Houston Not Matching Chandler Parsons Offer Sheet

[Zubby]

So let me get this.. the full team that Houston had last year lost in the 1st round to Portland (not a knock on Portland), they lost one of their key players..got a guy who only produces in a contract year to replace him..and some Houston fans expect the team to still be contenders?

idk that full team aside from Dwight & Daniels were complete trash in the playoffs. We had Parsons running his mouth about how he was the best sf in the matchup only to have Batum come out and roast his ass the rest of the series.

White Flight will do great for you all if he can get back to his rookie year defense and maintain his offense, but idk guy started getting too cocky.

Ariza isn't needed to be a playmaker, or big time scorer, just need him to defend, rebound, shoot open shoots.

[baki]

So let me get this.. the full team that Houston had last year lost in the 1st round to Portland (not a knock on Portland), they lost one of their key players..got a guy who only produces in a contract year to replace him..and some Houston fans expect the team to still be contenders?

idk that full team aside from Dwight & Daniels were complete trash in the playoffs. We had Parsons running his mouth about how he was the best sf in the matchup only to have Batum come out and roast his ass the rest of the series.

What? Suddenly Daniels is our closer now after just one lucky 3 pointer in the playoffs?

The guy is a perennial D-leaguer.

[EntropyPR]

So let me get this.. the full team that Houston had last year lost in the 1st round to Portland (not a knock on Portland), they lost one of their key players..got a guy who only produces in a contract year to replace him..and some Houston fans expect the team to still be contenders?

idk that full team aside from Dwight & Daniels were complete trash in the playoffs. We had Parsons running his mouth about how he was the best sf in the matchup only to have Batum come out and roast his ass the rest of the series.

White Flight will do great for you all if he can get back to his rookie year defense and maintain his offense, but idk guy started getting too cocky.

Ariza isn't needed to be a playmaker, or big time scorer, just need him to defend, rebound, shoot open shoots.

So if that team was complete trash in the playoffs..they are expected to get better with no actual upgrades during the off season? You can try and convince yourself that Arizia is an upgrade, but he isn't. Lateral move at best.

[Freefloater]

Told yall. Morey is the guy who values empty assets/cap room than players who actually win games.

how exactly parsons weak d wins you games?
you dont pay 15m for no d...

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You realize your best player is known to be one of the worst defensive players in the league right? Does that mean you think Harden is overpaid too?

Harden is a SUPERSTAR.... you may forgive no d with superstar player like Harden...only few people in the world can do what tHE BEARD is doing on offense...while Parsons is only an average nba player on offense...slightly above average at best...

[Juggynaut]

Dwight is so disappointed in Morey, Dwightmare incoming.

[Sasaki]

So let me get this.. the full team that Houston had last year lost in the 1st round to Portland (not a knock on Portland), they lost one of their key players..got a guy who only produces in a contract year to replace him..and some Houston fans expect the team to still be contenders?

Parsons went from being a future cornerstone of the Rockets, fan favorite, a player who has great upside and "can do it all," to "overrated," has limited upside and can easily be replaced by Trevor Ariza, in a matter of days.

*shrugs*

I've never claimed that Parsons had great upside and disagreed with those who said so. I do think Ariza can be an acceptable replacement ( though acceptable hardly means great). It's a tough loss, and ultimately not activating the fourth option hurt, but as everyone knows, if Bosh had accepted the deal which absolutely everyone thought he would, everything would be perfect.

If the offseason ended today, things indeed would be disastrous for Houston. But the offseason isn't over. People have talked about how Houston should attempt to shore up its depth and not go for a third star, and I expect the Rockets will go ahead and do just that now that the reach for the third star failed.

[baki]

how exactly parsons weak d wins you games?
you dont pay 15m for no d...

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You realize your best player is known to be one of the worst defensive players in the league right? Does that mean you think Harden is overpaid too?

Harden is a SUPERSTAR.... you may forgive no d with superstar player like Harden...only few people in the world can do what tHE BEARD is doing on offense...while Parsons is only an average nba player on offense...slightly above average at best...

Dude did not show up in the playoffs defensively or offensively, I think 98 year old Ray Allen would have done just as good with better defense than Harden.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Yea but Mavs lost all their depth they replaced Marion/Carter with Parsons, swapped Calderon for Felton, and Dalmbert & Chandler are about equal except Dalembert can stay healthy.

Gotta be the toughest division in the NBA, Spurs still on top, but I can see Dallas finishing at the bottom of the division if Pelicans stay healthy.

Houston just lost 3 of their top 5 players.

Dallas upgraded at C and SF. Harris who'll get more minutes is actually an upgrade at PG. They need some depth though.

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.

Am I missing something on Johnson ? 14.2 PPG 4.5 APG .430 FG% .234 3P% SUMMER LEAGUE surely Houston hopes aren't completely on his shoulders ..

[HotrodBeaubois]

Houston just lost 3 of their top 5 players.

