The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Sunsdeuce]

Maybe the suns can use Brittany griner.


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[Cutter]

You mean just absorb his salary and send out a 2nd round pick or something? I guess we could, but all along I've been saying I'd never accept the GS offer because the Lee contract has negative value and Barnes sucked last year.

Lee helps us with rebounding but that is it. The whole point GS wants to trade for Love is because they want a stretch 4 which is what we REALLY need moreso than GS even, because their guards are MUCH better shooters than ours.

I might be swimming against the current on this, but I'm moving away from supporting the whole stretch 4 concept. It looks great on paper, and stats seem to suggest that it is the way to go, but the Suns have had very poor success when using a stretch 4. Since Frye became our stretch 4 in 2010 Sums haven't been to the playoffs one time (4 years). There are many reasons besides Frye we didn't make the playoffs, but regardless the stretch 4 concept didn't work in Phoenix.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think though. McD seems to be totally on board with the Stretch 4 concept so the matter is pretty much closed.

Lol your lucky Los Soles didn't see this post otherwise he'd roast you

I agree. I'd be a crispy critter if he reads my post . However, I feel when he defends Frye, he is defending a low bar performance wise. It's not like the system we have been running the last few years has allowed us to make deep playoff runs and we need to stay the course. When defending Frye being in the line up he is defending a system that hasn't gotten results. And whether in business or sports, results are all that matter.

But at the end of the day Los Soles is a really good poster and I wish he posted more often.

[bwgood77]

I actually asked Bucks fans about Ilyasova on their board. They are pretty cool about it all, even when discussing Bledsoe, so if you visit this thread, try not to be an ass. I hate it when our fans our being dicks to other team's fans...unless of course they are a holes first

As I posted before, I think the twins may be able to compensate for what Frye provided but that remains to be seen.

There was one crazy trade idea, but remember many people here make crazy trade ideas all the time that other team's fans are dicks about.

Anyway, here is the thread and what THEY think of Ilyasova if you care to read. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1335757&p=40667784#p40667784

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I might be swimming against the current on this, but I'm moving away from supporting the whole stretch 4 concept. It looks great on paper, and stats seem to suggest that it is the way to go, but the Suns have had very poor success when using a stretch 4. Since Frye became our stretch 4 in 2010 Sums haven't been to the playoffs one time (4 years). There are many reasons besides Frye we didn't make the playoffs, but regardless the stretch 4 concept didn't work in Phoenix.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think though. McD seems to be totally on board with the Stretch 4 concept so the matter is pretty much closed.

Lol your lucky Los Soles didn't see this post otherwise he'd roast you

I agree. I'd be a crispy critter if he reads my post . However, I feel when he defends Frye, he is defending a low bar performance wise. It's not like the system we have been running the last few years has allowed us to make deep playoff runs and we need to stay the course. When defending Frye being in the line up he is defending a system that hasn't gotten results. And whether in business or sports, results are all that matter.

But at the end of the day Los Soles is a really good poster and I wish he posted more often.

Los Soles is a good poster and he doesn't talk out of his ass (like I often do) and he has stuff to back what he says but at some point, I just don't think stats of any kind are enough to warrant someone's play when its clear that you can see in games how much he struggles.

As for the underlined, if you told him that he's gonna show you that Frye and Dragic were the best duo in the NBA last year. Or that Frye was top 10 in the NBA in terms of value to their team and that Frye is the most valuable Suns player.But see that's why I think stats can often be misleading.

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Maybe the suns can use Brittany griner.


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I want to see her set some mean screens on Duncan.

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Just out of curiosity, I know we're full of SFs right now anyway so it won't happen but would you guys be ok with trading and bringing Dudley back to the desert if it meant that we also got a future 1st from the Clippers?

Of course the pick from the Clippers would be similar to the Pacers pick we got this past year but still.

[bwgood77]

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Yeah, don't know that you build a team "outside in" is a smart move. Almost have to reword what he wrote. Should probably say, "go small and go home." Don't know any contending team that is built to play small ball, I mean really really small ball like what he is saying the suns are going to do.

Think what I am saying is, if I had to build a team I would start with the "bigs" before I move to getting the small players.

This upcoming season is really scary. Regardless of the success of last year, still think this team is unknown. Could be a success or a disappointment. As things Stand now, I think without any bigs, this team is going to disappoint a few of you guys. Basically I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

Basically, if you have a stretch four, ideally you have a big in the middle who can defend, guard the rim, and get rebounds at a high rate....without that...it won't be nearly as effective. There is a good reason Houston and GS really would like a stretch four with Howard and hopefully (for GS's sake) Bogut.

[matt131]

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I personally wish it wasn't true, but this is a real possibility from what I hear. Ugh.

Dang, that'd be pretty horrible. That trade would make it seem like we do not trust Bledsoe's health. I would rather just sign him to a max contract.

[JTrain]

Being a fanboy is great. Rooting for the clothes is alright but cloth just isn't that emotionally interesting.

[JTrain]

...no right to call themselves a Suns fan.

Oh that is just the worst.

[Puff]

Puff, what exactly are you talking about? How do WE end up with David Lee in a Minnesota/GS trade?

Couldn't we just absorb his salary due to the amount of cap space we have?

If Love is off the table, I'm not opposed to getting David Lee. Not thrilled, but not opposed.

You mean just absorb his salary and send out a 2nd round pick or something? I guess we could, but all along I've been saying I'd never accept the GS offer because the Lee contract has negative value and Barnes sucked last year.

Lee helps us with rebounding but that is it. The whole point GS wants to trade for Love is because they want a stretch 4 which is what we REALLY need moreso than GS even, because their guards are MUCH better shooters than ours.

This what I have in mind assuming that Minnesota does not want Lee.

