Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[mrknowitall215]

Waiters just thinks he's better than he actually is. Henderson had those same kinds of character issues when he went out of his way to not deal with Larry Brown.

Trust me, you don't know Dion Waiters like I 'know' Dion Waiters. He's been kicked out of every high school in Philadelphia during his prep years that lead to him going to a school out in New Jersey to graduate. Under disguise, a lot of the reason why he didn't start at Syracuse was because of his off-court antics and it was moreso a punishment by Jim Boeheim masqueraded as something situational to keep it out of the media's hands. Fast forward to his NBA career, he's been rumored to have got into physical altercations with Kyrie Irving that lead to him having a 2-game absence in which he wasn't suspended but Irving did appear in a game the next night with a black eye

I'll just leave it at that. I'm not a psychic. I don't claim to know it all. However, I'm familiar with Waiters as he is from South Philly, and I'm in acquaintance with a few people in his inner circle

Aware of most of that.

When he does all that AND beats women, they'll he be Lance Stephenson.

I'm guessing only a woman beater could be classified as a player with 'character issues' then? At least now I know the criteria. Waiters is a model citizen in that case

[mrknowitall215]

Your username begs to differ.

Reiterated for the thousandth time, it's a nickname given to me by my ex-girlfriends for making them look stupid in debates. Do you know how hard it is to win a argument with a woman? Damn near impossible, but I've conquered the feat plenty of times

Maybe they were stupid to begin with.

And I don't believe there's such a thing as winning a debate with a woman. Initially it appears as though she has lost but she finds a way to take a chunk out of your ass in other ways down the road.

I've manipulated the minds of women with master's degrees into agreeing with me at the end. I don't date hoodrats. I have a little class beyond my wit

[JDR720]

I would rather sign Lance for 10-13 million than get Waiters for our assets like Zeller, they both may be crazy but Lance is way more talented

add to the core don't replace core pieces with other core pieces

[MPM]

I understand some of the Lance-bashing sentiment here, but despite the beating of women, the blowing in of ears, the locker room horse play, there is a Championship caliber team (arguable, I know) out there that has endured it all, and yet still has a chorus of voices (players, coaches, management, ownership) clamoring to have Lance back. This includes PG. I think when you have talent of this level at this young of an age, you have to take a shot. The Pacers seem to think another 4 years of Lance would be super duper. I mean lets not be hypocrites, here. Captain Jack was actually quoted as saying that it felt good to punch a fan, and he was beloved by a lot of Bobcats fans.

[DY_nasty]

Trust me, you don't know Dion Waiters like I 'know' Dion Waiters. He's been kicked out of every high school in Philadelphia during his prep years that lead to him going to a school out in New Jersey to graduate. Under disguise, a lot of the reason why he didn't start at Syracuse was because of his off-court antics and it was moreso a punishment by Jim Boeheim masqueraded as something situational to keep it out of the media's hands. Fast forward to his NBA career, he's been rumored to have got into physical altercations with Kyrie Irving that lead to him having a 2-game absence in which he wasn't suspended but Irving did appear in a game the next night with a black eye

I'll just leave it at that. I'm not a psychic. I don't claim to know it all. However, I'm familiar with Waiters as he is from South Philly, and I'm in acquaintance with a few people in his inner circle

Aware of most of that.

When he does all that AND beats women, they'll he be Lance Stephenson.

I'm guessing only a woman beater could be classified as a player with 'character issues' then? At least now I know the criteria. Waiters is a model citizen in that case

That's not what I'm saying.

It should be very clear what I'm saying

I don't mind jackassery at all - its when you put people in the hospital that aren't even remotely close to threatening that there might *possibly* be some separation.

[MasterIchiro]

Reiterated for the thousandth time, it's a nickname given to me by my ex-girlfriends for making them look stupid in debates. Do you know how hard it is to win a argument with a woman? Damn near impossible, but I've conquered the feat plenty of times

Maybe they were stupid to begin with.

And I don't believe there's such a thing as winning a debate with a woman. Initially it appears as though she has lost but she finds a way to take a chunk out of your ass in other ways down the road.

I've manipulated the minds of women with master's degrees into agreeing with me at the end. I don't date hoodrats. I have a little class beyond my wit

Yeah well I've dated doctorates crazier than hood rats.

[mrknowitall215]

Aware of most of that.

When he does all that AND beats women, they'll he be Lance Stephenson.

I'm guessing only a woman beater could be classified as a player with 'character issues' then? At least now I know the criteria. Waiters is a model citizen in that case

That's not what I'm saying.

It should be very clear what I'm saying

I don't mind jackassery at all - its when you put people in the hospital that aren't even remotely close to threatening that there might *possibly* be some separation.

I'll agree on that term. I think even I would've punched Kyrie Irving in the face at least once with his arrogance. He just come off as someone that I would dislike in person

I personally wouldn't mind either of Stephenson or Waiters on the roster despite their 'character issues'

[mrknowitall215]

Maybe they were stupid to begin with.

And I don't believe there's such a thing as winning a debate with a woman. Initially it appears as though she has lost but she finds a way to take a chunk out of your ass in other ways down the road.

I've manipulated the minds of women with master's degrees into agreeing with me at the end. I don't date hoodrats. I have a little class beyond my wit

Yeah well I've dated doctorates crazier than hood rats.

