The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Kerrsed]

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[gaspar]

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[Revived]

Goran is like manu Ginobli except better form on his jumper I hate the Nash comparison. Goran has potential to be a better playoff pg than Nash.

But Nash is better than goran.

Yea just like Wiggins has the potential to be better than Michael Jordan

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...

Someone with the balls to say it. Good for you.

I'd been fighting that battle alone for days, friend. Taken a lot of hate for it too.

[DragonBladeSuns]

My bad that was dumb. Goran hustles and scraps better than Nash so for defense Dragic would be better but Nash's talent is better regardless.

[DragonBladeSuns]

Damian Lillard is overrated. Nice game winner but his shot was all over the place. Goran should of made it over him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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What would you pay Ed Davis? I'd love to get him on a three-year, $14m deal.

[Kerrsed]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

[KLEON]

What about Linas Kleiza ? Always thought he would be a great fit here.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

That's interesting. Who do you think would be cheaper - him or Ily?

As for who would be better for us, so much turns on the character of the players, whether their injuries are lasting, etc. Either would be great if healthy and psychologically sound. If both were in top form, I'd take Ily because of the rebounding, but I wonder why he's been so inconsistent.

[bwgood77]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.

I'm shocked that we are even thinking Dragic is close to a 20 million dollar a year contract after 1 good season.

Dragic is worth 12-14 max in my books... If everyone gets max contract based on one good season... There would be 50-60 players on 15+ million a year contracts...

Some suns fans really overrate Dragic...
Until he can repeate what he did last season and helps suns get to the playoffs... I wouldn't dream of giving him over 12 million... Maybe Wolves may give him close to 14 if they trade for him.. Purely because no one wants to play there.

Oh, I don't think he's worth that. As I mentioned in my other earlier longer post (about the way to go after Love next summer in free agency), I think he's worth about 12 (same as Bledsoe). I was just saying I don't think he'd commit to Minnesota long term in a trade unless they told him they'd give him the max. Why not enter free agency next summer instead and see what people will offer? It's in his best interest to do so. No reason at all to commit anywhere this early unless he was assured a max.

[Qwigglez]

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What would you pay Ed Davis? I'd love to get him on a three-year, $14m deal.

I was thinking 3 years 13.5mil is plenty fair, but the extra 500k isn't that big a deal.

I don't think he chooses Clippers if we're still interested in him mostly because he won't get quality minutes behind Griffin and Jordan, and he will mostly be a role player in spot minutes. On our team he has the potential to be a starter, and would be utilized more. Though at the end of the day I wouldn't cry over Ed Davis if he chose the Clippers over us.

[bwgood77]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

That's interesting. Who do you think would be cheaper - him or Ily?

As for who would be better for us, so much turns on the character of the players, whether their injuries are lasting, etc. Either would be great if healthy and psychologically sound. If both were in top form, I'd take Ily because of the rebounding, but I wonder why he's been so inconsistent.

Cheaper in a trade or contract wise? Ily would be cheaper on both fronts I think, unless Denver just wants to unload Gallinari. Gallinari makes more money though. He has the some of the same weaknesses as Frye (not a good rebounder..though I'm not sure about his D).

If he was healthy (and approved by our medical staff) it wouldn't be bad, if we just figured we might as well spend our cap space (by trading a pick for him) before re-signing Bledsoe, but the contract isn't that good ($22 million over the next two years).

Probably better to just roll with the twins though given the contract, injuries, etc. Kieff is all around a better player, Mook may take a big step this year and already shoots the 3 about as well as Gallinari.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

That's interesting. Who do you think would be cheaper - him or Ily?

As for who would be better for us, so much turns on the character of the players, whether their injuries are lasting, etc. Either would be great if healthy and psychologically sound. If both were in top form, I'd take Ily because of the rebounding, but I wonder why he's been so inconsistent.

Cheaper in a trade or contract wise? Ily would be cheaper on both fronts I think, unless Denver just wants to unload Gallinari. Gallinari makes more money though. He has the some of the same weaknesses as Frye (not a good rebounder..though I'm not sure about his D).

If he was healthy (and approved by our medical staff) it wouldn't be bad, if we just figured we might as well spend our cap space (by trading a pick for him) before re-signing Bledsoe, but the contract isn't that good ($22 million over the next two years).

Probably better to just roll with the twins though given the contract, injuries, etc. Kieff is all around a better player, Mook may take a big step this year and already shoots the 3 about as well as Gallinari.

