Pistons to Release Peyton Siva

[BayAreaTreyArea]

bynum can make a shot, i bet that had alot to do with siva's release

[The Penguin]

I'm guessing Stan figures we have enough young players in Drummond, Monroe, KCP, Mitchell, Dinwiddie & Singler (in terms of experience).

[Laimbeer]

Eh. He has the potential to be a competent point, nothing more. We did need to clear out some roster spots.

[princeofpalace]

I don't mind Siva, but he cant shoot so he has no place on this roster. I wish him well. I think Bynum is the next to go.

[ImHeisenberg]

The writing was on the wall once Augustin was signed. There simply isn't enough minutes to go around, and it came down to the necessity of limited roster spots.

I'm not sure whether Siva will ever be an NBA player, but I was interested in seeing if he could next season. Maybe he'll catch on with another NBA team? I'd put his odds on signing with a Euro team though.

Good guy, great college player. I'm sure he'll find a way to continue earning a living at basketball somewhere.

Will Bynum- you're next!

[hoophabit]

Siva seems like a nice guy and is not a knucklehead, but he's a very mediocre talent. He doesn't do anything particularly well. He was a 56th pick for a reason. No surprise here, but I wish him well. If he could develop a consistent shot he might become a decent backup PG.

[Kilo]

Hopefully he catches on elsewhere, but that's far from guaranteed. We like him here because we drafted him and he's from all accounts a good guy, but his on-floor talent/skills are a dime a dozen really and I bet every team/camp as an equally skilled, undersized, no-shoot, all-heart point guard on their SL roster.

I do hope we sign him to Grand Rapids if he's not picked up elsewhere and doesn't want to go overseas.

[Kilo]

Jennings|Augustin|Bynum|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks
Singler|Butler|Martin|Datome
Monroe|Smith|Jerebko|Mitchell
Drummond|Gray

So by my figuring there is still one more cut that has to happen - when is the cut down deadline? Josh and Peyton were cut now because their contracts would become guaranteed and that is money wasted. But all the remaining contracts are guaranteed at this point so I guess whomever is cut their contract will have to be eaten. Mitchell is the obvious choice here.

[Liqourish]

Jennings|Augustin|Bynum|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks
Singler|Butler|Martin|Datome
Monroe|Smith|Jerebko|Mitchell
Drummond|Gray

So by my figuring there is still one more cut that has to happen - when is the cut down deadline? Josh and Peyton were cut now because their contracts would become guaranteed and that is money wasted. But all the remaining contracts are guaranteed at this point so I guess whomever is cut their contract will have to be eaten. Mitchell is the obvious choice here.

Did they sign Dinwiddie? IIRC, he was a second round pick, so no gauranteed contract. I believe they can stash him somewhere and hold his rights until he's ready to play. And it wouldn't count against our roster.

[Kilo]

Jennings|Augustin|Bynum|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks
Singler|Butler|Martin|Datome
Monroe|Smith|Jerebko|Mitchell
Drummond|Gray

So by my figuring there is still one more cut that has to happen - when is the cut down deadline? Josh and Peyton were cut now because their contracts would become guaranteed and that is money wasted. But all the remaining contracts are guaranteed at this point so I guess whomever is cut their contract will have to be eaten. Mitchell is the obvious choice here.

Did they sign Dinwiddie? IIRC, he was a second round pick, so no gauranteed contract. I believe they can stash him somewhere and hold his rights until he's ready to play. And it wouldn't count against our roster.

Would the kid have a choice in the matter? I'm sure he'd like getting five figure pay checks right about now rather than sitting on the sidelines rehabbing and not getting paid. Is there a sign by date for second rounders? Can he force them to sign him or release his rights?

[dVs33]

that sucks.
Siva deserves a chance somewhere. i wish we moved Bynum earlier. Jennings, DJ and Bynum are scoring PG. Siva can at least run an offense.

[wallsfamily]

The issue was guaranteed money but a bigger issue is the fact that only one guard on the roster was concerned about getting the bigs shots with KCP and Meeks their needs to be a point guard who finds people. Finally the issue with the Pistons other than shot selection was perimeter defense. With the clear rebounding advantage that Pistons have 90% of the time 2-5 steals a night would have won @ least 6-10 more games and that is the playoffs. Siva is a ball hawk who also runs the break well and with Josh KCP and Drummond that is how the team should play!!!! But hey two point guards will shoot 25 times a game @ 40%.

