The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[WTFsunsFTW]

I dont think anyone with cap space could sign him outright to a contract that wouldnt crush their cap situation. No way we lose him for 'nothing'.

And I cant fathom why we would want to lose him. I call BS on 'prepared to lose him'.

[bwgood77]

I agree it would be nice to have a banger but there doesn't seem to be a good one out there. Also, TD and ZBo are getting up there in age and probably really start their decline soon. It would be nice if Len could at least provide a serious inside presence defensively even if he never develops much of an offensive game. I mean he's bulked up and 7'1. He need to start pushing people around like Steven Adams was doing at the end of the season.

Len is still a good 2-3 years away from actually reaching his potential. It takes young bigs a lot longer to develop.

I agree, but I was surprised at how much Dieng and Adams improved in their rookie seasons. It will be interesting to see how Noel does this year.

It might be best to just tell Len to focus on D. Just guarding the rim, rebounding, etc, first, because that is our biggest need for a big....we can take care of the offense with the rest of our team.

[bwgood77]

I dont think anyone with cap space could sign him outright to a contract that wouldnt crush their cap situation. No way we lose him for 'nothing'.

And I cant fathom why we would want to lose him. I call BS on 'prepared to lose him'.

Yeah, that's a BS report. Even if he gets the max, you have to match, just because we can't afford to lose assets at all.

I doubt anyone will give him the max unless Detroit clears some salary or lets Monroe go, or if Milwaukee is able to trade Ilyasova. They may even try to give an asset away in order to get rid of him so they can offer Bledsoe the max.

[tgtm_24]

Given our attempts on Bosh were kept out of main headlines, you'd think something else was happening. To me it seems very weird that Bledsoe hasn't even received an offer sheet yet.

Would Rashard Lewis be an option? (awful contract) I know.

[bwgood77]

Is that prepared to lose him for nothing or prepared to part ways with him ie in the trade?

The only way we'd be prepared to lose him is if the medical staff is WAY more concerned about his medical status than they are letting on. But I'm sure they would try to pry an asset from Milwaukee. Unfortunately they may not want anyone. But a pick that didn't have heavy protection and possibly Ilyasova if they like him could do it.

But knowing what we all know there is NO WAY they just let him walk or even do a S&T unless it made us better.

But of course I understand it if they have huge medical concerns and don't feel like they can give a guy $55 million or so with those concerns.

[spanishninja]

Is that prepared to lose him for nothing or prepared to part ways with him ie in the trade?

The only way we'd be prepared to lose him is if the medical staff is WAY more concerned about his medical status than they are letting on. But I'm sure they would try to pry an asset from Milwaukee. Unfortunately they may not want anyone. But a pick that didn't have heavy protection and possibly Ilyasova if they like him could do it.

But knowing what we all know there is NO WAY they just let him walk or even do a S&T unless it made us better.

But of course I understand it if they have huge medical concerns and don't feel like they can give a guy $55 million or so with those concerns.

I think the delay on signing him could also be to try to drive down his price from other suitors as much as possible. The longer he stays unsigned the more other teams will think "I wonder what's wrong with the guy, still unsigned". This may eventually lead to either matching a lower-than-max offer or bledsoe just agreeing with a reasonable but non-max offer from us without signing offer sheets.

[NaturalBuns]

I just always had the vibe bledsoe wanted out when I saw his exit interview.
He's probably being a professional behind the scenes and both sides are trying to find common ground on a move that benefits both sides.

Could be wrong though but in the interview he flat out avoided a question about coming back

[spanishninja]

I just always had the vibe bledsoe wanted out when I saw his exit interview.
He's probably being a professional behind the scenes and both sides are trying to find common ground on a move that benefits both sides.

Could be wrong though

yeah, but what you want and what you end up getting can be very different things. Clearly he wanted to get the best possible situation for himself after the unfortunate injury during his contract year but at some point maybe he will realize the market isn't terribly good for point guards in general due to the depth at the position.

[Frank Lee]

^^^^^Frank

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I think we should just give up a protected pick for him. Unfortunately if we do, they will likely give Bledsoe the max, so I may have to rethink that.

He only has two more years and we won't have cap space anyway, and it's not like we spent $20 million or something on a FA ,so we will still have room under the tax to use our exceptions and stuff next year.

We only have a little more than $12 million in cap space according to this guy viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1317742 who seems pretty on top of it.

So the only way we could do it by avoiding them offering a max for Bledsoe, is agree to a deal with Bledsoe but not sign it until we trade for Ilyasova, and then immediately ink the Bledsoe deal. I'm not sure that would work.

If Bledsoe does get the max elsewhere we could do the deal immediately and then match it.

Unfortunately another team like Houston could probably trade for him too, allowing Milwaukee to offer Bledsoe the max, and we'd have to match AND miss out on Ilyasova.