All women are crazy. The smarter they are the crazier they are

[LofJ]

I understand some of the Lance-bashing sentiment here, but despite the beating of women, the blowing in of ears, the locker room horse play, there is a Championship caliber team (arguable, I know) out there that has endured it all, and yet still has a chorus of voices (players, coaches, management, ownership) clamoring to have Lance back. This includes PG. I think when you have talent of this level at this young of an age, you have to take a shot. The Pacers seem to think another 4 years of Lance would be super duper. I mean lets not be hypocrites, here. Captain Jack was actually quoted as saying that it felt good to punch a fan, and he was beloved by a lot of Bobcats fans.

I'm sure he's not the first player to have thought that, he was just dumb enough to say it out loud. I bet it did feel good, I doubt it was worth the consequences though.

[JDR720]

and besides, Minny has said a billion times Cleveland isn't touching Love unless they get Wiggins

[DY_nasty]

I understand some of the Lance-bashing sentiment here, but despite the beating of women, the blowing in of ears, the locker room horse play, there is a Championship caliber team (arguable, I know) out there that has endured it all, and yet still has a chorus of voices (players, coaches, management, ownership) clamoring to have Lance back. This includes PG. I think when you have talent of this level at this young of an age, you have to take a shot. The Pacers seem to think another 4 years of Lance would be super duper. I mean lets not be hypocrites, here. Captain Jack was actually quoted as saying that it felt good to punch a fan, and he was beloved by a lot of Bobcats fans.

If they wanted him back that bad, they would've said that they'd match no matter what. According to this market, its very clear that they lowballed him. Pacers fans aren't THAT hurt about it. Pacers FO has already shown that they're shopping Hibbert as well. They're moving forward regardless. Its very rare that you'll ever see an organization come out and actually bash a player in the media. Extremely rare. I don't know why people should wait for such a clear indication when the actions of everyone involved clearly show that they want to retain their investment and little more.

And at least with punching a fan, Jackson thought that he was helping a teammate. Crazy as hell. But still a lot better than hospitalizing someone who didn't return a phone call.

[MPM]

Dy_Nas - Definitely don't want to get roped into the Lance is bad/Lance is good back-and-forth, but the Pacer's can't 'match no matter what.' The offer on the table is basically the max they can afford without going over the luxury tax threshold - far from a lowball, and it was offered before all of the ensuing crazy signings. That implies they want him to me.

From what I've seen on the Pacers board, losing Lance is not something most would be happy with as well.

I think most of us also understand that teams posture. But this doesn't reek of posturing: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pacers-pla ... --nba.html

You're only trump card to me in the Lance debate is the girlfriend beating, and I'm with you - it's an ace.

[Hornet Mania]

Not that intrigued by Waiters, I would pass on the chance to bring him into the fold. Lance is a better defender and has contributed to a winning team. There is a reason Minnesota has balked at the idea of trading Love for a package centered around Waiters.

Lance strikes me as a Dennis Rodman-type of headcase: if you put him in the right environment he will be awesome. Might be a little bit of a nut, but he wants to win and gives the effort to get there. Dion Waiters strikes me as a Glenn Robinson-type of headcase, doesn't play a winning brand of basketball and is in it for himself first and the team a distant second. That might not be entirely fair to either of those guys, but it's just one outsider's opinion.

[HornetJail]

and besides, Minny has said a billion times Cleveland isn't touching Love unless they get Wiggins

and same for the other way around. I wouldn't touch a Wiggins/Love offer if I was Cleveland. Wiggins has the potential to be Lebron's Scottie Pippen, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him do that.

[DY_nasty]

Dy_Nas - Definitely don't want to get roped into the Lance is bad/Lance is good back-and-forth, but the Pacer's can't 'match no matter what.' The offer on the table is basically the max they can afford without going over the luxury tax threshold - far from a lowball, and it was offered before all of the ensuing crazy signings. That implies they want him to me.

From what I've seen on the Pacers board, losing Lance is not something most would be happy with as well.

I think most of us also understand that teams posture. But this doesn't reek of posturing: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pacers-pla ... --nba.html

You're only trump card to me in the Lance debate is the girlfriend beating, and I'm with you - it's an ace.

Completely forgot that he's not a RFA. Wow.

[MasterIchiro]

Well forget about Love for a second. Forget how the Cavs feel about Wiggins and how the Wolves feel about Love. Deal directly with the Cavs. They want to split Irving and Waiters and now that Irving has been locked up, it's clear who the odd man out there is. And Lebron's short commitment puts the Cavs in a situation where they have to compel him to stay. I really think they have to clean up that clubhouse right now. Zeller, Biz, Hairston, a lottery protected 1st rounder, 2019 Miami 2nd rounder, Neal, Henderson, all up for grabs. The Cavs are motivated to move him but honestly what is his market right now?

[LofJ]

Dy_Nas - Definitely don't want to get roped into the Lance is bad/Lance is good back-and-forth, but the Pacer's can't 'match no matter what.' The offer on the table is basically the max they can afford without going over the luxury tax threshold - far from a lowball, and it was offered before all of the ensuing crazy signings. That implies they want him to me.

From what I've seen on the Pacers board, losing Lance is not something most would be happy with as well.

I think most of us also understand that teams posture. But this doesn't reek of posturing: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pacers-pla ... --nba.html

You're only trump card to me in the Lance debate is the girlfriend beating, and I'm with you - it's an ace.

Completely forgot that he's not a RFA. Wow.

it's shocking that literally no one outside of Indiana has made him an offer yet

[yosemiteben]

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The secret is revealed!

[KembaWalker]

his agent isnt exactly major..probably doesn't have connections with the top media guys or vice versa. thats the only reason I can fathom we haven't seen any info

[toddlincoln]

his agent is his defense lawyer from his girlfriend beating case. everything around Lance makes me uncomfortable