Trade Ideas - Part 2

[CavsKSU25]

Get the sense, especially with renewed MN/GS buzz that Love/Wiggins happens, in the end.

That's not the sense anyone else gets outside of Minnesota. hmm I wonder why, could be the delusional fan base

I think both fan bases are saying the same thing, and I'm not coming here to be confrontational. I hope a deal gets done for both sides. I've seen Kevin Love for a bunch of years now. Awesome, awesome player, but he got screwed by former GM David Kahn. 26/12 guy who hit 190 3 pointers last year, that has NEVER happened. You guys would be instant title contenders and he's only 25, so you could be for 5+ years.

we will title contenders for 5+ with Wiggins as well.

[Temuhjan]

How about we trade Varejao and Waiters to Brooklyn for Kevin Garnett. That way, not only do we gain a rim protector and a locker room leader with championship experience in KG, but we also get $4m under the cap to snatch Kevin Seraphin from Washington.

We will then add Mo Williams on veteran's minimum and preserve Brendan Haywood and his balloon contract for a future transaction. We will miss Waiters and his J though.

PG - Irving / Mo Williams (vet's min)
SG - Wiggins / Dellavedova / Felix
SF - James / Miller / Harris
PF - Bennett / Thompson / Powell
C - Kevin Garnett / Kevin Seraphin / Haywood

[gflem]

Can't happen he's a RFA. The Cavs can't tender the offer sheet as they are already capped out. So unless no other team tenders an offer sheet, and Monroe agrees to a number that Detroit agrees to pay him, then it isn't happening. Even if no one else tenders and offer sheet and he signs with Detroit, I don't believe he can be traded immediately

it absolutely could happen, a S&T can happen under any circumstance in the NBA

It can't happen under any circumstances. Particularly with RFA. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91 See question 91. As soon as Monroe signs an offer sheet with another team, he can only be traded to the team that tenders the offer. The Cavs can't tender an offer that would take them above the cap.

Now, it is theoretically possible that Monroe won't receive an offer, will agree on a number with the Cavs, and Detroit will then agree to sign him to that number and trade him to the Cavs, but that seems unlikely to say the least.

Hey KSU, look, you were wrong, got corrected and nobody called you a liar or an arrogant prick. Its so much better if we keep if friendly between board regulars. Outsiders that come here to tell us how it is, as in "no Wiggins no deal" or whatever are fair game, but BMac has been here for a long time and is well respected by most everyone as far as I can tell. His info is usually reliable, but like the rest of us, is wrong from time to time. I am sure he doesn't want me getting his back, but to me he is a good mod and regular here.

[bballisgood]

I think both fan bases are saying the same thing, and I'm not coming here to be confrontational. I hope a deal gets done for both sides. I've seen Kevin Love for a bunch of years now. Awesome, awesome player, but he got screwed by former GM David Kahn. 26/12 guy who hit 190 3 pointers last year, that has NEVER happened. You guys would be instant title contenders and he's only 25, so you could be for 5+ years.

Why do people keep saying this? Let's say Cavs trade Wiggins + TT + (i think they still need some salary filler here) for Love. People say they just need to sign a defensive center to play next to Love, which is true, but it's almost impossible to find a defensive center that can play starter minutes. With only minimum contracts to offer, it is completely impossible for the Cavs to sign a defensive center that can play starter minutes this offseason. They also would be hard pressed to add more quality wing depth at this point.

Given all that, how exactly does the Cavs defense work? Imagine this potential finals match up:

T. Parker v K Irving
Manu v Waiters
Kawhi v Bron
Duncan v Love
Splitter v AV (or Haywood/Bennett if AV injured)

Bron can't guard all three of those perimeter guys by himself. What if they went small?

T. Parker v K Irving
Manu v Waiters
Green v Miller
Leonard v Bron
Duncan v Love

The Cavs wouldn't have any quality depth on the wing that would allow them to go small for extended periods. SA would score at will with either of those line ups.