[joseph mamah]

It would have been nice to have at least one PG on the roster that could play a little defense. Oh well, its just Gores being Gores.

[Liqourish]

Jennings|Augustin|Bynum|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks
Singler|Butler|Martin|Datome
Monroe|Smith|Jerebko|Mitchell
Drummond|Gray

So by my figuring there is still one more cut that has to happen - when is the cut down deadline? Josh and Peyton were cut now because their contracts would become guaranteed and that is money wasted. But all the remaining contracts are guaranteed at this point so I guess whomever is cut their contract will have to be eaten. Mitchell is the obvious choice here.

Did they sign Dinwiddie? IIRC, he was a second round pick, so no gauranteed contract. I believe they can stash him somewhere and hold his rights until he's ready to play. And it wouldn't count against our roster.

Would the kid have a choice in the matter? I'm sure he'd like getting five figure pay checks right about now rather than sitting on the sidelines rehabbing and not getting paid. Is there a sign by date for second rounders? Can he force them to sign him or release his rights?

Apparently, the kid doesn't have much say in the matter.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q50

50. What about second round draft picks? What rules do they operate under?

Unlike first round picks, who have a scale salary (see question number 49), second round picks do not have any specific salary restrictions. They may sign for any amount from the minimum to the maximum, but players who last to the second round of the draft seldom command more than the minimum salary.

Also unlike first round picks, teams do not receive a salary cap exception specifically for their second round picks. These players must be signed using cap room or an available exception (see question number 25), such as the Minimum Salary exception or the Mid-Level exception. It is most common for a second round pick to receive the minimum salary and be signed using the Minimum Salary exception. However, since the Minimum Salary exception limits contracts to two seasons, it is not uncommon for teams to use a portion of their Mid-Level exception in order to sign the player for three seasons. This gives the team full Bird rights at the end of the contract, and avoids the Gilbert Arenas provision (see question number 45).

Unsigned second round draft picks do not have a cap hold.

51. What if the team and their drafted player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights?

The player's options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors:

If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.

If the player goes on to play college ball after he was drafted, then the team retains the player's draft rights until one year following the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2012 and he returns to college and plays intercollegiate basketball, then they retain his draft rights until the 2015 draft. Note that the NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player currently cannot return or go on to play college ball. This rule exists in the CBA in the event the NCAA rules ever change.

If the player was eligible to play in college before he was drafted but does not go on to play college basketball, then the team retains the player's draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not declared early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2012 and he does not return to college and play intercollegiate basketball, they retain his draft rights until the 2014 draft.

For all other players, the team retains the player's draft rights until the date of the next draft.
In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn't sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent on the date of the following draft.

When a team signs a first round draft pick within three years after he is drafted, they use the salary scale for the year in which he signs (usually the player signs in the same year he is drafted). After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him as if he was a free agent -- using their cap room or any available exception, with the standard raises. They can only do the latter if the player did not play intercollegiately in the interim. Such a contract must be for at least three seasons, and the salary in the first season must be greater than 120% of the applicable rookie scale amount.

Unless I've missed something, Dinwiddie can't physically play right now due to injury. So the Pistons could just hold his rights for a year and then sign him before the next draft. Or after the trade deadline, if I trade were to take place that leaves a roster spot open.

In thoery, they don't have to make another move until they sign Dinwiddie.

[Billl]

Not sure why anyone was surprised by this. SVG went out and signed a bunch of shooters. Siva might work hard, but he's obviously not capable of giving what the coach is looking for from the position.

[Q00]

Jennings|Augustin|Bynum|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks
Singler|Butler|Martin|Datome
Monroe|Smith|Jerebko|Mitchell
Drummond|Gray

That's basically the same starting lineup as last year that won 29 game though, but with a downgrade at SF. I think SVG is going to mix up that lineup because he wants shooting around Drummond, and Jennings/KCP showed they aren't consistent enough 3pt shooters, Monroe is a non-shooter, and Singler can only shoot 3s for the corner.

I don't know what's going to happen with Monroe, but I think Meeks is going to start, and I wouldn't be surprised if Augustin won the starting PG job over Jennings either, simply because he's a better defender and more consistent 3pt shooter.

So I'm thinking something more like this:

Augustin/Jennings/Dinwiddie
Meeks/Singler
Pope/Butler/Martin/Datome
???/Smith/Jerebko
Drummond/Gray

(I think Bynum gets traded too)