Minnesota Out (27.1)

KLove 15.8
KMart 6.8
Barea 4.5
Total = 27.1

Golden State Out (24.8)
Lee 15.2
Thompson 3.0
Speights 3.7
Barnes 3.0
Draft Picks

Phoenix Out
Ennis
Draft Picks

Phoenix in (15.2)
Lee 15.2

Golden State In (27.1)
KLove
KMart
Barea

Minnesota In (9.70

Thompson 3.0
Speights 3.7
Barnes 3.0
Ennis
Several Draft Picks.

Minnesota gets Thompson, Barnes and Ennis along with a bunch of draft picks rather than losing KLove for nothing. They also free up money, while dumping two bad contracts, for the upcoming max contract to Rubio. Rubio also gets some quality playmakers at the wings that should make him better.

Golden State gets their man in KLove and we get a stop gap PF in David Lee to fill out the roster until another better opportunity arises or the Morris Brothers prove worthy of keeping long term. If another opportunity does arise we still have assets to make another deal down the road.

I understand the concern about not having a stretch 4, but what 4 is available that we can get that is better than Lee?

I definitely would not include the Laker picks in this deal. I have hope than that pick could ultimately get us that Young PF we really need.

I like Lee and think that he would be great with our team at this time. We need rebounds as badly as we need 3 pointers. He has had various injuries in the past couple of years and that is a concern. I would take the advice of our medical staff prior to making this deal.

The concern for 3 pointers is real, that is why I would be concerned if we trade Green, to anyone.

I doubt it has a chance of happening but who knows.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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I personally wish it wasn't true, but this is a real possibility from what I hear. Ugh.

Dang, that'd be pretty horrible. That trade would make it seem like we do not trust Bledsoe's health. I would rather just sign him to a max contract.

Yeah, I was thinking it would have to be his health. I'd still want a pick - make that, the right to exchange picks

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff/Ilyasova
Plumlee/Len/Henson

Well, it's balanced. And it's cheaper. But it's worse.

[lilfishi22]

Ersan is a perfect fit here in Phoenix but I have a hard time letting Bledsoe go for a package that's built around Ersan Ilyasova as the centrepiece. I just think we can get more for a guy that averaged close to 18/5/5 on 48% shooting.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[gaspar]

I personally wish it wasn't true, but this is a real possibility from what I hear. Ugh.

Dang, that'd be pretty horrible. That trade would make it seem like we do not trust Bledsoe's health. I would rather just sign him to a max contract.

Yeah, I was thinking it would have to be his health. I'd still want a pick - make that, the right to exchange picks

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff/Ilyasova
Plumlee/Len/Henson

Well, it's balanced. And it's cheaper. But it's worse.

I don't want Ilyasova and Henson for free and the Bucks pick wouldn't be that valuable. Milwaukee with Bledsoe, Parker, healthy Sanders, Delfino and Zaza are a playoff team in the East IMO.

[bwgood77]

Ersan is a perfect fit here in Phoenix but I have a hard time letting Bledsoe go for a package that's built around Ersan Ilyasova as the centrepiece. I just think we can get more for a guy that averaged close to 18/5/5 on 48% shooting.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Well one guy on their board said he'd be happy getting Ennis. Would you trade Ennis for Ilyasova? They are pretty young...younger than us for the most part, so they would be ok....or even Green and Ennis. I wouldn't really want to part with Green though, but it would give more time to Archie and Thomas.

Of course if we did that before locking up Bledsoe, it would allow them to offer the max, so I wouldn't do it unless we locked up Bledsoe for a reasonable salary.

[lilfishi22]

Ersan is a perfect fit here in Phoenix but I have a hard time letting Bledsoe go for a package that's built around Ersan Ilyasova as the centrepiece. I just think we can get more for a guy that averaged close to 18/5/5 on 48% shooting.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Well one guy on their board said he'd be happy getting Ennis. Would you trade Ennis for Ilyasova? They are pretty young...younger than us for the most part, so they would be ok....or even Green and Ennis. I wouldn't really want to part with Green though, but it would give more time to Archie and Thomas.

Considering the surplus of PG's and a deficit of PF's, this is a perfect trade.

His salary on the other hand....That's Channing "Overpaid" Frye money. I don't see our FO going for it if they let Frye go for that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Dang, that'd be pretty horrible. That trade would make it seem like we do not trust Bledsoe's health. I would rather just sign him to a max contract.

Yeah, I was thinking it would have to be his health. I'd still want a pick - make that, the right to exchange picks

Dragic/Thomas/Ennis
Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff/Ilyasova
Plumlee/Len/Henson

Well, it's balanced. And it's cheaper. But it's worse.

I don't want Ilyasova and Henson for free and the Bucks pick wouldn't be that valuable. Milwaukee with Bledsoe, Parker, healthy Sanders, Delfino and Zaza are a playoff team in the East IMO.

I don't think that's a playoff team, even in the east. But you're right not to be interested.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I like Ennis. Please don't trade him for an old guy... unless there's a right to exchange picks involved!!!

Tyler is kinda Kidd-like... just not the rebounded Kidd was. But then again, it was really the rebounding that made Jason what he was.

[lilfishi22]

I like Ennis. Please don't trade him for an old guy... unless there's a right to exchange picks involved!!!

Tyler is kinda Kidd-like... just not the rebounded Kidd was. But then again, it was really the rebounding that made Jason what he was.

Ilya isn't old, he's only just turned 27. You could argue any PG with good PG skills and no shooting is kind "Kidd-like".

[bwgood77]

My guess is that McDonough is offering Bledsoe 4/44 and floating out a potential S&T with Milwaukee, making Bledsoe think twice of taking that offer and then McDonough will ultimately go 4/48 and at that point Bledsoe will be happy to accept. At least that's what I'd do considering the limited market for Bledsoe.