I just don't see a Wiggins + another rotation player for Love trade making the Cavs serious contenders in year 1. In fact, I could see way more scenarios for the Cavs winning titles in the next 5 years without the Wiggins/Love trade than with it, and beyond that time horizon even the wolves fans have to admit it would be better to keep the young talent. As a somewhat optimistic scenario, the Cavs could use their MLE next offseason to sign a defensive center, and then the MLE the year after (it would probably only be the taxpayer MLE at that point) to sign a defensive wing. That means year 3, if all falls into place, they could field a legit, title contending defense.

If K Love was 2007 KG and could anchor a defense, then trading for him makes the Cavs instant title contenders, but he is not.

[CavsKSU25]

DP

[CavsKSU25]

How about we trade Varejao and Waiters to Brooklyn for Kevin Garnett. That way, not only do we gain a rim protector and a locker room leader with championship experience in KG, but we also get $4m under the cap to snatch Kevin Seraphin from Washington.

We will then add Mo Williams on veteran's minimum and preserve Brendan Haywood and his balloon contract for a future transaction. We will miss Waiters and his J though.

PG - Irving / Mo Williams (vet's min)
SG - Wiggins / Dellavedova / Felix
SF - James / Miller / Harris
PF - Bennett / Thompson / Powell
C - Kevin Garnett / Kevin Seraphin / Haywood

Because the Cavs get raped in that deal. Waiters for 1 year of Garnett? PLUS Varajeo? Hell No.

[Temuhjan]

How about we trade Varejao and Waiters to Brooklyn for Kevin Garnett. That way, not only do we gain a rim protector and a locker room leader with championship experience in KG, but we also get $4m under the cap to snatch Kevin Seraphin from Washington.

We will then add Mo Williams on veteran's minimum and preserve Brendan Haywood and his balloon contract for a future transaction. We will miss Waiters and his J though.

PG - Irving / Mo Williams (vet's min)
SG - Wiggins / Dellavedova / Felix
SF - James / Miller / Harris
PF - Bennett / Thompson / Powell
C - Kevin Garnett / Kevin Seraphin / Haywood

Because the Cavs get raped in that deal. Waiters for 1 year of Garnett? PLUS Varajeo? Hell No.

If 1 year of KG brings us 1 championship, then I do not see why not.

You also have to take into account the fact Wiggins has taken over the starting SG job from Waiters and that there have been too much bad blood between Waiter and Irving.

Besides, you really need to check out this cat Seraphin. He is a freak!

And if you really like Varejao, you will be happy to learn Brooklyn will probably cut Varejao loose after the trade. So, we can re-sign the Brazilian if we want to.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

cavaliers don't have place for another 42, sorry, the numbers retired, have a good day.

[Merc_Porto]

I think is quite obvious that Minnesota are not going to give Love to Cleveland without Wiggins (Thank GOD - from a prespective of Minnesota)

And Cleveland will not give Wiggins for K.Love in a deal.

Who has the leverage between this 2 teams ? Nobody IMO.
Minnesota has no leverage because Love is in hes final year of contract, and needs to trade him or we can losing him fo nothing.

Cleveland has no leverage because if they dont trade for K.Love, K.Love 'will never go to Cleveland in free agency, because he wants the Lakers, and lets face, if is not the Lakers, he is going to the Knicks or Warriors, Boston, Chicago before Cleveland.
And if you want play the game of free agency with K.Love, you cant either, because you guys cant offer $$$$$$ in FA, when you have Irving, Lebron, Wiggins. Only if you trade for him.

If you beleive you can win tittles right now with Wiggins and Lebron, keep him (Wiggins).

So lets move on, both parts.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

I think is quite obvious that Minnesota are not going to give Love to Cleveland without Wiggins (Thank GOD - from a prespective of Minnesota)

And Cleveland will not give Wiggins for K.Love in a deal.

Who has the leverage between this 2 teams ? Nobody IMO.
Minnesota has no leverage because Love is in hes final year of contract, and needs to trade him or we can losing him fo nothing.

