Rockets To Pursue Trade For Rajon Rondo Or Kevin Love

[Marty McFly]

they should have signed lance. they need some testosterone in that lineup.

[kb24vskb8]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...

Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

[PDX_DL0]

Both players become FA's next season. Morey still swinging for a home run when all he needed was a single. At least this off season is fun to follow, thanks Morey!

[PDX_DL0]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...

Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

exactly, he spent the last 3 years acquiring young assets and let them go for next to nothing. Houston took a few steps back which means death in the deep Western Conference.

[colincb]

Morey's been too cute by half and has been unlucky too. Doesn't have the goods for a trade for Rondo (never mind Love) that you could even argue for as being plausible even as a (rational) HOU fan.

[HotelVitale]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...
Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

exactly, he spent the last 3 years acquiring young assets and let them go for next to nothing. Houston took a few steps back which means death in the deep Western Conference.

I'm not a Rockets fan, but this overstates things. Lin was a negative asset, contract was a greater burden than his play was benefit. And Asik netted them a first that could be in the lotto, that's about the best return as possible and it's probably a better trade chip than Asik (and his $14m contract).

They lost Parsons and that hurts for trade purposes. But aside from that they did well as far as assets go.

[HotelVitale]

Technically yes and technically no.
They have is draft rights which is almost like bird rights just on a rookie scale.
A player has to play for the at least 3 years before acquiring bird rights.

Draft rights aren't like Bird rights, though, because they mean you're the ONLY team that can negotiate in any way with that player. Bird Rights just means you can go over the cap, draft rights mean the player is locked in to you and only you if he wants to get into the NBA.

[Bentley1225]

Did they get a trade exeption for Parsons?. That is ony way I can see Rockets working a deal for Rondo if Boston just wants to dump his salary for multiple draft picks.

[Dolphin Lips]

Did they get a trade exeption for Parsons?. That is ony way I can see Rockets working a deal for Rondo if Boston just wants to dump his salary for multiple draft picks.

No - Mavs werent willing to let the Rockets do a sign and trade, which would have given them the trade exception

[RaptorRed]

Technically yes and technically no.
They have is draft rights which is almost like bird rights just on a rookie scale.
A player has to play for the at least 3 years before acquiring bird rights.

Draft rights aren't like Bird rights, though, because they mean you're the ONLY team that can negotiate in any way with that player. Bird Rights just means you can go over the cap, draft rights mean the player is locked in to you and only you if he wants to get into the NBA.

Yes but a team over the cap can go over the cap to sign a player on the rookie scale when they have his draft rights. So in a way they are like Bird rights...

[moocow007]

I don't see enough assets to get Ainge to trade Rondo (Ainge is a smart GM and he's knows when a package is not enough). Their assets are basically Terrence Jones and that Pelicans protected 1st round pick. Motiejunas may or may not be a real asset...he's not really done anything so far. And let's be quite honest, Patrick Beverley was arguably the worst starting PG from a pure point standpoint in the NBA last season (which is because he's basically just a backup PG) so Beverly's value is not exactly high. They may have the cap space to absorb most of Rondo's salary without requiring Boston to take contracts back, but Ainge isn't going to fork over Rondo for that package any more than Milt Newton of the Wolves (who have already turned down better packages) would for Love.

[moocow007]

Did they get a trade exeption for Parsons?. That is ony way I can see Rockets working a deal for Rondo if Boston just wants to dump his salary for multiple draft picks.

No - Mavs werent willing to let the Rockets do a sign and trade, which would have given them the trade exception

Yeah Cuban wasn't going to give Morey and the Rockets a bleeping thing. It was basically if you want to match it you match it, otherwise, screw you. Often times, teams execs that have a good working relationship with the other teams exec will actually work out a scenario where the other team would get an exception. Donnie Walsh did that when they signed Amare Stoudemire from Phoenix when they didn't really need to.

[puja21]

Morey was an idiot and screwed it all up. Should have kept Parsons and never let him reach FA. They had nothing to counter a Bosh deal if MIA maxed and they knew that going into the deal and they still blew up all their trade chips for nada. Asik Lin and Parsons gone Ariza in and now they got crap to show for it. .

Since you ended your post in "LOLOLOLOL" I should probably ignore...

If Houston picked up the 965K option on Parsons for 2015 they would have saved just ~1.91M towards pursuing free agents like Bosh... this is the difference between the 965K option and Parson's restricted FA qualifying cap hold of $2.88M. It is nowhere near enough savings to make them a player, so they still would have had to dump Asik/Lin and picks to make offers for Melo, Bosh etc...

And that would have resulted in sending Parsons to unrestricted free agency next year, where he could leave for nothing, and their only advantage would have been holding his Bird Rights to exceed the cap. There is no option to "extend him" before he gets to free agency. They could have traded him but Dan Fegan (Parson's new agent) would have held ALL the leverage.

The calculated risk was that no one would offer north of 12M for Parsons OR that some big free agent would want to join the team of Howard/Harden/Parsons/Jones/Beverly (or both in a best possible scenario). Yes, Houston rolled the dice and lost, but they had the option to extend Parsons and chose not to do so. It is not like Cuban "set" the market, given the absurd max Gordon Hayward was offered and what SVG paid for Meeks.

They still have 20M in cap space and their 2016 and 2017 first round picks. It's not 'nothing'

Fegan wanted Parsons to get paid now and it worked out. There was no "good solution" for Houston where they don't overpay for Parsons or lose him. They chose to let him walk and no one knows yet if that will work or not.

