Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[Clutch Carter]

Getting exploited in summer league? I guess Jabari got exploited too, maybe he should head overseas?

[youngtea]

as our 14th/15th man, he doesn't need to be ready. He will develop at a better pace in Raptors practice/dleague rather than overseas.

Are there any examples of a Non-NBA ready player developing in the D League?

dudes that played in dleague:

lin, birdman, gortat, m. barnes, farmar, tolliver, c.j. watson, chuck hayes, j,j. barea, martell webster, rafer alston, ramon sessions, shannon brown, brandon bass.

A bunch of rotation players. Bruno is only 18, he needs to get the reps in at this point.

Correct, but none of those players spent an entire season in the dleague. I just can't imagine comparing him to someone like Lin who played a handful games before getting signed by a team. No player I know played an entire season in the d league and ended up developing.

[youngtea]

Getting exploited in summer league? I guess Jabari got exploited too, maybe he should head overseas?

You just compared Jabari to Caboclo?

[LastNameEver]

Training camp and practices against NBA players will go a long way in his development. He doesn't have to play actually games. Amir learned a lot sitting on Detroits bench

[Clutch Carter]

Getting exploited in summer league? I guess Jabari got exploited too, maybe he should head overseas?

You just compared Jabari to Caboclo?

I'm being over reactionary. Sound familiar?

[RNsteve]

He should stay. His long term development is a bigger benefit to the team then what a 15th man is going to provide.

They have him with the team for the sake of his long-term development. He gets to get acclimated to the culture, he gets to work out with world class trainers, he gets to be coached by NBA coaches, and he gets to practice vs NBA players.

Which is my point. Have him stay with the team/the Raptors. What I meant was any player we could replace him with/the benefit they would provide over him is not worth his development with our training staff. The guy has the physical tools that you simply can't teach. If he gains some weight and becomes a little more seasoned, at worse he can be a rotation guy in a year. 7'7" people...for the type of player he can become, that is simply unreal.

[youngtea]

Why in the blue hell would you want him to be stored away and be coached a way we don't him to be somewhere in europe????

Keep him here
Let him learn english
Have him go against top defenders like JJ and Ross in practice
Get him some garbage minutes (If Novak can get on the court then so should Bruno)


Relax people! HE"S STAYING HERE!

Because that is how most players are developed. On rosters where he can be challenge for minutes. Specially considering he is of no help for the team. It is like we are saying screw it we don't need a 15th player. The spurs utilize an entire roster of players they will utilize. Especially when they need help in numerous spots including a big man, a sf and also a 3rd pg.

[Bankai]

I'm assuming judging from your reaction that you only watched this game and not the previous 2 games.

[Detective]

Man, now I have this amazing mental image of him and Jonas wearing 80's style warm ups and headbands, jogging together, and humming the music to Survivor's Eye of the Tiger, while they train.

Since he's supposed to train 1 on 1 with Jonas later this summer, I wouldn't put it past our C to bust out something like that.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg[/youtube]

[CunningLinguist]

After seeing him getting exploited in the summer league I can't understand what use it is for the team or him on our 15 man roster. Are there lots of examples of players that were not NBA ready, but were brought over to get developed on a teams roster?

Do you think the Raptors made a mistake by bringing Caboclo over this season? Should he have stayed in Spain and player 1 more season before the Raptors brought him over?

Spain? He's from Brazil. And yes we should keep him with the team rather than keeping him there or sending him to Europe, where they play veterans over young guys anyway. We want to have control over his diet and training regimen and we want him to learn English and our offensive and defensive systems. We can send him for some stints in the D-league to give him additional mites to those that he'll get in practice.

Do people not remember what it was like when highschoolers were drafted into the NBA? Guys like Jermaine O'Neal, TMAC, Rashard Lewis etc. had careers that turned out just fine despite not playing much early on. Relax and take a chill pill.

Comparing Jermaine Oneal, TMac and Rashard Lewis to Caboclo is crazy.

McGrady his first season with us played 18 mpg in regular season
Rashard lewis played 7 mpg.
Jermaine Oneal played 10 mpg.

Jermaine O'Neal hardly played for the 4 years he was in Portland. He played 8 minutes a game in his third year and 12 in his 4th year. He never got a chance until he was traded to the Pacers. The point is you can develop in practice against NBA players and with high quality coaching more quickly than by playing sparingly in Brazil or Europe. You do realize Bruno only played 13 minutes a game in Brazil last year right?

[youngtea]

Getting exploited in summer league? I guess Jabari got exploited too, maybe he should head overseas?

