The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Gorilla Warfare]

Here are the rest of the leagues "Holiday 2014" uniforms. I really don't think every team will have a Christmas game, so I'm sure it will just be "around Christmas" time games.

[SSOL]

The jersey would have looked better with the S logo

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/489347628422156288[/tweet]
i thought he might get more

Wow, that surpising he'd take that over Charlotte's 5/44 offer. 8.8 million a year for 5 years seems better than 9 million a year for 3. Maybe he feels his value will skyrocket and with the salary cap potentially going way up, in two years he will be a big time player.

If Charlotte can keep him under control, they are going to be pretty tough, especially if Vonleh develops quicky.

[lilfishi22]

They aren't really all that different.

Whatever happened to the jerseys with the player's "nickname" on the back?

[bwgood77]

Guards:
Archie
Bledsoe
Goran
Thomas
Ennis
Green

Forwards:
Tucker
Morris
Morris
Tolliver
Warren

Centers:
Len
Plumlee

That's 13. About half the team is guards. Ryan has got to be up to something. That's obviously not going to work.

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Looks fine to me, especially since Green can play 3. There are not that many quality centers sitting around. Maybe we sign one more vet big for insurance, but I don't know. It would be nice if we could get Okafor if he is back and healthy. There is zero info on him though.

6 for each two spots, 2 for one spot....sometimes we will go smaller too.

8 guards on this WCF team http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1990.html

8 on this very good team including a bunch of point guards...KJ, Negele Knight, Elliott Perry, Frank Johnson, an even a 5th guy I don't remember http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1994.html

9 on this one, and Finley is listed as a SF even though he played some guard in three guard lineups. (some of this is due to a mid season trade though I think) http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1997.html

9 on this one http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1999.html and this one http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2002.html

[Sunsdeuce]

“It’s a great opportunity for me,” Tolliver said by phone. “I went into this free agency and it worked out perfectly when Phoenix contacted my agent. With a great nucleus of young players, and the respect I have for Ryan [McDonough], Jeff Hornacek and the entire organization, it’s a perfect situation. For me, I want to go in there and help any way I can. “The Suns are an up tempo team, and when I was with Golden State I had a similar style. I’m able to produce at a high level and this style compares to that Golden State team. I can play the three as well, but my natural position is four, rebounding, hitting open shots. The Suns made it clear I’m coming to play the four. Phoenix is a great city, a great family city.” RealGM
Phoenix Suns, Free Agency, Anthony Tolliver
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Well there u go.

[Frank Lee]

it does appear that Tolliver shot 40% from 3 last season, but on very limited attempts. What kind of impact can he make from the bench though?

Limited attempts? He shot almost 4 (3.9) a game in 20 minutes! That's hardly limited. Frye shot 5.3 in 28 minutes. They both shot about one every five minutes on the floor.

Facts 1 ..... Ninja 0

Sure is a lot of assumptions about Tolliver. Judgment has been passed by many. The deuce took his daily dump. There are reasons why this guy has been steadily employed in the NBA. He is a professional. Solid citizen. One of the first things he did was to set up a foundation to help impoverished people obtain reasonable housing. A great locker room guy, who has a skill set that fits our needs. He has no upside. but he has no downside. he's a minimum cost, minimum risk acquisition. The b!tching about this signing is completely unwarranted.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Just noticed that it seems like all those new posters from that other site that went down disappeared.

They are back at the phx-suns.net.

Oh, it's back up. Now I'm torn.

... Maybe I should start checking emails.

...... Screw it. I'll stay here. I miss a lot of those guys, but what the hell. Y'all are fun

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Quick question. Suppose we sign Bled to a contract that pays $12m *next* year. Given our current contract situation, will we have cap space next season? I haven't calculated the cap holds, but it seems to me that the answer is yes if we renounce our free agents, no if we don't. Anyone who cares to be provide clarity on this would be appreciated for their efforts.

[Daredevilish]

Tolliver shoots at a similar percentage and rate per game from three as Frye. Now that he's slotting into Frye's role in the pick and pop, I could see his numbers increasing just by playing with Dragic.

Honestly, what we need most (aside from a great center) is a guy who can be credible and quick from long distance while hustling on the court. I believe Tolliver can do that, and he'll slot in just fine.

This year will prove to us whether last year's success was about the system or the specific players. If it was the system, Tolliver will do well. If it was all about the specific players involved, then we need to rethink our system.

But if two big men shoot threes well and are good locker room guys, give me the 29 year old with no heart problems at $3 million over the 31 year old with heart problems at $8 million any day of the week.

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[AtheJ415]

Any specifics been released on the Tolliver deal? Is it front-loaded? Options? Anything non-guaranteed?

[Flying Colors]

Any specifics been released on the Tolliver deal? Is it front-loaded? Options? Anything non-guaranteed?

seems like its just 2 years 3 mil each guaranteed, not much more to it than that

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It looks like we've decided to go smaller. Doesn't seem we'll be very good on the boards, does it?