Cleveland has no leverage because if they dont trade for K.Love, K.Love 'will never go to Cleveland in free agency, because he wants the Lakers, and lets face, if is not the Lakers, he is going to the Knicks or Warriors, Boston, Chicago before Cleveland.
And if you want play the game of free agency with K.Love, you cant either, because you guys cant offer $$$$$$ in FA, when you have Irving, Lebron, Wiggins. Only if you trade for him.

If you beleive you can win tittles right now with Wiggins and Lebron, keep him (Wiggins).

So lets move on, both parts.

I think it's more because of the whole cap thing but yea ok

[OhioGuy216]

I think is quite obvious that Minnesota are not going to give Love to Cleveland without Wiggins (Thank GOD - from a prespective of Minnesota)

And Cleveland will not give Wiggins for K.Love in a deal.

Who has the leverage between this 2 teams ? Nobody IMO.
Minnesota has no leverage because Love is in hes final year of contract, and needs to trade him or we can losing him fo nothing.

Cleveland has no leverage because if they dont trade for K.Love, K.Love 'will never go to Cleveland in free agency, because he wants the Lakers, and lets face, if is not the Lakers, he is going to the Knicks or Warriors, Boston, Chicago before Cleveland.
And if you want play the game of free agency with K.Love, you cant either, because you guys cant offer $$$$$$ in FA, when you have Irving, Lebron, Wiggins. Only if you trade for him.

If you beleive you can win tittles right now with Wiggins and Lebron, keep him (Wiggins).

So lets move on, both parts.

Leverage doesn't work like that.

Minnesota has a landmine waiting to blow up because Love isn't coming back. Now they can sit on him and hope he changes his mind (world knows he wont) or they can trade him while he is at the peak of his value, which is right now. The closer it gets to the trading deadline this year the less he will be worth.

If I were the Wolves GM, i'd be playing Cleveland against Golden State and trying to maximize my offer. Which, oddly enough, is exactly what he is doing.

Cleveland has value, his name is Lebron James. And trust me there are no shortage of pending free agents next year that would jump at the chance to play with him.

[Merc_Porto]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

[OsuCavsfan103]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

Here is an issue you keep forgetting. Kevin Love wants to be on a playoff team. Boston is not a playoff team. So if they try to trade him there he could simply tell Boston he is not re-signing long-term and you can forget that deal. GS and CLE are playoff teams Love would play for, so that's why both teams have leverage over Minnesota.

[OhioGuy216]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

Waiters is going to be a borderline all-star in the right system, Thompson....I just can't figure that damn guy out. Who you really want is Bennett, I think he's got it figured out now.

[Merc_Porto]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

Here is an issue you keep forgetting. Kevin Love wants to be on a playoff team. Boston is not a playoff team. So if they try to trade him there he could simply tell Boston he is not re-signing long-term and you can forget that deal. GS and CLE are playoff teams Love would play for, so that's why both teams have leverage over Minnesota.

You are forgetting something too, Boston with Love is playoff team and they have a lot of draft picks, and expiring contracts. And by the way, if you think the visit of Kevin Love to Boston was only vacations you are wrong, and why he doesnt want to go to Boston ? the most successful franchise in the NBA. With Danny Ainge.

[CavsKSU25]

How about we trade Varejao and Waiters to Brooklyn for Kevin Garnett. That way, not only do we gain a rim protector and a locker room leader with championship experience in KG, but we also get $4m under the cap to snatch Kevin Seraphin from Washington.

We will then add Mo Williams on veteran's minimum and preserve Brendan Haywood and his balloon contract for a future transaction. We will miss Waiters and his J though.

PG - Irving / Mo Williams (vet's min)
SG - Wiggins / Dellavedova / Felix
SF - James / Miller / Harris
PF - Bennett / Thompson / Powell
C - Kevin Garnett / Kevin Seraphin / Haywood

Because the Cavs get raped in that deal. Waiters for 1 year of Garnett? PLUS Varajeo? Hell No.

