Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet

miltk · Post #201 » by **miltk** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:29 am

finally.....some sanity

The Sparest · Post #202 » by **The Sparest** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:01 am

The Hypnotoad wrote:
pass first wrote:Interesting. Morey must be kicking himself for making Parsons a free agent.

This is similar to the Carlos Boozer situation for the Cavs years back. The lesson, never trust a free agent player. If you got them under contract for cheap, keep them under contract for cheap, regardless of how angry they get, they'll forgive you if you pay them enough next time.

Indeed. Even if Parsons hit UFA status next season, the Rox could still have offered more money and years than any other team could. Massive miscalculation on Morey's part.

ILOVEIT · Post #203 » by **ILOVEIT** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:16 am

Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

TaylorMonkey · Post #204 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:33 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

Cliched, but... Houston, we have a problem.

walk with me · Post #205 » by **walk with me** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:12 am

dwight to miami in 2016... you heard it here first.

Ginger Bean · Post #206 » by **Ginger Bean** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:19 am

eagles nut wrote:Rockets, please still be good enough to make the playoffs but be the 8th seed.

Signed, Lakers fans.

Is the pick in the Lin trade lotto-protected?

spacemonkey · Post #207 » by **spacemonkey** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:20 am

The Sparest wrote:
The Hypnotoad wrote:
pass first wrote:Interesting. Morey must be kicking himself for making Parsons a free agent.

This is similar to the Carlos Boozer situation for the Cavs years back. The lesson, never trust a free agent player. If you got them under contract for cheap, keep them under contract for cheap, regardless of how angry they get, they'll forgive you if you pay them enough next time.

Indeed. Even if Parsons hit UFA status next season, the Rox could still have offered more money and years than any other team could. Massive miscalculation on Morey's part.

So, what, Parsons shouldn't have signed the sheet? Can't blame a player for taking what's on the table. Parsons made no promises to Houston.

jmomcc · Post #208 » by **jmomcc** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:20 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

I still think they could be a contender. Jones develops a little. Harden develops some D and Howard returns to his best. Not inconceivable.

gmoney411 · Post #209 » by **gmoney411** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:23 am

A few things that are being missed in this thread

1. The Rockets got an $8.3MM trade exception for the Lin trade and got what will likely be a lottery pick from NO in the Asik deal. At some point they will use one or both of those to get a good rotation player.

2. Asik and Lin weren't huge contributors for the Rockets last year. Asik only played in half of the games and sulked for half of those games. Lin was an inconsistent bench player whose production can easily be replaced.

3. Ariza is a better fit for the team than Parsons. You need a good perimeter defender next to Harden and Ariza is that. All he will be asked to do is defend and shoot open 3s.

4. The Rockets will only lose Parsons from their starting lineup and the chemistry between the other 4 will likely only get better. Last year was the first year 2 of those players had ever started and not a single one of those players had started a full season with anybody else in the lineup.

If the Rockets can add a rotation player or two and/or get production out of a young guy like Canaan, Nick Johnson, or Daniels they will be a better team. This offseason has not been a success but the Rockets are a sure fire 50 win playoff team next year.

HotRocks34 · Post #210 » by **HotRocks34** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:24 am

jmomcc wrote:I still think they could be a contender

jmomcc · Post #211 » by **jmomcc** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:32 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
jmomcc wrote:I still think they could be a contender

I guess I'm an optimist. Or at least I am a believer in Dwight..the last one maybe. How many games would Houston need to win this season for you to consider them a contender? 55-60? I think that's possible and I'm not a Houston fan.

kinein · Post #212 » by **kinein** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:48 am

Houston made a gamble, and got called on their bluff when the Mavs daggered in for the steal. Mavs finally #winout on a player that can be marquee for 10+ years.

HotRocks34 · Post #213 » by **HotRocks34** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:49 am

jmomcc wrote::) I guess I'm an optimist. Or at least I am a believer in Dwight..the last one maybe. How many games would Houston need to win this season for you to consider them a contender? 55-60? I think that's possible and I'm not a Houston fan.

Fair enough. I'll just share this from the Houston Chronicle, after the news came out that Parsons would be let go:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... 24500103=0

Had the Rockets landed Chris Bosh on Friday, they would have matched the offer to keep Parsons, a person with knowledge of the thinking said, becoming a team widely expected to be in position to join the championship contenders. Instead, they have taken several steps backwards, depending on what moves they put together to rebuild.

The Rockets missed on LeBron, Anthony and Bosh. They lost Lin and Asik. And now they let Parsons go. They're headed the wrong direction.

I saw an article I can't find now which said, basically, that the Rockets braintrust decided they would not be contenders this year, and thus they let Parsons go.