[AtheJ415]

I feel like it's senseless not to front-load it at least though with the cap space we have. Hopefully McD at least did that.

Any specifics been released on the Tolliver deal? Is it front-loaded? Options? Anything non-guaranteed?

seems like its just 2 years 3 mil each guaranteed, not much more to it than that

[Cash]

Guards:
Archie
Bledsoe
Goran
Thomas
Ennis
Green

Forwards:
Tucker
Morris
Morris
Tolliver
Warren

Centers:
Len
Plumlee

That's 13. About half the team is guards. Ryan has got to be up to something. That's obviously not going to work.

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Looks fine to me, especially since Green can play 3. There are not that many quality centers sitting around. Maybe we sign one more vet big for insurance, but I don't know. It would be nice if we could get Okafor if he is back and healthy. There is zero info on him though.

6 for each two spots, 2 for one spot....sometimes we will go smaller too.

8 guards on this WCF team http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1990.html

8 on this very good team including a bunch of point guards...KJ, Negele Knight, Elliott Perry, Frank Johnson, an even a 5th guy I don't remember http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1994.html

9 on this one, and Finley is listed as a SF even though he played some guard in three guard lineups. (some of this is due to a mid season trade though I think) http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1997.html

9 on this one http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/1999.html and this one http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2002.html

To me, a more meaningful breakdown is points vs. wings vs. bigs, although given that we mostly (now always?) play 2 points at the same time, it's probably more meaningful for this specific team to break it down by points/wings vs. bigs.

Points/wings:
Dragic
Bledsoe
Thomas
Ennis
Green
Goodwin
Tucker
Warren
Marcus Morris?

Bigs:
Marcus Morris?
Markief Morris
Tolliver
Plumlee
Len

On sheer numbers, we're on the lighter end of okay (but still okay) with the Tolliver signing. The bigger worry is quality. If Plumlee takes a small jump from last year and Len takes a supermassive one, then we'll probably be fine. That's a lot to count on, though. And those are our only two players 6'10" or taller. (I know Kieff is listed at 6'10", but he measured at 6'9.25" in shoes at the combine and has "only" a 6'10.75" wingspan.) Tolliver and the Morrii (especially Marcus) are not rim protectors by any means. Plus, if either Plumlee or Len gets hurt, then we're down to 1 player on the roster who can even pretend to be a rim protector. It just doesn't seem set up for success.

I have no problem with the Tolliver signing -- he's clearly paid as a backup 4, and that's cheap money. If he can be 80% as good as Frye, it's a good signing. But he's not going to do anything to help our D or rebounding, and that's what I'm concerned about.

[Sreister]

It looks like we've decided to go smaller. Doesn't seem we'll be very good on the boards, does it?

Smaller doesn't necessarily mean we can't board. From the sounds of it, Tolliver likes to board and hit the 3. We need both of those, but let's hope he's just worth having out there, otherwise it doesn't matter.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It looks like we've decided to go smaller. Doesn't seem we'll be very good on the boards, does it?

Smaller doesn't necessarily mean we can't board. From the sounds of it, Tolliver likes to board and hit the 3. We need both of those, but let's hope he's just worth having out there, otherwise it doesn't matter.

As I said, 2.6 rebounds in 20 MPG. That's another kind of impressive, there. Looks like we're depending on a lot of boards from the 3 spot. Not that Tolliver will see much time anyways.

[Sreister]

It looks like we've decided to go smaller. Doesn't seem we'll be very good on the boards, does it?

Smaller doesn't necessarily mean we can't board. From the sounds of it, Tolliver likes to board and hit the 3. We need both of those, but let's hope he's just worth having out there, otherwise it doesn't matter.

As I said, 2.6 rebounds in 20 MPG. That's another kind of impressive, there. Looks like we're depending on a lot of boards from the 3 spot. Not that Tolliver will see much time anyways.

To be fair, he has been playing out of position. Not saying he's a godsend, but could be a nice surprise like we seem to dig up once in a while. We'll see. Not a game changer by any means.

On a side note, I can't say I'm not disappointed we didn't get anything worthwhile this offseason. I'm ok with what we have, keeping flexibility and all that, but I would have loved to come away with something to make us competitive rather than fighting to make the playoffs..again.

[bigfoot]

Thirteen players signed assuming we re-sign Bledsoe.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Kief/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len

1) McD's plan seems solid. If we can't sign a superstar (Lebron, Bosh, Melo, etc) then stay the course on building a young team and assets. Let these guys develop.

2) Do we pick up the options on Dionte Christmas and Shavlik Randolph? I liked Randolph last year and wouldn't mind keeping him on-board. I think Christmas is over.

3) With the Tollivier signing Alec Brown is headed to Europe.

4) I can see a lot of small ball in the future.

5) Already love TJ Warren's game.

[Saberestar]

The Suns have reached a two-year, $6 million agreement with Tolliver. Each season is worth $3 million but only $400,000 of it is guaranteed for the 2015-2016 season.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12726439/

Good contract.