You just compared Jabari to Caboclo?

I'm being over reactionary. Sound familiar?

Do you agree that he is not NBA ready?
Do you agree that he does not help the team?
Do you agree that there are no examples of players that spent an entire season in the D League and ended up developing?

[Thespianoid]

Because that is how most players are developed. On rosters where he can be challenge for minutes.

Then he shouldn't go to Europe, unless he can get a spot at Cajasol or Partizan. Because on most teams, he'd be stuck on the bench. Not because he sucks, but because he's young and wouldn't contribute to the team's winning immediately. Look at Mario Hezonja, or Domantas Sabonis.

Players like Bogdanovic, Saric, they got minutes because of team philosophy, or team needs toward winning (Cibona).

[youngtea]

Spain? He's from Brazil. And yes we should keep him with the team rather than keeping him there or sending him to Europe, where they play veterans over young guys anyway. We want to have control over his diet and training regimen and we want him to learn English and our offensive and defensive systems. We can send him for some stints in the D-league to give him additional mites to those that he'll get in practice.

Do people not remember what it was like when highschoolers were drafted into the NBA? Guys like Jermaine O'Neal, TMAC, Rashard Lewis etc. had careers that turned out just fine despite not playing much early on. Relax and take a chill pill.

Comparing Jermaine Oneal, TMac and Rashard Lewis to Caboclo is crazy.

McGrady his first season with us played 18 mpg in regular season
Rashard lewis played 7 mpg.
Jermaine Oneal played 10 mpg.

Jermaine O'Neal hardly played for the 4 years he was in Portland. He played 8 minutes a game in his third year and 12 in his 4th year. He never got a chance until he was traded to the Pacers. The point is you can develop in practice against NBA players and with high quality coaching more quickly than by playing sparingly in Brazil or Europe. You do realize Bruno only played 13 minutes a game in Brazil last year right?

Exactly. If his indication of lack of playing time in Brazil it should demonstrate that he isn't ready. He does not help us win and playing in the dleague for an entire season has never shown to help a players growth. He is not NBA ready and I am not sure if he D League ready.

[simple_jack]

Why in the blue hell would you want him to be stored away and be coached a way we don't him to be somewhere in europe????

Keep him here
Let him learn english
Have him go against top defenders like JJ and Ross in practice
Get him some garbage minutes (If Novak can get on the court then so should Bruno)


Relax people! HE"S STAYING HERE!

Because that is how most players are developed. On rosters where he can be challenge for minutes. Specially considering he is of no help for the team. It is like we are saying screw it we don't need a 15th player. The spurs utilize an entire roster of players they will utilize. Especially when they need help in numerous spots including a big man, a sf and also a 3rd pg.

So after 1 bad SUMMER LEAGUE game you decided he won't be able to help this team this upcoming season????


Yea suuuure that wing span will serve no use to coach Casey.

[mtcan]

Yea...who the **** cares about the 14th man on the roster? How are people losing sleep about whether the 14th man on the roster is contributing?

[Raptors_Dynasty]

The kid is only 18... relax people...

lol this is the Raptors board, we don't relax, we over react

[simple_jack]

Werem't you all calling him an allstar after the first summer league?


Bipolar gonna bipolar

Summer League GOAT Marcus Banks says hi.

[youngtea]

I'm assuming judging from your reaction that you only watched this game and not the previous 2 games.

I watched the other 2 games, but if you think it shows he is NBA ready you are mistaken. If anything it shows he may not even player consistent minutes in the D League.

[knickerbocker2k2]

Training camp and practices against NBA players will go a long way in his development. He doesn't have to play actually games. Amir learned a lot sitting on Detroits bench

This!!! The guy is very raw. It is almost like high school for him. Team needs to physically develop him while at same time developing basic basketball skills. He is probably 1-2 years away from being able to take advantage of game time minutes. I don't think oversea teams will care about his development, especially when they know he is gone in 1-2 years.

Hopefully this season is about putting in the foundation. I don't think NBDL is even the answer. He should go through training camp, and practice with the team. Maybe towards end of season they sent him down to NBDL.

[Clutch Carter]

You just compared Jabari to Caboclo?

I'm being over reactionary. Sound familiar?

Do you agree that he is not NBA ready?
Do you agree that he does not help the team?
Do you agree that there are no examples of players that spent an entire season in the D League and ended up developing?

The only relevant question is what place is best for him to develop, and if Masai think's it's here then that's where it'll be, end of discussion.