I'm not picking at you, just the idea that Houston will contend next year.

il_knicks7 · Post #214 » by **il_knicks7** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:51 am

I'm going to make a bold prediction here - Rockets do not make the playoffs this season.

baki · Post #215 » by **baki** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:55 am

jmomcc wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

I still think they could be a contender.

A contender for what? Playoffs? 1st round? WCF? Finals?

Dirkules · Post #216 » by **Dirkules** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:59 am

DByrne86 wrote:
Dirkules wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Smart move. Parsons is an overrated player and it is not worth that kind of money. All those criticizing Morey for letting him walk would be the same people criticizing him if he matched the offer and killed the Rockets' flexibility and championship hopes.

Overrated?? You serious?? Parsons is easily one of the most underrated players in the NBA. He's only 25 and is only going to get better. He already had perennial all-star written all over him and now he can learn from one of the best head coaches in the game. He's going to flourish under Carlisle.

This is a guy who is almost 26 and has never had a PER > 16. He's already near or at his ceiling. Not a 15/mil a year player. Not even close.

Everybody, including Mavs fans, agree that he's overpaid right now. However, to say he's "already near or at his ceiling," is where we disagree. He's ONLY 25 and has his best years ahead of him by far. You make 26 sound as if he's over the hill. Isn't he just now coming off his rookie contract?

jmomcc · Post #217 » by **jmomcc** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:01 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
jmomcc wrote::) I guess I'm an optimist. Or at least I am a believer in Dwight..the last one maybe. How many games would Houston need to win this season for you to consider them a contender? 55-60? I think that's possible and I'm not a Houston fan.

Fair enough. I'll just share this from the Houston Chronicle, after the news came out that Parsons would be let go:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... 24500103=0

Had the Rockets landed Chris Bosh on Friday, they would have matched the offer to keep Parsons, a person with knowledge of the thinking said, becoming a team widely expected to be in position to join the championship contenders. Instead, they have taken several steps backwards, depending on what moves they put together to rebuild.

The Rockets missed on LeBron, Anthony and Bosh. They lost Lin and Asik. And now they let Parsons go. They're headed the wrong direction.

I saw an article I can't find now which said, basically, that the Rockets braintrust decided they would not be contenders this year, and thus they let Parsons go.

I'm not picking at you, just the idea that Houston will contend next year.

Yea, I'd agree that they would have been locks to be contenders if they acquired Bosh and kept Parsons. My opinion though is that they have an elite rim protector in Howard and a elite SG (offensively). That can be enough sometimes for a very deep playoff run with the right breaks. They did take a step back but I still like their core.

EntropyPR · Post #218 » by **EntropyPR** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:04 am

baki wrote:
jmomcc wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

I still think they could be a contender.

A contender for what? Playoffs? 1st round? WCF? Finals?

Worst off-season moves?

jmomcc · Post #219 » by **jmomcc** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:04 am

baki wrote:
jmomcc wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Unless they do something more this Summer....I Houston in the 8th spot...after....
Spurs, Blazers, Thunder, Warriors, Mavs, Memphis, Clippers,

You can't lose Asik, Parsons, Lynn....and expect to do much. Not only will their defense suck....offense will too. Wow....they really F'ed it up.

I still think they could be a contender.

A contender for what? Playoffs? 1st round? WCF? Finals?

Contenders as in they could win it all. I don't see why not with some good match ups in the playoffs and if Howard regains his dominant form and Harden improves a little. More likely, they will be contenders next year after FA next year... but strange things happen and they have elite talent at the rim and on the wing.

This is not really a prediction. Its more ... they lost Parsons... that sucks but they have Howard and Harden. Them two with role players can win 55+ imo and go deep in the playoffs.

The Sparest · Post #220 » by **The Sparest** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:05 am

spacemonkey wrote:
The Sparest wrote:
The Hypnotoad wrote:
This is similar to the Carlos Boozer situation for the Cavs years back. The lesson, never trust a free agent player. If you got them under contract for cheap, keep them under contract for cheap, regardless of how angry they get, they'll forgive you if you pay them enough next time.

Indeed. Even if Parsons hit UFA status next season, the Rox could still have offered more money and years than any other team could. Massive miscalculation on Morey's part.

So, what, Parsons shouldn't have signed the sheet? Can't blame a player for taking what's on the table. Parsons made no promises to Houston.

No, I'm saying it was a bad gamble by Morey not to pick up the option. As a Mav fan I'm glad he didn't, but even if Parsons was angry over another year of low pay, the Rox would have his Bird rights and the ability to offer him more years/money than anyone else after this season. They could also have worked an extension during the season IIRC. I don't get the logic behind it.