I know Ilyasova is a guy some don't like, but he is probably tradeable next summer if he doesn't work out, because it will be the last year of his deal.

He he he

The Turk is taking hold


Look, so far not signing Bledsoe is favoring the house. He's the last guy we need to sign as his ticket isn't capped

(Insert pic of McDo rubbing his palms and chortling MWAH HA HA)




Seriously, tho he's not the chucker Frye is, as he has a much more rounded game, you still have to respect his range.....and he has never been on a team with so much talent and potential.

[bwgood77]

I just always had the vibe bledsoe wanted out when I saw his exit interview.
He's probably being a professional behind the scenes and both sides are trying to find common ground on a move that benefits both sides.

Could be wrong though

That wouldn't surprise me. He may want to be the guy who gets 20 an 10 and completely runs the show. But at this point I think only Milwaukee, Detroit or teams in a S&T. Though I guess Houston now has max cap room, so they could offer him the max. Not sure what we could get back in a S&T. Beverley, T Jones, and a future pick? They already traded this next year's pick, so it would have to be a 2017 pick.

It's just hard to find a team out there that has the assets to make it worth it for us....a team that needs a pg, unless we wanted to trade him for Rondo. As much as McD likes him, that could be a possibility, but they do have Smart too.

[Frank Lee]

I just always had the vibe bledsoe wanted out when I saw his exit interview.
He's probably being a professional behind the scenes and both sides are trying to find common ground on a move that benefits both sides.

Could be wrong though but in the interview he flat out avoided a question about coming back

Buns may have just buttered it

[NaturalBuns]

I just always had the vibe bledsoe wanted out when I saw his exit interview.
He's probably being a professional behind the scenes and both sides are trying to find common ground on a move that benefits both sides.

Could be wrong though

yeah, but what you want and what you end up getting can be very different things. Clearly he wanted to get the best possible situation for himself after the unfortunate injury during his contract year but at some point maybe he will realize the market isn't terribly good for point guards in general due to the depth at the position.

He could of passed on some offers that we just don't know about.
The interview just always gave me the wrong vibe.
The way he answered his question about coming back.. Just very 50/50 it felt.

[SSOL]

He will be back. There's a reason he hasn't met with anyone else.

[rsavaj]

Brian Windhorst is not a clever man.

[JTrain]

Did we officially let Ish go?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The Bucks could use a point guard. We have three! If Ersan were healthy, I'd have no trouble trading Ennis for him.

I know Kerrsed loves Henson. I know Suns fan are so busy riding Goran's jock they'd rather sell Bledsoe to the highest bidder. How about S&T Bledsoe for Henson, and Plumlee for Ilyasova? Given that Henson's shown his ass, I'd like a first round pick back, personally.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Ilyasova/Markieff
Henson/Len

I thought I would like it, but I just gagged a little. I want Bledsoe. I do this only if I get an unprotected first in the deal.

[JJ13]

Dominoes falling has turned into paint drying. Ray ray or traxxe, any updates?

[Kerrsed]

The Bucks could use a point guard. We have three! If Ersan were healthy, I'd have no trouble trading Ennis for him.

I know Kerrsed loves Henson. I know Suns fan are so busy riding Goran's jock they'd rather sell Bledsoe to the highest bidder. How about S&T Bledsoe for Henson, and Plumlee for Ilyasova? Given that Henson's shown his ass, I'd like a first round pick back, personally.

You have me confused. Im not in love with Henson, im in love with Terrence Williams. As far as Bucks players go, i have been advocating for Sanders for years (until MIL overpaid him). Now i would still love to get him in a Suns uniform, but much lesser now that his paycheck has increased.

I still think that his rebounding and defense could help us out alot, and he is still a youngster and will improve even more with time and guidance.

People will call me crazy (yes, i know they already do), but i would love to put out a line-up of:

Bledsoe/Green/Jsmooth/Love/Sanders

Every other spot is held down by a defender (Bledsoe/Smith/Sanders) and Green/Love can score buckets.

Defense wins championships, and you need a team with more defenders than offensive players.

[AtheJ415]

I would. Ennis may be a luxury, but we took him 18 in a very loaded draft. Pre-draft we never take Ilyasova for that. They are looking to dump him, so it shouldn't require Ennis to get him. More like Ish Smith.

The Bucks could use a point guard. We have three! If Ersan were healthy, I'd have no trouble trading Ennis for him.

I know Kerrsed loves Henson. I know Suns fan are so busy riding Goran's jock they'd rather sell Bledsoe to the highest bidder. How about S&T Bledsoe for Henson, and Plumlee for Ilyasova? Given that Henson's shown his ass, I'd like a first round pick back, personally.