If 1 year of KG brings us 1 championship, then I do not see why not.

You also have to take into account the fact Wiggins has taken over the starting SG job from Waiters and that there have been too much bad blood between Waiter and Irving.

Besides, you really need to check out this cat Seraphin. He is a freak!

And if you really like Varejao, you will be happy to learn Brooklyn will probably cut Varejao loose after the trade. So, we can re-sign the Brazilian if we want to.

This guy has to be trolling, he cant be for real, can he?

[CavsKSU25]

I think is quite obvious that Minnesota are not going to give Love to Cleveland without Wiggins (Thank GOD - from a prespective of Minnesota)

And Cleveland will not give Wiggins for K.Love in a deal.

Who has the leverage between this 2 teams ? Nobody IMO.
Minnesota has no leverage because Love is in hes final year of contract, and needs to trade him or we can losing him fo nothing.

Cleveland has no leverage because if they dont trade for K.Love, K.Love 'will never go to Cleveland in free agency, because he wants the Lakers, and lets face, if is not the Lakers, he is going to the Knicks or Warriors, Boston, Chicago before Cleveland.
And if you want play the game of free agency with K.Love, you cant either, because you guys cant offer $$$$$$ in FA, when you have Irving, Lebron, Wiggins. Only if you trade for him.

If you beleive you can win tittles right now with Wiggins and Lebron, keep him (Wiggins).

So lets move on, both parts.

Troll alert.

[OhioGuy216]

I think is quite obvious that Minnesota are not going to give Love to Cleveland without Wiggins (Thank GOD - from a prespective of Minnesota)

And Cleveland will not give Wiggins for K.Love in a deal.

Who has the leverage between this 2 teams ? Nobody IMO.
Minnesota has no leverage because Love is in hes final year of contract, and needs to trade him or we can losing him fo nothing.

Cleveland has no leverage because if they dont trade for K.Love, K.Love 'will never go to Cleveland in free agency, because he wants the Lakers, and lets face, if is not the Lakers, he is going to the Knicks or Warriors, Boston, Chicago before Cleveland.
And if you want play the game of free agency with K.Love, you cant either, because you guys cant offer $$$$$$ in FA, when you have Irving, Lebron, Wiggins. Only if you trade for him.

If you beleive you can win tittles right now with Wiggins and Lebron, keep him (Wiggins).

So lets move on, both parts.

Troll alert.

Pot/Kettle

[CavsKSU25]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

But Smart, Olynk and Brooklyn picks are? Waiters is by far the best player out of the group and Cleveland can offer more picks. Look do yourself a favor before you get banned, you're clearly here to troll, you're clearly not welcome here, now kindly gtfo.

[CavsKSU25]

If it is clear to Flip Saunders that we are not getting Wiggins in any deal, and the Cavs cant find a 3rd team, i think Flip or keep Love and try (Like happend with LA Aldridge in Portland) or trade him for any other place, like Boston or the Warriors if they give K.Thompson, Boston package is going to be there all the time, they need a Superstar with urgency.

And Cmon, Benett or T.Thompson + Waiters + some protected picks are not enought at all for K.Love.

I watch Cleveland a few times last season, and they are good players, but nothing more than that. Nothing special.
Boston is a better package by a mile. And they can take 1 or 2 of our bad contracts. Everybody knows that, and you guys know that too.

Here is an issue you keep forgetting. Kevin Love wants to be on a playoff team. Boston is not a playoff team. So if they try to trade him there he could simply tell Boston he is not re-signing long-term and you can forget that deal. GS and CLE are playoff teams Love would play for, so that's why both teams have leverage over Minnesota.

You are forgetting something too, Boston with Love is playoff team and they have a lot of draft picks, and expiring contracts. And by the way, if you think the visit of Kevin Love to Boston was only vacations you are wrong, and why he doesnt want to go to Boston ? the most successful franchise in the NBA. With Danny Ainge.

LOL Boston isn't a playoff team with Love.