Dallas upgraded at C and SF. Harris who'll get more minutes is actually an upgrade at PG. They need some depth though.

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.

Houston:
>>>Outgoing = Parsons, Asik, Lin
<<<Incoming = Ariza, ??, ??

Dallas:
>>>Outgoing = Dalembert, Marion, Carter, Calderon
<<<Incoming = Parsons, Chandler, ???

To most of us it looks like Dallas is doing better. But of course you think Chandler and Dalembert "are about equal" so I am not arguing with you anymore

Dallas Outgoing = Marion / Dalembert / Caleron / Carter / Blair / Ellington / Larkin
Dallas Incoming = Parsons / Chandler / Felton / Jefferson / Smith / Room Exception TBD / Vet Min TBD

[HotrodBeaubois]

dwight to miami in 2016... you heard it here first.

Parsons just recruits Howard again to Dallas ....You heard it here first

[HotrodBeaubois]

A few things that are being missed in this thread

1. The Rockets got an $8.3MM trade exception for the Lin trade and got what will likely be a lottery pick from NO in the Asik deal. At some point they will use one or both of those to get a good rotation player.

2. Asik and Lin weren't huge contributors for the Rockets last year. Asik only played in half of the games and sulked for half of those games. Lin was an inconsistent bench player whose production can easily be replaced.

3. Ariza is a better fit for the team than Parsons. You need a good perimeter defender next to Harden and Ariza is that. All he will be asked to do is defend and shoot open 3s.

4. The Rockets will only lose Parsons from their starting lineup and the chemistry between the other 4 will likely only get better. Last year was the first year 2 of those players had ever started and not a single one of those players had started a full season with anybody else in the lineup.

If the Rockets can add a rotation player or two and/or get production out of a young guy like Canaan, Nick Johnson, or Daniels they will be a better team. This offseason has not been a success but the Rockets are a sure fire 50 win playoff team next year.

The New Orleans Lottery Pick may not be a lottery pick when Davis / Asik make the playoffs and Houston doesn't

[HotrodBeaubois]

I still think they could be a contender

I guess I'm an optimist. Or at least I am a believer in Dwight..the last one maybe. How many games would Houston need to win this season for you to consider them a contender? 55-60? I think that's possible and I'm not a Houston fan.

they won 54 this year and really wasn't a contender ... Don't see them coming close to winning 50 games without some serious moves

[baki]

Houston just lost 3 of their top 5 players.

Dallas upgraded at C and SF. Harris who'll get more minutes is actually an upgrade at PG. They need some depth though.

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.

Am I missing something on Johnson ? 14.2 PPG 4.5 APG .430 FG% .234 3P% SUMMER LEAGUE surely Houston hopes aren't completely on his shoulders ..

You're right, according to some people anybody is better than Lin right? And Daniels only plays a handful of games to shoot spot up 3 pointers (like Novak which you had one time), there's no way he can become the playmaker for the Rockets let alone Beverley so we've got no quality PGs on our team.

Let's face it, Dallas came out better in the deal and are better prepared for the next few years, solid rotation of players, solid coach, solid owner. We definitely came out worst, so now we'll have to rely on luck and everybody elses bad luck to improve on last year, of course i don't wish bad luck on anyone.

[HotrodBeaubois]

:) I guess I'm an optimist. Or at least I am a believer in Dwight..the last one maybe. How many games would Houston need to win this season for you to consider them a contender? 55-60? I think that's possible and I'm not a Houston fan.

Fair enough. I'll just share this from the Houston Chronicle, after the news came out that Parsons would be let go:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... 24500103=0

Had the Rockets landed Chris Bosh on Friday, they would have matched the offer to keep Parsons, a person with knowledge of the thinking said, becoming a team widely expected to be in position to join the championship contenders. Instead, they have taken several steps backwards, depending on what moves they put together to rebuild.

The Rockets missed on LeBron, Anthony and Bosh. They lost Lin and Asik. And now they let Parsons go. They're headed the wrong direction.

I saw an article I can't find now which said, basically, that the Rockets braintrust decided they would not be contenders this year, and thus they let Parsons go.

I'm not picking at you, just the idea that Houston will contend next year.

Yea, I'd agree that they would have been locks to be contenders if they acquired Bosh and kept Parsons. My opinion though is that they have an elite rim protector in Howard and a elite SG (offensively). That can be enough sometimes for a very deep playoff run with the right breaks. They did take a step back but I still like their core.

That's definitely not enough in the West ...Don't know what game your watching but Haren's Iso-Ball is not going to take that team anywhere ... I feel sorry for Howard

[HotrodBeaubois]

I still think they could be a contender.

A contender for what? Playoffs? 1st round? WCF? Finals?

Contenders as in they could win it all. I don't see why not with some good match ups in the playoffs and if Howard regains his dominant form and Harden improves a little. More likely, they will be contenders next year after FA next year... but strange things happen and they have elite talent at the rim and on the wing.

