The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[ShawnBronald]

McD just needs to sit next to Flip and hammer out a Love deal

That sounds kind of dirty.

[ruiner]

McD just needs to sit next to Flip and hammer out a Love deal

That sounds kind of dirty.

Bow chicka wow wow.

[Sunsdeuce]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdiJoseph/status/489486277105168384[/tweet]

I can't tell if he's being serious or sarcastic (or a little of both). Seems like he meant to include an article or something.

Who is that?

[spanishninja]

Not totally off-topic but I was just in the car listening to NBA radio and they were interviewing Hornacek. Great segment. Malik Rose tried to press him on the whole Bledsoe situation but Horny played it cool and didn't say anything concrete. With all the free agent stuff going on I am reminded of how awesome of a coach this team has.

[NaturalBuns]

Suns losing in a playoff summer league game oh no!

[Saberestar]

Suns losing in a playoff summer league game oh no!

We are going to win....we MUST win!

Archie and T.J. to the rescue in the second half, you will see!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Listening to Glen Taylor's segment in summer league, he sounded pretty clear about his desire for Love to stay and try to make things work this season. I think he's in for a rude awakening come February if he tries to trade Love. My guess is they'll keep him through the end of the season and attempt a S&T. They're being stubborn, in my view, because they've been out of the playoffs so long that they don't trust themselves to conduct a successful rebuild.

It's a win-win for us, because it allows us to keep Dragic and make an attempt at Love in free agency, and if the Wolves aren't one of the worst 12 teams in the league, we get their draft pick! How nice would it be to have the #7, #14, and #24 picks in next year's draft? Slow and steady...

[Frank Lee]

Miller and Jones coat-tailing ... Lackeys

[Phystic]

I don't understand the term "max contract." It certainly can't mean the maximum. From what I read, Bosh signed a 5yr/118million "max" contract. Carmelo signed a 5yr/124million contract that was less than the 129 max he could have signed for. I think they came from the same draft, and they both signed with their current teams. What's the deal? Does the "max" number depend on the contract they just finished- as Carmelo is coming off of a max and Bosh is not?

Max contracts vary because it is based off of your previous year's salary. Max essentially means the maximum increases allowed and maximum starting salary he could have been offered.

Melo's isn't a true Max simply because I believe one year he does not get his max % increase to save the Knicks money. What a great guy to shave off 2M offer your 125M deal.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

I think EB's agent is being taken to the cleaner's and his inexperience is really shining. I mean seriously, you think its hard to make contract decisions for LBJ the best basketball player on the planet, but when you've got an injury ridden yet max potential point guard with an ever shrinking market, lets see how good you really are. Grade F-

I don't think he's being taken to the cleaner's. Bledsoe never had much leverage anyways. Sure a team can do what the Mavs did with Parsons (throw the max) but Parsons proved himself for what, 2-3-4 years? Is he worth the max? No. But he's proven to be a solid player and still young and can grow.

Bledsoe has played 43 games with heavy minutes and although he produced, it's a small sample size and injury concern. No team wants to throw out a max to think the Suns will automatically match then find out they're on the hook with a PG with potential injury concerns (think this is in everyones head too much). And the PG market is saturated. There are A LOT of good PG's in the league. Tough to throw $14 million at one when others are signing for $10-$12 million.

I think ultimately, we sign him for $10 million per season on a 4 year deal. Like i said before (if its possible) maybe 2yr max for new tv deal and protection for Suns and potentially positive for Bledsoe, but doubt he risks that.

McD played his cards right so far. The last card still hasn't shown, but the odds are in the Suns favor of getting a damn good deal out Bledsoe.

[Phystic]

From what I just looked at and read, it seems like Bosh should have been able to get the 5 year, $129 million contract that Melo could have gotten.

Where did you see this?

Bosh made $19M last year and Melo made $22.4M last year. So Melo's "max" would infact be higher than Bosh's

[Phystic]

"I felt like they (the Suns) were saving money for other things," Frye said. "They were not close enough to me to take it seriously, which makes sense. It's a business.

"You have to be somewhere you're wanted. I felt like the guys who have been there for years became a side note."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12710595/

Sarver strikes again. Everytime I start giving him the benefit of the doubt, stuff like this is brought to light.


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How in the hell is on Sarver?

Was is with some of you guys blaming Sarver for everything? You do realize he's owner and NOT GM or President , right?

The GM is the one dictating the direction of the roster not Sarver. And in this case, McD was completely right in letting Frye go. He isn't worth that contract, and he certainly isn't worth that contract on our team. Sure it sucks losing a long time Sun and good person in Frye but it's a business and did not make business sense to retain Frye on that contract. He can be bitter but that doesn't mean the Suns were wrong and it certainly doesn't mean Sarver did anything wrong.

[SILERtheDEFILER]

**** frye and his bitchmade defense

[bwgood77]

From what I just looked at and read, it seems like Bosh should have been able to get the 5 year, $129 million contract that Melo could have gotten.

Where did you see this?

Bosh made $19M last year and Melo made $22.4M last year. So Melo's "max" would infact be higher than Bosh's

Well I typed it all out with sources in the post you just quoted...but again

Someone who has been in the league over 10 years is eligible for 35% of the salary cap, and then signing with the home team allows 5 years and 7.5% raises, which, if you work it out, it comes out to a little less than $129 million.

I had thought that the reason some maxes were lower was because you can only start out at 105% of your previous salary, but in Coon's explanation he says

A free agent's maximum salary in the first year of a new contract is never less than 105% of his salary in the last year of his previous contract

It doesn't say that it can't be more.

Obviously there is a reason it is lower, and it may be that Coon wrote the explanation wrong, because I had always thought that you could only make 105% of your previous salary (though this doesn't make total sense when you jump into a new max bracket). For example, obviously Dragic can get more than a 105% raise next year. You would think he could go up to the full 30% max being in the 7-9 year bracket max regardless of what he made the previous year.

So you would think Bosh could make the full 35% of the max, or staring salary of $20,644,400. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16 (Please read this and look at the charts before responding).

[NoKneeBledsoe]

My first post is going to let me get to know you guys by your responses

-why do you want love when he will not resign next year?
-what's all this love for a stretch 4

Frye is not good and out stretch 4 mentality has gotten us nowhere

We need bangers inside and we will succeed. Not a soft front court!

[Phystic]

Regardless, Melo's max is higher than Bosh's simply because of his previous year's salary. And that's my point. Bosh signed a smaller contract previously which affects this contract.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Another question?

Why didn't we sign Stephenson and let Bledsoe walk?

[tgtm_24]

Another question?

Why didn't we sign Stephenson and let Bledsoe walk?

Because he's a whack job.

People severely underestimate team chemistry in basketball.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

A wack job who has heart and hustle! Or a PG who averages half a season a year games player and doesn't seem like he wants to be on the suns!

I'd take

Dragic
Stephenson

Anyday

[harshey1388]

Another question?

Why didn't we sign Stephenson and let Bledsoe walk?

Because he's a whack job.

People severely underestimate team chemistry in basketball.

48 wins last year isn't possible without the chemistry on this team.