[puja21]

Did they get a trade exeption for Parsons?. That is ony way I can see Rockets working a deal for Rondo if Boston just wants to dump his salary for multiple draft picks.

I haven't seen anything about an exception, but Houston has $20M in cap space now, and Rondo counts ~13M so even without one, if anything at all comes back in the form of salary from Houston (Jones etc...), Boston could potentially dump one of the 2 "bad" contracts on their books in Green/Wallace... but even those guys are only 2 years each. It's not Vin Baker or Raef Lafrentz 10 years ago.

That doesn't seem like enough to get Rondo this early on. Ainge has a history of waiting, of getting a lot back in trades, and not necessarily "winning" salary negotiations like Green and Bradley (although he did fleece Rondo). So, I could see him maxing Rondo depending on how this season plays out... and not everyone would agree on that being good.

Boston just has so many options with all their picks, young players, and expiring contracts... Trading Rondo is not a "need" like in Minnesota's case with Love.

[BallerTalk]

Did they get a trade exeption for Parsons?. That is ony way I can see Rockets working a deal for Rondo if Boston just wants to dump his salary for multiple draft picks.

No - Mavs werent willing to let the Rockets do a sign and trade, which would have given them the trade exception

Not accurate.
The Mavs actually tried to engage Houston in a sign and trade before they submitted the offer sheet, Houston refused as they wanted to keep all options open if they signed Bosh.
After Houston chose not to match, the teams petitioned the league to still allow them to work out a S&T because it would have benefited both teams; it would have saved Dallas some cap space and it would have given Houston a trade exception.
The league denied the request.

[kleong1012]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...
Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

exactly, he spent the last 3 years acquiring young assets and let them go for next to nothing. Houston took a few steps back which means death in the deep Western Conference.

I'm not a Rockets fan, but this overstates things. Lin was a negative asset, contract was a greater burden than his play was benefit. And Asik netted them a first that could be in the lotto, that's about the best return as possible and it's probably a better trade chip than Asik (and his $14m contract).

They lost Parsons and that hurts for trade purposes. But aside from that they did well as far as assets go.

Wrong, Lin at 15 million is steep, but if they aren't going to use that cap space which they aren't then having Lin coming off that deal is more valuable than not having him. Now you don't have a backup point guard. In addition you lost Omri Capsi, and Asik. No bench? And a downgrade in SF.

Not only that but, usually, 15 million expiring deals are valuable, usually for those that need it for the following offseason. This could of been traded to several teams for not much but Houston wouldn't have to give up a pick to trade Lin at that point. Also if they were to trade for Love, who are they going to send over? Numbers have to match, Lin could of been part of that deal.

[HotelVitale]

Not only that but, usually, 15 million expiring deals are valuable, usually for those that need it for the following offseason. This could of been traded to several teams for not much but Houston wouldn't have to give up a pick to trade Lin at that point.

There hasn't been an expiring used in a meaningful trade in many years now. It's been a decade since the days when those were really valuable; nowadays nearly all larger expirings just quietly expire or else get traded for bits and pieces (the Maggette-Gordon swap is the last one I can think of that netted assets, and that was 2 years after the deal went down).

Also, we were talking about trade assets not about their roster/talent. The only thing they lost they was of value with the Lin/Asik deals was their own first-rounder, a relatively small value since it'd be projected to be in the last 5-6 picks in the draft. And they gained the NOLA first, which along with Jones would be their best asset. I don't quite get why they didn't match Parsons, but they couldn't have traded him for a while and the rest of their assets weren't going to net Kevin Love so I don't think they really screwed themselves on the trade front for the near future.

[kanetrain33]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...

Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

They had to give them away because their contracts were backloaded and both players were way overpaid now. If they would have front-loaded the contracts it would have been much easier to move them - might even have had positive value. Then again, if they would have signed them to decent contracts, they never would have been able to pry those two off the RFA market. NY didn't match Lins deal because it was pretty insane. Same with Asik.

This is a text-book example of how a bad contract can come back to bite you. I think the Rockets were getting a bit of their own medicine when Dallas signed Parsons to that "untradeable" contract and they couldn't match. Salary structure is really, really important. It's not just gross $. We might be talking about how Dallas is "stuck" with the Parsons deal 4 years from now.

[totalrekall]

I dont think theres enough shots to go around w/ Love. I dont like teams where guys arent getting enough looks. Rondo makes way more sense. a playmaker to get Dwight some easy baskets and keep him fully involved in the game. which obviously is the one thing James Harden doesnt do well

[CrazyB0y]

With what assets though? They practically gave away Asik, Lin, Parsons ...

Maybe something like Beverley, Jones, Montiejunas and couple first round picks for one of the two?

They had to give them away because their contracts were backloaded and both players were way overpaid now. If they would have front-loaded the contracts it would have been much easier to move them - might even have had positive value. Then again, if they would have signed them to decent contracts, they never would have been able to pry those two off the RFA market. NY didn't match Lins deal because it was pretty insane. Same with Asik.

This is a text-book example of how a bad contract can come back to bite you. I think the Rockets were getting a bit of their own medicine when Dallas signed Parsons to that "untradeable" contract and they couldn't match. Salary structure is really, really important. It's not just gross $. We might be talking about how Dallas is "stuck" with the Parsons deal 4 years from now.

Parsons deal is just for two years with the third being a player option... unless Parsons has some sort of career ending injury, he'll opt out

so Dallas has Parsons on the books for two years