This is not really a prediction. Its more ... they lost Parsons... that sucks but they have Howard and Harden. Them two with role players can win 55+ imo and go deep in the playoffs.

They won 54 games this year with them 2 and the role players of Parsons / Asik / Lin / Caspi ....And oh yeah winning 2 games in the 1st Round .... But OK

[HotrodBeaubois]

Yea, I'd agree that they would have been locks to be contenders if they acquired Bosh and kept Parsons. My opinion though is that they have an elite rim protector in Howard and a elite SG (offensively). That can be enough sometimes for a very deep playoff run with the right breaks. They did take a step back but I still like their core.

Except that with Howard and Harden, they weren't even close to a deep playoff run. They weren't even close to a deep 1st round run. Harden's playstyle with poor defense and over-reliance on flopping and free throws may not be conducive to playoff basketball. And now the team has less total assets and talent.

Yea maybe, I don't like reacting to strongly to one series though. They have less talent but I think they still have the key type of talent you need. Rim Protector and wing scorer.

I don't know about Harden's style being playoff conducive or not but I hope he picks up his D this year and loses some weight. I personally don't watch a ton of Houston because they play ugly ball imo but I think they have an interesting talent set.

Wish I new how to post pictures . Because yesterday I saw a picture of Haren at the Summer League and he don't look like he is losing any weight . He actually looks like he is going the other way . But he does have 3 months until the season starts so he still does have time .

[jmomcc]

A contender for what? Playoffs? 1st round? WCF? Finals?

Contenders as in they could win it all. I don't see why not with some good match ups in the playoffs and if Howard regains his dominant form and Harden improves a little. More likely, they will be contenders next year after FA next year... but strange things happen and they have elite talent at the rim and on the wing.

This is not really a prediction. Its more ... they lost Parsons... that sucks but they have Howard and Harden. Them two with role players can win 55+ imo and go deep in the playoffs.

They won 54 games this year with them 2 and the role players of Parsons / Asik / Lin / Caspi ....And oh yeah winning 2 games in the 1st Round .... But OK

Yea, sure why not. I don't think you really believe its that impossible. I dunno...what odds would you give me on Houston breaking 55 wins? Pretty high I'd guess.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Still have Howard, Harden & Jones(all top 5 players) from last year... Asik barely played was hurt than took forever to get into game shape. Nick Johnson looks like the real deal, maybe able to step in right away and Daniels should get signed back who will be like a completely new signing.

Am I missing something on Johnson ? 14.2 PPG 4.5 APG .430 FG% .234 3P% SUMMER LEAGUE surely Houston hopes aren't completely on his shoulders ..

You're right, according to some people anybody is better than Lin right? And Daniels only plays a handful of games to shoot spot up 3 pointers (like Novak which you had one time), there's no way he can become the playmaker for the Rockets let alone Beverley so we've got no quality PGs on our team.

Let's face it, Dallas came out better in the deal and are better prepared for the next few years, solid rotation of players, solid coach, solid owner. We definitely came out worst, so now we'll have to rely on luck and everybody elses bad luck to improve on last year, of course i don't wish bad luck on anyone.

Hey I am not knocking their young Summer League / D Leaguer being a Dallas fan I hope Ledo turns into the next superstar . But I damn sure aint basing Dallas record on it . If Ledo can get 5-10 MPG with the Varsity squad this year I will be happy

[HotrodBeaubois]

Contenders as in they could win it all. I don't see why not with some good match ups in the playoffs and if Howard regains his dominant form and Harden improves a little. More likely, they will be contenders next year after FA next year... but strange things happen and they have elite talent at the rim and on the wing.

This is not really a prediction. Its more ... they lost Parsons... that sucks but they have Howard and Harden. Them two with role players can win 55+ imo and go deep in the playoffs.

They won 54 games this year with them 2 and the role players of Parsons / Asik / Lin / Caspi ....And oh yeah winning 2 games in the 1st Round .... But OK

Yea, sure why not. I don't think you really believe its that impossible. I dunno...what odds would you give me on Houston breaking 55 wins? Pretty high I'd guess.

with this roster 100-1 ....I doubt they get anywhere near 50 Wins and damn sure wont be making any kind of run in the playoffs if they even make it other than running out of the building after a 4 game sweep to the #1 Seed

[jmomcc]

They won 54 games this year with them 2 and the role players of Parsons / Asik / Lin / Caspi ....And oh yeah winning 2 games in the 1st Round .... But OK

Yea, sure why not. I don't think you really believe its that impossible. I dunno...what odds would you give me on Houston breaking 55 wins? Pretty high I'd guess.

with this roster 100-1 ....I doubt they get anywhere near 50 Wins and damn sure wont be making any kind of run in the playoffs if they even make it other than running out of the building after a 4 game sweep to the #1 Seed

I'll take $10 at 100-1.