him because of his offense and you don't care about his defense and intangibles?

No, he's decent. Decent stop gap player till we get an actual SF. I see him for what he is. A role player forced to start right now because we have nothing else at SF. He is a journey man who worked hard to get where he is. But I don't confuse his hard work with actual talent.


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You make good comments when you are calmed and doing without insultation.

[Revived]

Fact:

We could have the best guard play in the entire NBA.

For 96 minutes, we can beat any backcourt's 1/2.

Fact:

We also could have the worst big men play in the conference maybe entire NBA.

True, but what do you suggest we do? There are no good bigs out there....the ONE who is available we are trying to trade Dragic and the twins for and it's not working.

I wish we would have at least tried to get Asik just to have some solid D in the middle.

Jordan Hill would have been a good short term solution for under $10M/yr.

Same with Ed Davis.

[lilfishi22]

No, he's decent. Decent stop gap player till we get an actual SF. I see him for what he is. A role player forced to start right now because we have nothing else at SF. He is a journey man who worked hard to get where he is. But I don't confuse his hard work with actual talent.

Defense may be more effort than talent but it doesn't make it any less important. Every team needs a balance of both talent and effort.

[aIvin adams]

This is an I Thomas thread. But In response to tucker shooting 39 % from. He ONLY shoot from the corner. And they were wide open. Put him at the top of he key, he couldn't hit the rim. GTFO with this tucker garbage. He is an average player with below average offensive skills. Players like him are a dime a dozen. That's why this is the biggest contract he will ever get and the three year isn't even guaranteed. At first I hated the contract, now i see he really is only getting paid for basically a year and a half, I'm good with it.

I guarantee he will not be on the suns in 2 years...guaranteed!!!


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[YFZblu]

I'm always wondering why we can't critizes any decisions by our management anymore simply because McDonough is our GM? He nailed a few things like the Scola trade or the Goodwin pick but that doesn't mean he's untouchable

He also basically turned Dudley into Eric Bledsoe, and doesn't he get credit for Hornacek as well? The guy has been on the job for one full year, and basically been in god mode the entire time.

I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit...

[lilfishi22]

I'm always wondering why we can't critizes any decisions by our management anymore simply because McDonough is our GM? He nailed a few things like the Scola trade or the Goodwin pick but that doesn't mean he's untouchable

He also basically turned Dudley into Eric Bledsoe, and doesn't he get credit for Hornacek as well? The guy has been on the job for one full year, and basically been in god mode the entire time.

I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit...

Also came in 2nd in Executive of the Year voting. Hornacek also came in 2nd in COY. Two rookies in their respective positions coming in 2nd overall. It's not first but that's a damn good start.

[aIvin adams]

It's not first but that's a damn good start.

that has been our motto for 45 years

[lilfishi22]

It's not first but that's a damn good start.

that has been our motto for 45 years

Better than the TWolves motto: A New Start

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