Very good points. Sometimes I unreasonably count Mook out. It's good for team morale if he plays, I think. I didn't realize Gallo made that much: no thanks.

Someone else mentioned possibly starting Marcus at 4 over Kieff. I actually like Marcus more next to Len than Plumlee because Alex is a better rim protector. I also think the back-ups probably need more "stretching" than the starters though because TJ and Goodwin aren't very good from deep, while our starters are solid distance shooters 1-3.

One thing though - I really don't like it when the Morrises play together. People talk about their "connection," well, what I saw is that they really couldn't see the other players on the floor when they were both out there. I'd be happier seeing Mook back up his brother.

[sunsbum]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

[BobbieL]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

That's interesting. Who do you think would be cheaper - him or Ily?

As for who would be better for us, so much turns on the character of the players, whether their injuries are lasting, etc. Either would be great if healthy and psychologically sound. If both were in top form, I'd take Ily because of the rebounding, but I wonder why he's been so inconsistent.

Cheaper in a trade or contract wise? Ily would be cheaper on both fronts I think, unless Denver just wants to unload Gallinari. Gallinari makes more money though. He has the some of the same weaknesses as Frye (not a good rebounder..though I'm not sure about his D).

If he was healthy (and approved by our medical staff) it wouldn't be bad, if we just figured we might as well spend our cap space (by trading a pick for him) before re-signing Bledsoe, but the contract isn't that good ($22 million over the next two years).

Probably better to just roll with the twins though given the contract, injuries, etc. Kieff is all around a better player, Mook may take a big step this year and already shoots the 3 about as well as Gallinari.

At this point - I cannot think of a player that is a free agent that I would jack my cap up in the future over with more than a one year deal. Even Ed Davis at only 4m per year. I would rather give him a one year 7m deal to keep cap space

The Suns have a few free agents next summer - and yes, they can go over the cap with all of them. But why add 4m that might be getting you close to the lux tax.

For me, unless there is a player I don't know about, one year deals all around for roster filler.

[Revived]

For all those clamoring about us needing a stretch 4, what about trying to obtain Gallinari? He's coming back from a knee injury, but im sure he could be gotten from Denver pretty easy, and when healthy could put up some amazing stats.

Hasn't been injured like every single season?

[BobbieL]

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I think its time for the Suns to step up - make a nice offer of 4 years, 50m (I think he is better than Lowery) and see what Bledsoe does

Don't lowball him - give him good value.

It will show other players that Phoenix takes care of its own.

[Phystic]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

Probably because he has had ONE season anywhere near that performance? Before that? His best season was 14.7ppg on 44% and 32%. So, ya he's very good. And I hope he can repeat it but some of you are overrating Dragic in thinking he is essentially untradeable and worth max level money.

How would it be a terrible basketball decision? Sure if we traded him for Anthony Randolph or something stupid like that. But if we were to trade him for Kevin Love or a similarly impactful player? It's foolish to think Dragic is untouchable.

[Sreister]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg?

Because he has only done it for 1 year. I'm not saying he CAN'T do it again, but I want proof before we max him out, or even give him 15 per. Kudos for Goran and the Suns! I love the kid! But to pay him like an allstar, we need to see that he can be an allstar for all the years we are going to pay him.

You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly.

No, sir, YOU look silly with the way you are presenting yourself.

That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you.

You think I care about numbers? How many people thought the Nash signing was stupid back when it happened? Everyone but a few. Hell if you want to go down the numbers path, how many people thought women were less than men before the civil rights movement? You could go on for days how just because you are minority, doesn't make you wrong.

Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality.

Agreed. I am rooting for him through and through. I WANT him to be a perennial allstar for us. But that's something that is an unknown. Love, assuming he would sign long term with us, is a known (and locked up if he signed) allstar for years to come.

He's basically the new age Steve Nash.

Yeah...basically.

It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him.

You act like we want peanuts for him. I don't want to ditch him for something less than what he is! Just because we mention a trade, doesn't mean I don't want less than the value I think he's worth. You make such annoying and ridiculous accusations.

Which is why we won't.

Never say never. Well..I guess you didn't. But you know what I mean.

He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

I want him here too! But not at an allstar price if he doesn't continue on as an allstar. How many players LOOKED like an allstar, got paid, and went to the crapper? JJ comes to mind. Sure he was good, but was a god awful contract for so many years! I'm looking out for the best interest for my team! And I'm not going to be a homer in doing it.